Occupy Phoenix Asks: When Should You Shoot a Cop?

[The T]

A small piece of input as a former cop: I'd say 90% of cops are fairly disgruntled with the city/county government they work for, as most folks are about their own jobs. Most cops think a lot of laws are simpy stupid and dont enforce them.

So if anyone is worried that a "Police State" will evolve where local cops are beating down your door to take your guns or money or gold.......or whatever "police state" ideals one has, I think there is 0% chance of that. Cops have DESCRETION. They MUST disobey an order if it is unlawful. Further, they can simply CHOOSE not to enforce a law they feel is petty or improper for the situation. This ability to make the individual choice is the biggest difference between domestic cops and our military, or to a foreign "police" which is basically that nation's military. Cops dont go to jail for disobeying orders. They probably wont even get fired. They can quit any day they want with no consequence other than not getting paid anymore.

So.....it's fair to say, with our law enforcement arrangement, the only laws that will be truly enforced are ones that 95% of cops agree are good. And try getting 95% of cops to agree on anything.....good luck! The ONLY way a true police state would happen here is if martial law were declared, and it was the military as they have the option of jailing their people who don't obey orders. And even then.....I believe the majority of the military would disobey a tyrannical order on their own people.

WHich is why some radical lefties want a UN force of foreign troops to be the globes only ruling force.


But a Stalin-like police state being implemented with our current local cops? No chance. They'd never do it. They already CHOOSE not to enforce dumbass petty laws that mayors and governors pass on a daily basis. A law is nothing but ink on paper without people to enforce it.

As a matter of course they wouldn't enforce it as THEY are citizens as the Posse Commtatus ACT has prohibited Military from turning on citizens...by force.

I Think if it came to it? They'd turn on Governmnemnt itself.

100% right. I know for fact most cops think their host government (being just the politicians of that city or county) is mostly out of touch morons. They do the job anyway, and try to ignore the political BS day to day.

But in the end, if City Hall or the State gov'ts issued a tyrannical law or order, the cops would say "Screw that" and either quit or just refuse to do it. I mean what would the mayors do, "Call the cops" on the cops?

The United States is BLESSED beyond belief with two things: A police force, and a military.....whose morals are such that neither could fathom turning on it's own people. Thats what seperates us from the rest of the world.

Entirely true. Most cops *I* know and work with would turn in thier badges if given an unlawful order.

THEY are Citizens as well.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Willow, while these kinds of things are not to be condoned, perhaps its best in this case to see whats going on here.

Navy,

Unless these pamphlets specifically encourage the assassination of police and provide specific advice on how to go about it, they are perfectly legitimate informational brochures and as such are protected by Amendment One.

Cops are not sacred cows. Cops have been known to commit every type of criminal offense from larceny and extortion to forcible rape, child molestation, murder and (frequent examples of) aggravated assault. Therefore there clearly are circumstances under which it would be perfectly justifiable to use lethal force against a cop whose behavior manifests an unlawfully lethal threat.

Straight out of the anarchists hand book. Blame the cops just because radicals do not like authority. BOO HOO! Arrest them all.

 

[Intense]

Unfortunately, the media and Hollywood have painted a picture of cops that is less than flattering. And most people are morons enough to believe it's reality.

There's all kinds of People, and good and bad in every group. I've seen both the best and the worst. The Worst eventually get dealt with. The trick is in accomplishing that before serious damage is done. That's not always the easy thing to do. When I see a Badge, I respect it and who's behind it. It is only reasonable.

 

[Salt Jones]

My money is on JT Ready and his Nazi friends, who came armed with AR-15s to join the occupy protests. Ready and friends are buddies of Sheriff Joe and Russell Pearce.

 

[bucs90]

Willow, while these kinds of things are not to be condoned, perhaps its best in this case to see whats going on here.

Navy,

Unless these pamphlets specifically encourage the assassination of police and provide specific advice on how to go about it, they are perfectly legitimate informational brochures and as such are protected by Amendment One.

