Obscene Apologies

[High_Gravity]

The ignorant asshole who burned a holy book is publicity seeking attention whore. You burn a book, that is your right. I also have the right to call you an ignorant attention seeking publicity whore for doing so.

I would prefer Petraeus focus on his job, and not on political issues... sadly, soldiers get dragged into politics.

Grav is 100% in post #7...

...all high level officers have advance degrees, and got them at universities.
How could we not expect many to be influenced as so many others are in our colleges and univesities.

When you get the rank of General your practically a politician anways, you work hand in hand with the white house on all kinds of issues like policy, wars, deployments etc etc

 

[Immanuel]

The sickening part, High_Gravity is they were looking for AMERICANS...couldnt find any....so decided those people would have to make do.

Either that or they assumed all westerners were Americans and they were killing Americans.

Immie

 

[California Girl]

When you break through to the rank of Brig. General and above, politics become part of your job.

I know.... but it should me. The 'art of war' should not be political.

We have to accept... although we often forget... that our way of life is not the way of life of others in other countries. What we define as freedom of speech (although I'm not quite convinced that burning anything is 'speech') is not acceptable to other people. We do not live in a vacuum, we live in a world where actions have consequences.

To me... burning a book... any book is offensive. Burning a book that other people consider to be holy is not just offensive, it is provocative. I'm not condoning the slaughter of UN workers, but I sure as hell am not gonna defend the fucking little bastard who burned a Koran.

The guy who burned the Quran was a fucking mongrel retard, I don't think anyone is defending him specifically but there is no excuse to form a mob and go on a killing rage because someone burned a book thousands of miles away, this is ridiculous, the guy who burned it was retarded but the blame for the deaths of these people falls on the feet of the Afghans who did it.

I agree... but... that is an American view. As I said, we do not live in a order ruled by American law or our Constitution. We often overlook that. Our Constitution does not apply anywhere but the US. So, it is not for us to tell other people how to react. We either stop allowing idiots to incite people in other countries to violence or we accept the consequences.

 

[High_Gravity]

The ignorant asshole who burned a holy book is publicity seeking attention whore. You burn a book, that is your right. I also have the right to call you an ignorant attention seeking publicity whore for doing so.

I would prefer Petraeus focus on his job, and not on political issues... sadly, soldiers get dragged into politics.

I, too, would prefer that Petraeus focus on his job, but my thought when I read that information about him in the OP was that that was exactly what he was doing. One part of his job is to defend the lives of every American soldier. My feelings are that this is what he was trying to accomplish by making those statements.

I don't believe he will accomplish a damned thing by appeasing them, but I think that was what he was trying to do.

Immie

Petreaus is doing damage control right now, hes got to think about his troops on the ground. 2 US Troops were already killed because of all this.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The sickening part, High_Gravity is they were looking for AMERICANS...couldnt find any....so decided those people would have to make do.

Actually Imeuru, there are plenty of American bases in Afghanistan, especially in the bigger cities. They targeted the UN on purpose because they know the UN can't shoot back, even when attacked. I was trained on force protection when I was in the Military and thankfully I never had to use it but I can tell you this, if these protestors tried this with a US or NATO base they would have got lit the fuck up, protestors have tried many times to sieze US Bases in Iraq and Afghanistan and they come up short everytime. They went to the UN because they know the UN are a bunch of paper tiger pussies.

I heard that the Gurkas hired as body guards were unarmed.....

brilliant. Just brilliant.

 

[Grace]

What horrors are being planned by those people thousands of miles away if that fucktard preacher decides to go ahead with the Judging The Koran deal hes blathering about? The better question is...will Fucktard be silenced, stripped of his rights with freedom of speech, so wackos dont get upset....while the Westboro Baptist church marches by on their way to another soldiers funeral that gets to keep THEIR rights to do as they wish?

What a warped country we have become.

 

[High_Gravity]

I know.... but it should me. The 'art of war' should not be political.

We have to accept... although we often forget... that our way of life is not the way of life of others in other countries. What we define as freedom of speech (although I'm not quite convinced that burning anything is 'speech') is not acceptable to other people. We do not live in a vacuum, we live in a world where actions have consequences.

To me... burning a book... any book is offensive. Burning a book that other people consider to be holy is not just offensive, it is provocative. I'm not condoning the slaughter of UN workers, but I sure as hell am not gonna defend the fucking little bastard who burned a Koran.

The guy who burned the Quran was a fucking mongrel retard, I don't think anyone is defending him specifically but there is no excuse to form a mob and go on a killing rage because someone burned a book thousands of miles away, this is ridiculous, the guy who burned it was retarded but the blame for the deaths of these people falls on the feet of the Afghans who did it.

I agree... but... that is an American view. As I said, we do not live in a order ruled by American law or our Constitution. We often overlook that. Our Constitution does not apply anywhere but the US. So, it is not for us to tell other people how to react. We either stop allowing idiots to incite people in other countries to violence or we accept the consequences.

