Occupy Harvard.

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"Harvard Students Join the Movement
by Richard D. Wolff

"Over the last 10 days, Harvard students twice stopped business as usual at this richest of all US private universities. An Occupy Harvard encampment of tents followed a large march of many hundreds through the campus protesting Harvard's complicity in the nation's extreme inequality of income and wealth.

"A week earlier some 70 students walked out in protest of Harvard's large lecture course in introductory economics.

"They too explained that they were acting in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movements.

"They specifically criticized the narrowly biased economics they were learning that both reflected and reinforced the inequalities and injustices that fuel the OWS movements. The walkout in the economics lecture deserves our special attention."

Richard D. Wolff, "Harvard Students Join the Movement"

The author of this post sat in one of Harvard's large introductory economics courses in the early 60s. He later taught as a graduate assistant in a similar course at Yale, and then over the last 35 years taught his own intro econ courses at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

He's come to the conclusion that "celebrating capitalism is not the same as understanding it, let alone evaluating its strengths and weaknesses."
 
celebrating capitalism is not the same as understanding it, let alone evaluating its strengths and weaknesses."

True that.

Honest capitalism is the best economic system....if you can keep it honest.
 
celebrating capitalism is not the same as understanding it, let alone evaluating its strengths and weaknesses."

True that.

Honest capitalism is the best economic system....if you can keep it honest.
Where do you see OWS going next?

Here's one possibility I hadn't considered:

"Occupy Wall Street: An Opening to Worker-Occupation of Factories and Enterprises in the U.S.
by Peter Ranis

The Social Economy Context

"The Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement has clearly expressed the hopes and great potentialities of the working class both in the U.S. and globally. The 99 percent are speaking up and saying that they will no longer do the bidding of the 1 percent. In essence it is the revolt of the masses, the underclass in their many guises.

"People in NYC's Zuccotti Park are doing incredible things autonomously and with purpose. They are developing an island of political and economic autonomy that draws attention to what people can do on their own and for themselves.

"From many walks of life they are standing up and speaking with measured purpose and being heard. This is a valuable lesson for the American working class and their right to stand up and defend their jobs in factories and enterprises from being 'disappeared.'"

Peter Ranis, "Occupy Wall Street: An Opening to Worker-Occupation of Factories and Enterprises in the U.S."

Could this be the beginning of the "revolt of the masses?"
 
And yet they have no message, no goals, no standards and no leadership. Every single time they are asked for their demands they state the most idiotic clap trap imaginable and are immediately denounced as not speaking for the movement.

Regular Americans are feed up with their ignorance, greed, self serving agenda.

I believe that the supposed movement will "grow" next year. With anarchists, criminals and thugs. I believe we face a grave threat to our cities and our Country and that a sitting President and his party are encouraging this behavior to attempt to thwart the electoral process.
 
And yet they have no message, no goals, no standards and no leadership. Every single time they are asked for their demands they state the most idiotic clap trap imaginable and are immediately denounced as not speaking for the movement.

Regular Americans are feed up with their ignorance, greed, self serving agenda.

I believe that the supposed movement will "grow" next year. With anarchists, criminals and thugs. I believe we face a grave threat to our cities and our Country and that a sitting President and his party are encouraging this behavior to attempt to thwart the electoral process.
When OWS calls for the criminal prosecutions of Wall Street executives for control accounting fraud, is that "claptrap" or "a grave threat to our cities and country?"
 
And yet they have no message, no goals, no standards and no leadership. Every single time they are asked for their demands they state the most idiotic clap trap imaginable and are immediately denounced as not speaking for the movement.

Regular Americans are feed up with their ignorance, greed, self serving agenda.

I believe that the supposed movement will "grow" next year. With anarchists, criminals and thugs. I believe we face a grave threat to our cities and our Country and that a sitting President and his party are encouraging this behavior to attempt to thwart the electoral process.
When OWS calls for the criminal prosecutions of Wall Street executives for control accounting fraud, is that "claptrap" or "a grave threat to our cities and country?"