Cops are not sacred cows. Cops have been known to commit every type of criminal offense from larceny and extortion to forcible rape, child molestation, murder and (frequent examples of) aggravated assault. Therefore there clearly are circumstances under which it would be perfectly justifiable to use lethal force against a cop whose behavior manifests an unlawfully lethal threat.

Straight out of the anarchists hand book. Blame the cops just because radicals do not like authority. BOO HOO! Arrest them all.

Its so comical it's sad.

They hate cops, but then, demand "laws against X, and a law against Y, and a law stating X must be done".

They do know all their "demands" for laws can only be enforced....by men with guns?

 

[MikeK]

Back to the issue? The pamphlets did not provide context and implied that street protestors were wrong for not targeting cops. I would shot a cop if he was in violation of the law and a direct threat to my life or my families life. However if I CHOSE to riot those conditions would NOT apply.

What do you mean by "riot?" What specific behaviors would you be manifesting if you were participating in a riot?

Do you believe the protesters we saw being constrained by the use of tear gas, flash bang grenades and, in at least one example, potentially lethal force were in fact rioting?

I consider the actions that occurred in Brooklyn's Bedford-Stuyvestant section in the 1960s, the actions that took place in Watts, and in L.A. subsequent to the Rodney King police acquittal, and the actions in Seattle during the WTO meeting as riots. I haven't seen any riots in any of the OWS protests. Just demonstrations.

 

[AmericanFirst]

My money is on JT Ready and his Nazi friends, who came armed with AR-15s to join the occupy protests. Ready and friends are buddies of Sheriff Joe and Russell Pearce.

How do you feel about obamaturd being friends with a known socialist then? I thought so.

 

[MikeK]

[Its so comical it's sad.

They hate cops, but then, demand "laws against X, and a law against Y, and a law stating X must be done".

They do know all their "demands" for laws can only be enforced....by men with guns?

I don't hate cops. Nor do I love cops -- or worship authority, which happens to be an increasing problem in the U.S.

I regard cops as a necessary evil. Like trained attack dogs our police should treated with appropriate respect and they must be well cared for. But they must be very well trained and their behavior should be carefully constrained.

 

[ClosedCaption]

All those evil nations or regimes they listed (Pol Pot, Stalin, etc).............do the OWS people not realize that those nations followed THE SAME ideology that 95% of OWS folks are cheering for to come here? Big gov't control, resource redistribution, etc, etc?????

Dumbasses never fail to remind me how dumb they are.

Link?

Link to what? That Stalin was a communist? The left wingers want the same ideals that Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, etc, all advocated to become reality here? Redistribution of resources? That can ONLY be done by force. As Stalin and Lenin showed us.

Link to the 95% of OWS Stalin and Lenin ideas here. Got that link?

 

[Ravi]

My, my. Moral equivalence arguments and raw, festering hatred of college students all in one thread.

Who would have thought rightwingloons were this batshit crazy?

 

[clevergirl]

Welcome to Occupy Phoenix, the latest violent embarrassment to American society. This group of occupiers is asking, "When should you shoot a cop?" Pamphlets asking this question and laying out justifications for doing so were left at the Occupy Wall Street location in Phoenix, Arizona and found by a Maricopa County Sheriff Deputy.

When Should You Shoot A Cop?

That question, even without an answer, makes most “law-abiding taxpayers” go into knee-jerk conniptions. The indoctrinated masses all race to see who can be first, and loudest to proclaim that it is NEVER okay to forcibly resist “law enforcement.” In doing so, they also inadvertently demonstrate why so much of human history has been plagued by tyranny and oppression.
In an ideal world, cops would do nothing except protect people from thieves and attackers, in which case shooting a cop would never be justified. In the real world, however, far more injustice, violence, torture, theft, and outright murder has been committed IN THE NAME of “law enforcement,” than has been committed in spite of it. To get a little perspective, try watching a documentary or two about some of the atrocities committed by the regimes of Stalin, or Lenin, or Chaiman Mao, or Hitler, or Pol Pot, or any number of other tyrants in history. Pause the film when the jackboots are about to herd innocent people into cattle cars, or gun them down as they stand on the edge of a ditch, and THEN ask yourself the question, “When should you shoot a cop?”