Your right about that, freedom of speech and all these things DEFINENTLY do not apply in Afghanistan.

 

[High_Gravity]

The sickening part, High_Gravity is they were looking for AMERICANS...couldnt find any....so decided those people would have to make do.

Actually Imeuru, there are plenty of American bases in Afghanistan, especially in the bigger cities. They targeted the UN on purpose because they know the UN can't shoot back, even when attacked. I was trained on force protection when I was in the Military and thankfully I never had to use it but I can tell you this, if these protestors tried this with a US or NATO base they would have got lit the fuck up, protestors have tried many times to sieze US Bases in Iraq and Afghanistan and they come up short everytime. They went to the UN because they know the UN are a bunch of paper tiger pussies.

I heard that the Gurkas hired as body guards were unarmed.....

brilliant. Just brilliant.

I heard the pussies were lightly armed but still did not fire even when the mob turned violent on them.

 

[xotoxi]

Take a gander at Michael Walsh's response to the savages who killed the UN workers, and see if you agree with him:

1. Noel Coward penned a little ditty called "Don't Let's Be Beastly to the Germans."
It was, he explained, "a satire directed against a small minority of excessive humanitarians, who, in my opinion, were taking a rather too tolerant view of our enemies."

2. Over in Afghanistan, a mob of howling savages, whipped up by our "ally," kleptocratic President Hamid Karzai, has been rioting for nearly a week over the burning of a Koran by an obscure pastor in Florida. More than 20 have died, including two US soldiers...

3. In a series of disgraceful statements, Sens. Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham, along with Gen. David Petraeus, have laid the blame for the unrest where it doesn't belong: at the feet of the US Constitution.

4. This is jaw-dropping in its ignorance and stupidity. Graham is arguing against freedom of speech -- why else should an American citizen exercising his First Amendment rights, however offensive to some, be "held accountable" for the reactions of superstitious goatherds half a world away?

5. But the prize for disappointment goes to Petraeus and NATO Ambassador Mark Sedwill, whose statement read in part: "In view of the events of recent days, we feel it is important . . . to reiterate our condemnation of any disrespect to the Holy Koran and the Muslim faith. We condemn, in particular, the action of an individual in the United States who recently burned the Holy Koran.

"We further hope the Afghan people understand that the actions of a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the Holy Koran, are not representative of any of the countries of the international community who are in Afghanistan to help the Afghan people."

6. ...we are instead apologizing to the very people who are killing American soldiers, and treating their holy book better than we do any other.

7. World War II ended with the destruction of German cities, the death of Hitler, the hanging of the top surviving Nazis at Nuremberg. In Japan, Gen. Douglas MacArthur forced Emperor Hirohito to publicly renounce the myth of his own divinity and the Japanese doctrine of racial superiority.

But don't let's be beastly to the Islamists. After all, restricting the rights of our own citizens in order to appease people still living in the 7th century isn't much of a price to pay for peace, is it?

Let's be meek to them

And turn the other cheek to them

And try to bring out their latent sense of fun.

Let's give them full air parity

And treat the rats with charity,

But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.

Politicians appease Islamists--Michael A. Walsh - NYPOST.com

Excellent cut and paste job!!!

 

[High_Gravity]

What horrors are being planned by those people thousands of miles away if that fucktard preacher decides to go ahead with the Judging The Koran deal hes blathering about? The better question is...will Fucktard be silenced, stripped of his rights with freedom of speech, so wackos dont get upset....while the Westboro Baptist church marches by on their way to another soldiers funeral that gets to keep THEIR rights to do as they wish?

What a warped country we have become.

You know what? if I were in with the radical crowd, I would encourage Quran burnings in the West, that way it riles the Muslims up some more and they get more support for their base, think about it, when that guy burned in the Quran who really gained anything from it, besides the jihadi idiots who will use it as propoganda to recruit?

 

[Ernie S.]

The ignorant asshole who burned a holy book is publicity seeking attention whore. You burn a book, that is your right. I also have the right to call you an ignorant attention seeking publicity whore for doing so.

I would prefer Petraeus focus on his job, and not on political issues... sadly, soldiers get dragged into politics.

Grav is 100% in post #7...

...all high level officers have advance degrees, and got them at universities.
How could we not expect many to be influenced as so many others are in our colleges and univesities.

Don't be so sure the General actually buys into what he said. He has to play diplomat to the Afghanis and subordinate to the C in C.
His job is to protect his troops and obey his ass hole boss.

 

[Immanuel]

What horrors are being planned by those people thousands of miles away if that fucktard preacher decides to go ahead with the Judging The Koran deal hes blathering about? The better question is...will Fucktard be silenced, stripped of his rights with freedom of speech, so wackos dont get upset....while the Westboro Baptist church marches by on their way to another soldiers funeral that gets to keep THEIR rights to do as they wish?

