Observations regarding the anti-gun crowd

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  1. M14 Shooter
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    What -I- find most amusing about the anti-gun crowd - especially the anti-gun crowd on this board - is your inabaility to engage in a knowledgeable, reasoned conversation about the issue. Your posts are full of strawmen, abject ignorance, unsound reasoning, non-sequitur and ad hom, all of which, of course, are useless for a meaningful conversation among adults.

    If you are -so- right, why can you not present a sound, knowledgeable argument to back your position?
     
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    I agree, most anti-gun people are ignorant about guns (probably because they're obviously less likely to own themselves). I'm against making any new guns illegal-I think the guns that are currently available to the public are reasonable, and at a good level. Where I think we need to change things is that I don't think we should be able to bring a gun to public events-that's asking for trouble, and yes we should have security at those events in place so people can't get guns in.

    We already ban guns at schools, and courthouses-and I think by allowing people to carry guns at those places isn't wise.

    So in other words: I think people are the problem-not the guns. And there should only be a very small amount of places where we publicly limit where people can bring in guns, I just think that pubic political events happens to be one.

    (private property I think it should be up to the owners of the property).

    edit: so there's no non-liberal, but not really conservative either 2 cents on the issue.
     
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    Mini, I'm not anti-gun. I don't own one and never have, but I've considered it and if I wanted one, it's nice to know I could.

    What I find aggravating is the pro-gun crew seems unwilling to discuss reasonable restrictions. Why must assault weapons be legal? Why do you need to be allowed to carry guns in churches, schools, government buildings or bars?

    And I greatly fear the day they produce a plastic gun that does not show up on an x-ray, which seems inevitable to me.
     
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    This is not at all true. Like most pro-gun people, I am willing to dicsuss any restriction that:
    -Keeps guns from criminals
    -Does not infringe on the right to arms.
    Have any suggestions?

    To ban them infringes on the right to arms, especially in that 'assault weapons' are -exactly- the sort of "arms" the 2nd was created to protect.

    As we see, repeatedly, these places are not immune to violent crime. Thus, the need.

    The pressures involved in the discharge of a firearm are rather dramatic, and so what you fear is quite far away.
     
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    Of the 5 most deadly multiple shootings around the world in recent history, 4 have occurred in Europe in countries with strict gun control laws.

    All, with exception of this recent Tuscon shooting, have occurred in places where it is illegal to carry a gun. Trouble is...the criminals know it...they don't care about the law.
     
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    I think we could restrict who can sell firearms. I can go into the flea market up the road from me tomorrow and purchase a used firearm with no background checks, or criminal checks. They'd ask for my ID, to prove age, and that's pretty much it. This is how criminals can get their hands on guns easier. (this is just in Florida, I don't know the laws for other states).

    I don't think it's unreasonable: do it like you do a liquor license. You make it so people have to follow protocols at making sure who's purchasing the gun is allowed to have one (aka-not a criminal), runs the ID, or information from the person into a statewide database, and they can instantly see if that person has been convicted of a felony before.

    You also don't take the rights away from any law-abiding citizen. Like with alcohol you can purchase it from a place that has a liquor license, and as long as that place follows the law, they wont run into any problems with their license to sell.

    Remember: the constitution states we have the rights to own firearms-not sell them.

    Now I know, and understand that the criminal would just go and get them illegally from other areas, I don't dispute this. But this would at least make it harder for them to get their hands on it. While I think any law abiding citizen should be allowed to own
     
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    Quick quiz. Which inflicts more damage? 338 Lapua mag or an assault rifle chambered in .223, 5.56. And, are these weapons currently automatic? Awww.....never mind.
     
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    Answer: Who gives a shit.
     
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    Sorry, wrong answer.
     
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    The difference here is licensed dealers v private sales. Licensed dealers are currently required to follow exsting law regardless where they sell. The 'flea market' example, above, is almost certainly a private sale, and is then under the exact same restrictions as if you were to sell a gun to your brother while standing in your house.
    You are suggesting that you should not be able to so sell a gun to your brother?
     

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