Occupy Phoenix Asks: When Should You Shoot a Cop? - Katie Pavlich

The movement has certainly taken on a violent tinge. The fact that these fliers were on a table full of handouts and it took a cop, to take action- speaks volumes to the idea that killing a cop was acceptable information to pass around.

The blatant hypocrisy, of how the media has covered these demonstrations and TEA Party rallies, is telling of just how corrupted the media has become... it is now way beyond just mere bias.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

My, my. Moral equivalence arguments and raw, festering hatred of college students all in one thread.

Who would have thought rightwingloons were this batshit crazy?

I notice you haven't answered the question. You are a liar and a hypocrite as well as a moron. Keep proving it.

 

[Charles_Main]

The Only Question here is how long is it going to Take America to wake up to what is really going on in OWS.

Yes I know a lot of them are just kids, Students with Understandable Beefs, not really radicals. But the Movement is being driven, Orchestrated, and coordinated by the Radical Left. Soro's and the Bunch. The Core of the Movement is Socialist, Anarchists, and Nazis. The Goal of the people behind this was never to Create a Tea Party of the left. It is to recreate the Unrest we have been seeing Both In Europe and across the Arab world here in America. It's a signal of the Extreme Far lefts Desperation. They can read the Tea Leaves, and know they are sure to lose power again in 2012, Even if Obama wins the WH. This is Plan B for when the Ballot Box Fails them again. Mob Intimidation, and Coercion through Strikes, Boycotts, Riots and General Unrest. In the End this is always the Way with Big Government Socialism/Communism, Because they have a real Problem with Democracy. They can never seem to get enough people to agree to their Ideas, so in the end they will always need ways around the Democratic Process to Implement their Agenda.

 

[Salt Jones]

My money is on JT Ready and his Nazi friends, who came armed with AR-15s to join the occupy protests. Ready and friends are buddies of Sheriff Joe and Russell Pearce.

How do you feel about obamaturd being friends with a known socialist then? I thought so.

You don't think. Was Obama at the occupy phoenix protest?

 

[The T]

My money is on JT Ready and his Nazi friends, who came armed with AR-15s to join the occupy protests. Ready and friends are buddies of Sheriff Joe and Russell Pearce.

How do you feel about obamaturd being friends with a known socialist then? I thought so.

You don't think. Was Obama at the occupy phoenix protest?

NO...but he has said that he supports them...


Now? Shut the fuck up. *I* OWN You. *YOU* don't speak unless you clear it with me.

 

[Salt Jones]

How do you feel about obamaturd being friends with a known socialist then? I thought so.

You don't think. Was Obama at the occupy phoenix protest?

NO...but he has said that he supports them...


Now? Shut the fuck up. *I* OWN You.

My names not Herman Cain. You don't own me.

 

[The T]

You don't think. Was Obama at the occupy phoenix protest?

NO...but he has said that he supports them...


Now? Shut the fuck up. *I* OWN You.

My names not Herman Cain. You don't own me.

*I* OWN YOU...YOU will NOT speak unless YOU clear it with ME.

 

[Salt Jones]

How do you feel about obamaturd being friends with a known socialist then? I thought so.

You don't think. Was Obama at the occupy phoenix protest?

NO...but he has said that he supports them...


Now? Shut the fuck up. *I* OWN You. *YOU* don't speak unless you clear it with me.

I see the bud light has made you bold. I bet all your neighborhood little girls know to stay inside when they see you like that.

 

[Salt Jones]

NO...but he has said that he supports them...


Now? Shut the fuck up. *I* OWN You.

My names not Herman Cain. You don't own me.

*I* OWN YOU...YOU will NOT speak unless YOU clear it with ME.

Hahaha. Where's Daveman with his e-thug picture?

 

[The T]

My names not Herman Cain. You don't own me.

*I* OWN YOU...YOU will NOT speak unless YOU clear it with ME.

Hahaha. Where's Daveman with his e-thug picture?

Shut Up. YOU will NOT speak unless YOU clear it with me.