Obama and the Democrats are in power. Holder is Attorney General and has been since 2009. IF the companies are practicing illegal activities why hasn't anything been done about it in the last 4 years? If Wall street is practicing criminal activity why has Obama actively sought campaign money from them to the tune of over 12 million dollars?

Congress was controlled by the Democrats from 2006 to 2010 if Wall Street is practicing criminal activities how come no action was take during those 4 years by the Democrats?
 
The conservatives or this board need to realize that their fringe political opinion does not even resemble the opinions of "Regular Americans". What the hell is a regular American anyway?
 
Wow guy, are you in for some rude awakenings next year. Keep sticking up for the big banks and demonizing the protesters and you will find out just how fringe you are.
 
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Im laughing................

All over the country, the cities are blowing this shit up!!
 
"Harvard Students Join the Movement
by Richard D. Wolff

"Over the last 10 days, Harvard students twice stopped business as usual at this richest of all US private universities. An Occupy Harvard encampment of tents followed a large march of many hundreds through the campus protesting Harvard's complicity in the nation's extreme inequality of income and wealth.

"A week earlier some 70 students walked out in protest of Harvard's large lecture course in introductory economics.

"They too explained that they were acting in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movements.

"They specifically criticized the narrowly biased economics they were learning that both reflected and reinforced the inequalities and injustices that fuel the OWS movements. The walkout in the economics lecture deserves our special attention."

Richard D. Wolff, "Harvard Students Join the Movement"

The author of this post sat in one of Harvard's large introductory economics courses in the early 60s. He later taught as a graduate assistant in a similar course at Yale, and then over the last 35 years taught his own intro econ courses at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

He's come to the conclusion that "celebrating capitalism is not the same as understanding it, let alone evaluating its strengths and weaknesses."

So in essence we have students walking out of an economics course because it doesn't reinforce "their" views of how evil capitalism is? The amusing thing about Professor Wolf's denunciations of how capitalism is "celebrated" at Harvard is that when he taught at UMass capitalism was apparently scorned yet he has no problem with that. God forbid that students should hear both sides of an argument about this!
 
And yet they have no message, no goals, no standards and no leadership. Every single time they are asked for their demands they state the most idiotic clap trap imaginable and are immediately denounced as not speaking for the movement.

Regular Americans are feed up with their ignorance, greed, self serving agenda.

I believe that the supposed movement will "grow" next year. With anarchists, criminals and thugs. I believe we face a grave threat to our cities and our Country and that a sitting President and his party are encouraging this behavior to attempt to thwart the electoral process.
When OWS calls for the criminal prosecutions of Wall Street executives for control accounting fraud, is that "claptrap" or "a grave threat to our cities and country?"

Obama and the Democrats are in power. Holder is Attorney General and has been since 2009. IF the companies are practicing illegal activities why hasn't anything been done about it in the last 4 years? If Wall street is practicing criminal activity why has Obama actively sought campaign money from them to the tune of over 12 million dollars?

Congress was controlled by the Democrats from 2006 to 2010 if Wall Street is practicing criminal activities how come no action was take during those 4 years by the Democrats?
Democrats AND Republicans depend on the 1% to fund their election campaigns.
We will all get gray and die before either party prosecutes Wall Street control fraud.
The only solution I see is to FLUSH incumbents of both parties from power in 2012.
Had someone like Ralph Nader (Ron Paul?) moved into the White House in 2009, it's likely hundreds of bankers would have been indicted by now similar to what happened after the Savings and Loan looting of the late '80s and early '90s.
 
"Harvard Students Join the Movement
by Richard D. Wolff

"Over the last 10 days, Harvard students twice stopped business as usual at this richest of all US private universities. An Occupy Harvard encampment of tents followed a large march of many hundreds through the campus protesting Harvard's complicity in the nation's extreme inequality of income and wealth.

"A week earlier some 70 students walked out in protest of Harvard's large lecture course in introductory economics.

"They too explained that they were acting in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movements.

