Oct 4 is "bring your Bible to school day"

[whitehall]

What's that all about? Is it some anarchist movement?

 

[emilynghiem]

Well, if LGBT beliefs, expressions, practices and teachings should be allowed in schools
why not Christian beliefs, expressions, practices and teachings?

Isn't tolerance and inclusion for everyone?

 

[whitehall]

While progressive U.S. teachers promote "tolerance" by engaging kids in studies about the Koran and (forced?) role playing with burqa days for girls there is no tolerance for Christian kids who can get kicked out of school for carrying a Bible. There is no Constitutional "separation of church and state". It's an invention of FDR's Supreme Court with the majority opinion written the former KKK member, appointed by FDR, Justice Black

 

[emilynghiem]

While progressive U.S. teachers promote "tolerance" by engaging kids in studies about the Koran and (forced?) role playing with burqa days for girls there is no tolerance for Christian kids who can get kicked out of school for carrying a Bible. There is no Constitutional "separation of church and state". It's an invention of FDR's Supreme Court with the majority opinion written the former KKK member, appointed by FDR, Justice Black

Yes, whitehall there is this bias going on.
So now that liberals WANT LGBT included in schools and public institutions,
now is the time to make that argument this is why Christian expression and culture should also be allowed.

We use that motivation in order to argue for Christian inclusion as well.
Not rejection of both by the other, but equal inclusion of both based on agreement to include the other.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Well, if LGBT beliefs, expressions, practices and teachings should be allowed in schools
why not Christian beliefs, expressions, practices and teachings?

Isn't tolerance and inclusion for everyone?

False comparison fallacy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What's that all about? Is it some anarchist movement?

Perhaps it will help ignorant conservatives understand that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment applies only to government, not private persons, where private persons have always been at liberty to engage in religious expression in public schools.

 

[emilynghiem]

Well, if LGBT beliefs, expressions, practices and teachings should be allowed in schools
why not Christian beliefs, expressions, practices and teachings?

Isn't tolerance and inclusion for everyone?

False comparison fallacy.

Dear C_Clayton_Jones
Aren't there both FAITH BASED BELIEFS
for and against LGBT and Christian practices?

If you are making a distinction between TRADITIONAL religious "beliefs"
and secular or personal "beliefs" about LGBT being natural or unnatural etc.,
that's fine to call these different.

But if you defend your secular LGBT beliefs MORE than religious beliefs,
isn't that discriminating by creed?

Are you really opposing one while favoring the other
because of the TYPE of beliefs?

Are you doing do because of the CONTENT?
ie whether you agree with the belief or not?

I might believe you if you treated beliefs equally
that you agree with vs. disagreed with.

I don't agree with either party pushing their beliefs on others or the nation;
but I defend their free exercise of their beliefs respectively within their own realm.

Do you? C_Clayton_Jones?

 

[BlackFlag]

What's that all about? Is it some anarchist movement?

That’s fine, but other kids bring in Cinderella, Robin Hood, Beauty and the Beast, etc. whenever they want. It doesn’t have to just be October 4.

 

[BlackFlag]

Christians are the most powerful bloc in the nation, with everything taught in our schools being derived entirely from thousands of years of Christian history; but republicans cry like little bitches with their victim complexes. Just really pathetic.

 

[emilynghiem]

What's that all about? Is it some anarchist movement?

Perhaps it will help ignorant conservatives understand that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment applies only to government, not private persons, where private persons have always been at liberty to engage in religious expression in public schools.

Dear C_Clayton_Jones
Yes and no
1. protection of the laws also applies to all public institutions
Do you consider political parties to act as public institutions?
If their candidates receive govt money for elections?
What about Party Leaders who take office, and then abuse that office
to push their PARTY agenda. Is that the party imposing its influence
and programs THROUGH govt officials and offices or agencies/govt departments?

Is it okay for political parties to push their beliefs through govt
in ways that religious organizations are barred by the First Amendment?
You are correct, that the wrong lies with the actual govt official or office.

But what about CONSPIRING to VIOLATE equal civil rights?
Isn't the PARTY that is funding govt officials and process
responsible for abuses of govt to impose BELIEFS, whether religious or political?

You would be right to argue that by law, there is no precedent set for
the First Amendment applying to "political beliefs"

Isn't this discriminatory though. To only apply it to ATHEISTS or other
secular/liberal beliefs that aren't considered religious when it comes to
defending the free exercise, and not establishing the "religious" type beliefs;
but not the opposite. Not prohibiting the imposition and establishment of
SECULAR anti-religious beliefs, which are then allowed because these are not
considered "religious" in nature, although they are still BELIEFS.

2. you are wrong about religious expression in public schools.
Sure, the law is based RULINGS that stated that INDIVIDUALS
may express their beliefs and practices while barring SCHOOL
administrators or staff from instigating group prayers, etc.
But this came about because of lawsuits that are still going on
challenging school policies that include religious references.

Examples C_Clayton_Jones
1. Cheerleaders had to sue to defend their right to include
Scriptural references on school banners. If they already
had these rights respected, CCJ, they wouldn't have to SUE to defend them
2. A school was challenged by an organization outside their district
for including a CROSS symbol on a memorial for a teacher on public school property.

Are you including these cases in your assertion that
no exclusion or rejection of Christian practices has ever gone on in public schools?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Well, if LGBT beliefs, expressions, practices and teachings should be allowed in schools
why not Christian beliefs, expressions, practices and teachings?

Isn't tolerance and inclusion for everyone?

False comparison fallacy.

is this a red herring fallacy?....

 

[whitehall]

Around the late 40's the U.S. liberal establishment became concerned about the proliferation of Catholic schools and looked for a way to stop it. A former KKK member, Justice Hugo Black who was appointed to the Supreme Court by FDR grew up hating Catholics and he wrote the majority opinion that created the separation of church and state which had no Constitutional basis. Through the years the concept was expanded to intimidate local governments from placing Christmas trees on public property and demolishing a Korean War memorial because a single person claimed to be offended by the 40 ft Cross.