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First why don't you try and correct my claims as you seem to pretend you can do instead of trying to change the subject? its called dodging and you are doing it plain as day....
You insinuated it was incorrect, now show me that..... Can't can you... The ocean acidification from CO2 absorption effecting the PH balance is the theory they are claiming. You disagree or want to correct that be my guest. Why not ask them about their hypothesis?
Second your little chemistry quiz is irrelevant to the point and claims. If you want to have a chemistry quiz than create chemistry thread, and I will call my nephew hes a chemistry geek. But if you want to make a broad accusation about my explanation being wrong or claims being inaccurate, then have the decency to back up that claim rather than be a douchebag and try to change the subject to save your azz.....
What the fuck? I asked you for clarification and to expound on what you stated.
That's what educated individuals do. They don't go into a kung fu stance. I don't claim to be an expert on the chemistry of the ocean. I was under the impression you were. Obviously, by your response, you are just regurgitating information someone else collected and have no real idea how to justify it (scientifically). I don't need to hear from your nephew. I am sure if I dig hard enough, I can get the answers from people with Ph.D.'s in the matter.
Still refusing to show my error? Atypical internet douchebag..... You talk shit and and when confronted on it you divert and then confound.....
Classic... Then we can assume two things here; one you are a douchebag, and two you cannot show that I am incorrect despite your BS...
How much you want to bet that gslack comes back with someone's blog or bogus website and claim that is evidence and peer reviewed science?
I do not mind blogs or websites, if they contain links to their sources of information. When they do not, or link to political sites, like the Heritage Foundation, then you know they are completely bogus and without merit.
Plus, the actual articles show he's talking out his ass. He claims CO2 alone can't change pH, yet my link explains why that's simply not true. He claims CO2 was 20X during cambrian, which is true, but conveniently ignores that O2 levels were also very very high, which would play a role in having that many levels, plus the very fact that the earth was very warm during that time with no polar ice caps, which to me supports global warming. We can't afford now to have the ice caps melt and raise ocean temps.
Plus, the actual articles show he's talking out his ass. He claims CO2 alone can't change pH, yet my link explains why that's simply not true. He claims CO2 was 20X during cambrian, which is true, but conveniently ignores that O2 levels were also very very high, which would play a role in having that many levels, plus the very fact that the earth was very warm during that time with no polar ice caps, which to me supports global warming. We can't afford now to have the ice caps melt and raise ocean temps.
I only consider chemistry in the physiological context now (unfortunately, I really loved chemistry as an undergrad), but I live and die by this basic chemical equation that sums up respiratory and metabolic acidosis and alkalosis:
H20 + CO2 <=> H+ + HCO3-
If you think about it in context of La Chatlier's principle (i.e. holding your breath would increase CO2 and drive equilibrium towards the product side and cause a respiratory acidosis while hyperventilation would pull the equilibrium to the left and cause a respiratory alkalosis, which is why people breath into backs when they are hyperventilating, they are trying to raise their blood CO2 concentration and restore equilibrium) and you know the lab values, you can figure out any pathology behind those issues.
Not at all germane to the topic, but I thought I'd at least introduce something educational considering the crap that has been tossed about on here as "science".
So either the oceans didn't turn acidic and kill them with 20 times the amount of CO2 in the air, or CO2 has no real measurable impact on PH to the extent if effecting the oceans like they claim. Either way its insane....
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This is an example of "false choice" and a reason why taking examples from millions of years ago, isn't always the logical thing to do. The corals of the past evolved during a time of high CO2 and therefore would be able to tolerate lower pH levels. Modern corals evolved during a time of lower CO2 and don't seem to tolerate an acidic environment as well. You can't use the past as a template for the future, if underlying conditions have changed.
LOL and this is an example of dancing even after the music has stopped.....
Well if I can't use the past as a a template than neither can your side if we use your own logic....
Perhaps our modern planet has evolved and adapted to absorb more CO2? Perhaps the entire theory of GHG's and their effects are overstated? Perhaps the CO2 millions of years ago was actually a bunch of magic beans which grew into killer spores that killed all the dinosaurs?
