Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

[Dragon]

[snip mouth-foaming rant]

You have just proven that you have absolutely no clue what this movement is about, which is not surprising. I think that none of you on the right have a clue about it.

This movement is happening because people are suffering, and they have identified the ability of big business to pull the strings of government as the cause of their suffering. What they want to do is to cut those strings so that government can then act in the interests of the people, not the corporate interests, and reverse the transfer of wealth from the 99% to the 1% that's been going on for thirty years.

None of that requires a full-on socialist economy, although it most certainly does require government policies that are labor-friendly rather than capital-friendly, and a willingness on the part of government to regulate the banking industry, protect the environment, and support the rights of working people. If you consider that "socialism," well, there's just no talking to you I suppose until you regain some perspective and coherence.

 

[Dragon]

We haven't had a TRUE progressive running for president since Bobby Kennedy was shot.

True that, although Obama played one on TV and that's how he got elected.

 

[Barb]

The Tea party movement is a populist movement, whether you agree with them or not.

The people out in that park by wall street are mostly the fringe of your side of the political aisle, just like most of the tea party is the fringe of ours.

Taking the position that the only reasons someone opposes your ideas is that they are a "schill" or "sheeple" shows an inability to consider than someone of an opposite opinion has them for genuine reasons. This is typical of the hard left viewpoint, where in thier opinion, THIER viewpoint is the ONLY viewpoint.

Sweetness, I didn't say that all the tea party people were anything you suggested I said. I stated that the whole movement had its genesis in politically corporate interests, and it did.

No, it didn't. That's just what you've been told by the media. That does not make it true. The TEA Parties started under Bush and had jack shit to do with 'politically corporate interests'. This one, however, has Van Jones and the Tides Foundation pulling its strings. It's left wing astro-turf.

The only thing the media told me is some bullshit that this protest is the left bookend to the tea party. The CORPORATE led media claim they BOTH are "EXTREMIST fringe."

 

[Uncensored2008]

there is no Koch brothers funding this movement

Soros is no doubt shoveling plenty of cash, though.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

SEIU and Obama are behind the Occupy Wall Street Movement

Oh, for fuck sake. Obama is a corporate apologist (or we would have had government health care, instead of the GIFT to HMOs we have now), as are many if not most of our democrats at the highest levels of state governance (GHASP! We can't raise taxes on the RICH!). Clinton was too. I seriously thing the whole impeachment thing was a ploy to take progressive pressure AWAY from Clinton for the dumb assed things he agreed to.

We haven't had a TRUE progressive running for president since Bobby Kennedy was shot.

I said it before, Progressive ideology is so dangerous to civilization that the only place it should exist is in a Level IV Biocontainment facility next to the other slate-cleaners

 

[California Girl]

Sweetness, I didn't say that all the tea party people were anything you suggested I said. I stated that the whole movement had its genesis in politically corporate interests, and it did.

No, it didn't. That's just what you've been told by the media. That does not make it true. The TEA Parties started under Bush and had jack shit to do with 'politically corporate interests'. This one, however, has Van Jones and the Tides Foundation pulling its strings. It's left wing astro-turf.

The only thing the media told me is some bullshit that this protest is the left bookend to the tea party. The CORPORATE led media claim they BOTH are "EXTREMIST fringe."

The media are bullshitting you. They were about the TEAs and they are about this one. I support the right of both to protest. I do not support the right of the current protest to attempt to hold the country to ransom. Their 'issues' are ridiculous. They are protesting one side of a corrupt coin and letting the other side off the hook. If people want to protest, they should protest the government, not business.

 

[Dragon]

They are protesting one side of a corrupt coin and letting the other side off the hook. If people want to protest, they should protest the government, not business.

http://occupydc.org/

Is that better?

 

[Barb]

We haven't had a TRUE progressive running for president since Bobby Kennedy was shot.

True that, although Obama played one on TV and that's how he got elected.

I must spread some rep around before giving it to you again. That said, I do believe that holding our party's collective feet to the flames over this type of shit would go a LONG way towards making them live up to the brand (instead of running away from the libel) of liberal social progress and fiduciary responsibility TRUE liberalism used to be known for.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sweetness, I didn't say that all the tea party people were anything you suggested I said. I stated that the whole movement had its genesis in politically corporate interests, and it did.

Why are you Marxists such fucking liars?

Seriously?

The TEA party movement started as opposition to the Bush-McCain amnesty plan in 2006. It gained traction when trillions were stolen to bail out crooks at Goldman Sachs and other well connected looters in 2008 and through the term of Dear Leader.

The Tea party is OPPOSED to the merger of corporations like Kaiser and Blue Cross with the federal government via Obama's fascist care law.

Fucking Marxists, stupid and dishonest to the bone...

 

[Dragon]

Why are you Marxists such fucking liars?

You know, you might get a little more respect if you stopped hyperventilating. Just a suggestion.

I agree that there are misconceptions (not "lies") on the left (not among "Marxists" -- you really need to learn to use words to mean what they mean) about the origins of the Tea Party. The extent to which it is a real grass-roots movement, however much it has been co-opted by the powers that be since its inception, are seldom understood or recognized.

Now, I suggest that you take a quick look at your own attitudes towards OWS and see how they parallel those you are so angry about.

Self-awareness can be a good thing.

 

[California Girl]

Why are you Marxists such fucking liars?

You know, you might get a little more respect if you stopped hyperventilating. Just a suggestion.