"They specifically criticized the narrowly biased economics they were learning that both reflected and reinforced the inequalities and injustices that fuel the OWS movements. The walkout in the economics lecture deserves our special attention."

Richard D. Wolff, "Harvard Students Join the Movement"

The author of this post sat in one of Harvard's large introductory economics courses in the early 60s. He later taught as a graduate assistant in a similar course at Yale, and then over the last 35 years taught his own intro econ courses at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

He's come to the conclusion that "celebrating capitalism is not the same as understanding it, let alone evaluating its strengths and weaknesses."

So in essence we have students walking out of an economics course because it doesn't reinforce "their" views of how evil capitalism is? The amusing thing about Professor Wolf's denunciations of how capitalism is "celebrated" at Harvard is that when he taught at UMass capitalism was apparently scorned yet he has no problem with that. God forbid that students should hear both sides of an argument about this!
Professor Wolff replies:

"In the early 1960s, I sat as a student in that same Harvard large lecture class.

"With many fellow students, I grumbled then at its narrow, technical celebration of the status quo. The interests we brought to the course -- to understand the causes of economic instability (recessions, depressions, inflations, crises), how economic change shapes political and cultural history, why so many are poor and so few rich, and what alternative economic systems might be preferable -- were largely evaded, ignored, or trivialized.

"Without an OWS movement, we did not walk out. We sat and endured..."

Richard D. Wolff, "Harvard Students Join the Movement"

As I understand Wolff's article, students are walking out because they are not getting both sides of the argument.
 
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"Harvard Students Join the Movement
by Richard D. Wolff

"Over the last 10 days, Harvard students twice stopped business as usual at this richest of all US private universities. An Occupy Harvard encampment of tents followed a large march of many hundreds through the campus protesting Harvard's complicity in the nation's extreme inequality of income and wealth.

"A week earlier some 70 students walked out in protest of Harvard's large lecture course in introductory economics.

"They too explained that they were acting in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movements.

"They specifically criticized the narrowly biased economics they were learning that both reflected and reinforced the inequalities and injustices that fuel the OWS movements. The walkout in the economics lecture deserves our special attention."

Richard D. Wolff, "Harvard Students Join the Movement"

The author of this post sat in one of Harvard's large introductory economics courses in the early 60s. He later taught as a graduate assistant in a similar course at Yale, and then over the last 35 years taught his own intro econ courses at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

He's come to the conclusion that "celebrating capitalism is not the same as understanding it, let alone evaluating its strengths and weaknesses."

So... the students were protesting 'Harvard's complicity in the nation's extreme inequality of income and wealth.'... essentially they were protesting against themselves then, as they are Harvard students, which would make them part of the problem, or at the least, complicit with Harvard itself.

Morons.
 
"Harvard Students Join the Movement
by Richard D. Wolff

"Over the last 10 days, Harvard students twice stopped business as usual at this richest of all US private universities. An Occupy Harvard encampment of tents followed a large march of many hundreds through the campus protesting Harvard's complicity in the nation's extreme inequality of income and wealth.

"A week earlier some 70 students walked out in protest of Harvard's large lecture course in introductory economics.

"They too explained that they were acting in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movements.

"They specifically criticized the narrowly biased economics they were learning that both reflected and reinforced the inequalities and injustices that fuel the OWS movements. The walkout in the economics lecture deserves our special attention."

Richard D. Wolff, "Harvard Students Join the Movement"

The author of this post sat in one of Harvard's large introductory economics courses in the early 60s. He later taught as a graduate assistant in a similar course at Yale, and then over the last 35 years taught his own intro econ courses at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

He's come to the conclusion that "celebrating capitalism is not the same as understanding it, let alone evaluating its strengths and weaknesses."

So in essence we have students walking out of an economics course because it doesn't reinforce "their" views of how evil capitalism is? The amusing thing about Professor Wolf's denunciations of how capitalism is "celebrated" at Harvard is that when he taught at UMass capitalism was apparently scorned yet he has no problem with that. God forbid that students should hear both sides of an argument about this!
Professor Wolff replies:

"In the early 1960s, I sat as a student in that same Harvard large lecture class.