Freaking asinine argument man... Seriously, the very word calcite should have been a clue... Clacite and aragonite are both forms of calcium carbonite. Ca CO3 ...
Here is some info on them...
ARAGONITE (Calcium Carbonate)
Aragonite is technically unstable at normal surface temperatures and pressures. It is stable at higher pressures, but not at higher temperatures such that in order to keep aragonite stable with increasing temperature, the pressure must also increase. If aragonite is heated to 400 degrees C, it will spontaneously convert to calcite if the pressure is not also increased. Since calcite is the more stable mineral, why does aragonite even form? Well under certain conditions of formation, the crystallization of calcite is somehow discouraged and aragonite will form instead. The magnesium and salt content of the crystallizing fluid, the turbidity of the fluid and the time of crystallization are decidedly important factors, but there are perhaps others. Such areas as sabkhas and oolitic shoals tend to allow significant amounts of aragonite to form. Also metamorphism that includes high pressures and low temperatures (relatively) can form aragonite. After burial, given enough time, the aragonite will almost certainly alter to calcite. Sedimentologists are very interested in aragonite and calcite stability fields because the conversion of aragonite to calcite after deposition has a distinct effect on the character of the sedimentary rocks.
Calcite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Calcite, like most carbonates, will dissolve with most forms of acid. Calcite can be either dissolved by groundwater or precipitated by groundwater, depending on several factors including the water temperature, pH, and dissolved ion concentrations. Although calcite is fairly insoluble in cold water, acidity can cause dissolution of calcite and release of carbon dioxide gas.
LOL I love that last part especially..... lets repeat that oh so embarrassing bit of science shall we? LOL
Calcite, like most carbonates, will dissolve with most forms of acid. Calcite can be either dissolved by groundwater or precipitated by groundwater, depending on several factors including the water temperature, pH, and dissolved ion concentrations. Although calcite is fairly insoluble in cold water, acidity can cause dissolution of calcite and release of carbon dioxide gas.
Dam that was a severe smackdown now wasn't it.......
SOOOOO, calcite is especially susceptible to acidity and PH factors? LOL so the whole claim you just made about them evolving in such conditions and resistant to CO2 induced acidification is one more example of BS posing as science..... Wow what an embarrassment...
Your not driving the bus warmers. Just sit back and enjoy the ride on this globe. You want to help? Reduce, recycle and stop flying around the planet to environment conferences.
Anthropogenic Global Warming or Climate Change has never existed. The truth of that is just now penetrating the mind numbed masses to these sirens of pseudo-science who beach men on the rocky shoals of their 'facts' only to finally drown in stupidity.Hmm, so global warming is officially dead?
HAHAHAHAHA! I just read this and my god is it pathetic......
The 4 of you all hold hands, and chant to gaia while you try and save your azzes from embarrassment?
I find more than a little bit funny that the 4 of you come together just after the idiot showed his ignorance. Oh and I loved the show too... LOL priceless!
"i just love chemistry, especially this one ImAdUmAz3. its the sum of all our IQ's to the tenth."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Pathetic show boys.... Now want to do us a rendition of Hamlet?
You complained we didn't address anything, then when we did, this is your response. And you wonder why I wasn't even going to bother addressing our unsubstantiated bullshit, cause you are just another dumbfuck acting like a troll. Go back to elementary school kid
The above shows categorically and undeniably that despite 20x the amount of CO2 coral life forms formed and flourished. Which blows the entire claim that CO2 will cause the oceans to turn acidic.
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We trooped in to correct your mistakes. The above conclusion was shown to be illogical yesterday, yet you're repeating it today. The corals of the past flourished in high CO2 because they evolved in that environment. You can't make the same statement about today's corals. I'm not sure if you should go back to elementary school or sign up for Alzheimer's treatment!
HAHAHAHAHA! I just read this and my god is it pathetic......