I agree that there are misconceptions (not "lies") on the left (not among "Marxists" -- you really need to learn to use words to mean what they mean) about the origins of the Tea Party. The extent to which it is a real grass-roots movement, however much it has been co-opted by the powers that be since its inception, are seldom understood or recognized.

Now, I suggest that you take a quick look at your own attitudes towards OWS and see how they parallel those you are so angry about.

Self-awareness can be a good thing.

The issue that some of us have with OWS is that it is the brain burp of Watermelon Man. I dislike the manipulation of decent people who have genuine, if misguided, issues.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I posted no demands. Neither has OWS.

You're such a fucking liar.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/stock...-street-the-movement-grows-2.html#post4225689

If you're referring to the list of grievances, all of them could be rectified without doing away with capitalism.

Right, because giving houses and property to people who have no claim to them, do not pay for them, did not build them and have no title to them - IE your first demand, is purely capitalist in that whole VI Lenin capitalism school way.

ROFL

DUDE, you're a fucking Marxist promoting a Bolshevik protest. Do you REALLY think you're fooling anyone?

As for how much support the movement has, keep watching. This is only the beginning. The Tea Party was a tempest in a (no pun intended) teapot by comparison. THIS is the real storm.

Yeah, 99% of the country are Marxists...

Sure.

 

[Barb]

No, it didn't. That's just what you've been told by the media. That does not make it true. The TEA Parties started under Bush and had jack shit to do with 'politically corporate interests'. This one, however, has Van Jones and the Tides Foundation pulling its strings. It's left wing astro-turf.

The only thing the media told me is some bullshit that this protest is the left bookend to the tea party. The CORPORATE led media claim they BOTH are "EXTREMIST fringe."

The media are bullshitting you. They were about the TEAs and they are about this one. I support the right of both to protest. I do not support the right of the current protest to attempt to hold the country to ransom. Their 'issues' are ridiculous. They are protesting one side of a corrupt coin and letting the other side off the hook. If people want to protest, they should protest the government, not business.

Sweetheart, business bought government some time ago. The finance industries held us ALL for ransom right before the last election. We paid, under Bush, with the full support of Obama and the Democrats (although to be fair, our side wanted stipulations we didn't get). The "issues" are FAR from ridiculous. They want corporations to pay their fair share of use of our commons. They benefit more than most, they should pay proportionately. As it is, they pay precious little, and each and every one of us make up the difference FOR them. Unless you are one of the top 1%, that means YOU are picking up their tab as well. Its bad enough to be a sucker, its a damned sight more pathetic to be a WILLING sucker. At least with a sorority the degradation is paid off with full membership. Unless you are already as rich and powerful as the 1%, you're punking yourself. Good luck with that. Maybe they'll throw you a bone.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

People as bitter and resentful as the OWS supporters should be discouraged from ever having children or pets

 

[Katzndogz]

The protesters are mostly anarchists who think everything should be free and no one needs to work.

 

[Oldstyle]

Why am I TOTALLY reminded of my own posts about the teaparty right now?


This is what the media does to the teaparties and is now doing to the wallstreet protestors, lie about them then demonized based on the lies.

The media IS owned by rich corporate bosses, and of course they will marginalize the protestors by comparing them to the tea partiers. Meanwhile, one is grass roots, and the first was astro turf. I'm sorry, but I don't see the two as equivalent. The media is trying its damndest to tie them together, as "fringe," but is isn't so. The 99% IS 99%, and we're ALL collectively paying the freight on those who have been and would continue to be free riders at every one else's expense.

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you declare that you are the "99%"? I'm sorry but you're NOT. If you'd like to give an accurate accounting of how many people Occupy Wall Street represents then I might pay attention. I guess saying "We are the 18%!" just didn't have a great ring to it...huh?

 

[Mad Scientist]

I'm glad to see the OWS movement growing and that people are waking up to the fact that Bankers, not "We the People" run the country.

The problem I have is that apparently some of them want Obama installed as Dictator (Which I'd argue, Obama is already one) That's like wanting to kill Caesar then install Hitler. How would that change anything?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Why am I TOTALLY reminded of my own posts about the teaparty right now?


This is what the media does to the teaparties and is now doing to the wallstreet protestors, lie about them then demonized based on the lies.

The media IS owned by rich corporate bosses, and of course they will marginalize the protestors by comparing them to the tea partiers. Meanwhile, one is grass roots, and the first was astro turf. I'm sorry, but I don't see the two as equivalent. The media is trying its damndest to tie them together, as "fringe," but is isn't so. The 99% IS 99%, and we're ALL collectively paying the freight on those who have been and would continue to be free riders at every one else's expense.

LOL who funded the teapartiers? LOL where is my check!

See your repeating the lie that the teaparties are astroturf.

I guess then wall street is astroturf too since big orgs are paying for food for these guys and other items so they can stay and protest

 

[Truthmatters]

I'm glad to see the OWS movement growing and that people are waking up to the fact that Bankers, not "We the People" run the country.

The problem I have is that apparently some of them want Obama installed as Dictator (Which I'd argue, Obama is already one) That's like wanting to kill Caesar then install Hitler. How would that change anything?

drop off the rest of your shackles.

they are pitting you and me against each other on purpose.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

There is no Koch brothers funing this one

How come our local boston tea party chapter has never received a check?

Hollywood elites are funding the wall-streeters, those rich elite's and their little sheeple protestors. <----it feels dirty to do that, i'm surprised you don't feel dirty repeating the lies about the teaparty as you always do.