"With many fellow students, I grumbled then at its narrow, technical celebration of the status quo. The interests we brought to the course -- to understand the causes of economic instability (recessions, depressions, inflations, crises), how economic change shapes political and cultural history, why so many are poor and so few rich, and what alternative economic systems might be preferable -- were largely evaded, ignored, or trivialized.

"Without an OWS movement, we did not walk out. We sat and endured..."

Richard D. Wolff, "Harvard Students Join the Movement"

As I understand Wolff's article, students are walking out because they are not getting both sides of the argument.



s0n..........time to look into some EffexorXR..........and Im not kidding. OCD is a fcukked up thing and many dont even realize they got it going on. This rich/poor obssession. When you become convinced that in some tiny corner of the internet, you are THE VOICE of creating class warfare, its a problem. Google SSRO and SSRA. Shit opens up a whole life for people who perseverate on thoughts.

And ps.......as long as the earth is still here there will be rich and poor. Hate to break it to you but its not going to change if you post up 1,000 threads a day........and its ALWAYS going to be that 1%-2%. Its just the way it is in any society s0n.
 
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Im laughing................

All over the country, the cities are blowing this shit up!!
"It is a good sign that today's Harvard students include many who recognize the important political and ideological breakthrough accomplished by the Occupy movement.

"It is an even better sign that they are determined now to join and further its central goal of exposing and opposing the profound inequalities and injustices of the current system.

"And it is perhaps best of all that they take the struggle to one of the chief ideological apologists for that system, mainstream economics."

Richard D. Wolff, "Harvard Students Join the Movement"

Are you recommending a vote for Wall Street next year?
 
yes, those plucky harvard students put up tents and occasionally even go inside them for brief periods (when the weather is temperate and there's naught else to do)

oh, the humanity

:rofl:
 
"Harvard Students Join the Movement
by Richard D. Wolff

"Over the last 10 days, Harvard students twice stopped business as usual at this richest of all US private universities. An Occupy Harvard encampment of tents followed a large march of many hundreds through the campus protesting Harvard's complicity in the nation's extreme inequality of income and wealth.

"A week earlier some 70 students walked out in protest of Harvard's large lecture course in introductory economics.

"They too explained that they were acting in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movements.

"They specifically criticized the narrowly biased economics they were learning that both reflected and reinforced the inequalities and injustices that fuel the OWS movements. The walkout in the economics lecture deserves our special attention."

Richard D. Wolff, "Harvard Students Join the Movement"

The author of this post sat in one of Harvard's large introductory economics courses in the early 60s. He later taught as a graduate assistant in a similar course at Yale, and then over the last 35 years taught his own intro econ courses at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

He's come to the conclusion that "celebrating capitalism is not the same as understanding it, let alone evaluating its strengths and weaknesses."

So in essence we have students walking out of an economics course because it doesn't reinforce "their" views of how evil capitalism is? The amusing thing about Professor Wolf's denunciations of how capitalism is "celebrated" at Harvard is that when he taught at UMass capitalism was apparently scorned yet he has no problem with that. God forbid that students should hear both sides of an argument about this!
Professor Wolff replies:

"In the early 1960s, I sat as a student in that same Harvard large lecture class.

"With many fellow students, I grumbled then at its narrow, technical celebration of the status quo. The interests we brought to the course -- to understand the causes of economic instability (recessions, depressions, inflations, crises), how economic change shapes political and cultural history, why so many are poor and so few rich, and what alternative economic systems might be preferable -- were largely evaded, ignored, or trivialized.

"Without an OWS movement, we did not walk out. We sat and endured..."

Richard D. Wolff, "Harvard Students Join the Movement"

As I understand Wolff's article, students are walking out because they are not getting both sides of the argument.

As a graduate of UMass and having taken Macro-economics with Professor Wolff I can assure you that he seldom concerned himself with giving both sides of the argument. I had to "sit and endure" his views about the evils of capitalism which is why I find his view now on what is being taught rather ironic.
 
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