The 4 of you all hold hands, and chant to gaia while you try and save your azzes from embarrassment?
I find more than a little bit funny that the 4 of you come together just after the idiot showed his ignorance. Oh and I loved the show too... LOL priceless!
"i just love chemistry, especially this one ImAdUmAz3. its the sum of all our IQ's to the tenth."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Pathetic show boys.... Now want to do us a rendition of Hamlet?
The above shows categorically and undeniably that despite 20x the amount of CO2 coral life forms formed and flourished. Which blows the entire claim that CO2 will cause the oceans to turn acidic.
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We trooped in to correct your mistakes. The above conclusion was shown to be illogical yesterday, yet you're repeating it today. The corals of the past flourished in high CO2 because they evolved in that environment. You can't make the same statement about today's corals. I'm not sure if you should go back to elementary school or sign up for Alzheimer's treatment!
So either the oceans didn't turn acidic and kill them with 20 times the amount of CO2 in the air, or CO2 has no real measurable impact on PH to the extent if effecting the oceans like they claim. Either way its insane....
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This is an example of "false choice" and a reason why taking examples from millions of years ago, isn't always the logical thing to do. The corals of the past evolved during a time of high CO2 and therefore would be able to tolerate lower pH levels. Modern corals evolved during a time of lower CO2 and don't seem to tolerate an acidic environment as well. You can't use the past as a template for the future, if underlying conditions have changed.
LOL and this is an example of dancing even after the music has stopped.....
Well if I can't use the past as a a template than neither can your side if we use your own logic....
Perhaps our modern planet has evolved and adapted to absorb more CO2? Perhaps the entire theory of GHG's and their effects are overstated? Perhaps the CO2 millions of years ago was actually a bunch of magic beans which grew into killer spores that killed all the dinosaurs?
Freaking asinine argument man... Seriously, the very word calcite should have been a clue... Clacite and aragonite are both forms of calcium carbonite. Ca CO3 ...
Here is some info on them...
ARAGONITE (Calcium Carbonate)
Aragonite is technically unstable at normal surface temperatures and pressures. It is stable at higher pressures, but not at higher temperatures such that in order to keep aragonite stable with increasing temperature, the pressure must also increase. If aragonite is heated to 400 degrees C, it will spontaneously convert to calcite if the pressure is not also increased. Since calcite is the more stable mineral, why does aragonite even form? Well under certain conditions of formation, the crystallization of calcite is somehow discouraged and aragonite will form instead. The magnesium and salt content of the crystallizing fluid, the turbidity of the fluid and the time of crystallization are decidedly important factors, but there are perhaps others. Such areas as sabkhas and oolitic shoals tend to allow significant amounts of aragonite to form. Also metamorphism that includes high pressures and low temperatures (relatively) can form aragonite. After burial, given enough time, the aragonite will almost certainly alter to calcite. Sedimentologists are very interested in aragonite and calcite stability fields because the conversion of aragonite to calcite after deposition has a distinct effect on the character of the sedimentary rocks.
Calcite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Calcite, like most carbonates, will dissolve with most forms of acid. Calcite can be either dissolved by groundwater or precipitated by groundwater, depending on several factors including the water temperature, pH, and dissolved ion concentrations. Although calcite is fairly insoluble in cold water, acidity can cause dissolution of calcite and release of carbon dioxide gas.
LOL I love that last part especially..... lets repeat that oh so embarrassing bit of science shall we? LOL
Calcite, like most carbonates, will dissolve with most forms of acid. Calcite can be either dissolved by groundwater or precipitated by groundwater, depending on several factors including the water temperature, pH, and dissolved ion concentrations. Although calcite is fairly insoluble in cold water, acidity can cause dissolution of calcite and release of carbon dioxide gas.
Dam that was a severe smackdown now wasn't it.......
SOOOOO, calcite is especially susceptible to acidity and PH factors? LOL so the whole claim you just made about them evolving in such conditions and resistant to CO2 induced acidification is one more example of BS posing as science..... Wow what an embarrassment...