What a warped country we have become.

Would it be a violation of his right to free speech if no one covered his "trial" at all, not the media or anyone else? If he made a video of it and placed it on Youtuve and Youtube removed it?

I don't think that is a violation of his freedom of speech. He can say what he wants, but if no one is listening, that is his tough luck.

Immie

 

[PoliticalChic]

The ignorant asshole who burned a holy book is publicity seeking attention whore. You burn a book, that is your right. I also have the right to call you an ignorant attention seeking publicity whore for doing so.

I would prefer Petraeus focus on his job, and not on political issues... sadly, soldiers get dragged into politics.

Grav is 100% in post #7...

...all high level officers have advance degrees, and got them at universities.
How could we not expect many to be influenced as so many others are in our colleges and univesities.

Don't be so sure the General actually buys into what he said. He has to play diplomat to the Afghanis and subordinate to the C in C.
His job is to protect his troops and obey his ass hole boss.

Now, sit down when you hear this, Ernie....

this general is a liberal.

It's been reported in the news that he won't allow Fox News on in HQ.

 

[Grace]

Good luck stopping the media. They live for this shit.
Youtube? They will not allow it. Cant burn their fucking book and put it there but you can burn the bible.

 

[Grace]

It's been reported in the news that he won't allow Fox News on in HQ.

I dont know what I am, but I wouldnt let them in either.

 

[High_Gravity]

The ignorant asshole who burned a holy book is publicity seeking attention whore. You burn a book, that is your right. I also have the right to call you an ignorant attention seeking publicity whore for doing so.

I would prefer Petraeus focus on his job, and not on political issues... sadly, soldiers get dragged into politics.

Grav is 100% in post #7...

...all high level officers have advance degrees, and got them at universities.
How could we not expect many to be influenced as so many others are in our colleges and univesities.

Don't be so sure the General actually buys into what he said. He has to play diplomat to the Afghanis and subordinate to the C in C.
His job is to protect his troops and obey his ass hole boss.

The General definently has to play ball with the Afghans, he is in their country and he has to appease them, especially with how tense the situation is. 2 US Troops have already been killed because of this.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Take a gander at Michael Walsh's response to the savages who killed the UN workers, and see if you agree with him:

1. Noel Coward penned a little ditty called "Don't Let's Be Beastly to the Germans."
It was, he explained, "a satire directed against a small minority of excessive humanitarians, who, in my opinion, were taking a rather too tolerant view of our enemies."

2. Over in Afghanistan, a mob of howling savages, whipped up by our "ally," kleptocratic President Hamid Karzai, has been rioting for nearly a week over the burning of a Koran by an obscure pastor in Florida. More than 20 have died, including two US soldiers...

3. In a series of disgraceful statements, Sens. Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham, along with Gen. David Petraeus, have laid the blame for the unrest where it doesn't belong: at the feet of the US Constitution.

4. This is jaw-dropping in its ignorance and stupidity. Graham is arguing against freedom of speech -- why else should an American citizen exercising his First Amendment rights, however offensive to some, be "held accountable" for the reactions of superstitious goatherds half a world away?

5. But the prize for disappointment goes to Petraeus and NATO Ambassador Mark Sedwill, whose statement read in part: "In view of the events of recent days, we feel it is important . . . to reiterate our condemnation of any disrespect to the Holy Koran and the Muslim faith. We condemn, in particular, the action of an individual in the United States who recently burned the Holy Koran.

"We further hope the Afghan people understand that the actions of a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the Holy Koran, are not representative of any of the countries of the international community who are in Afghanistan to help the Afghan people."

6. ...we are instead apologizing to the very people who are killing American soldiers, and treating their holy book better than we do any other.

7. World War II ended with the destruction of German cities, the death of Hitler, the hanging of the top surviving Nazis at Nuremberg. In Japan, Gen. Douglas MacArthur forced Emperor Hirohito to publicly renounce the myth of his own divinity and the Japanese doctrine of racial superiority.

But don't let's be beastly to the Islamists. After all, restricting the rights of our own citizens in order to appease people still living in the 7th century isn't much of a price to pay for peace, is it?

Let's be meek to them

And turn the other cheek to them

And try to bring out their latent sense of fun.

Let's give them full air parity

And treat the rats with charity,

But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.

Politicians appease Islamists--Michael A. Walsh - NYPOST.com

Excellent cut and paste job!!!

Try reading.

 

[Ernie S.]

Grav is 100% in post #7...

...all high level officers have advance degrees, and got them at universities.
How could we not expect many to be influenced as so many others are in our colleges and univesities.

Don't be so sure the General actually buys into what he said. He has to play diplomat to the Afghanis and subordinate to the C in C.
His job is to protect his troops and obey his ass hole boss.

Now, sit down when you hear this, Ernie....

this general is a liberal.

It's been reported in the news that he won't allow Fox News on in HQ.

Like I said, part of his job is to obey his ass hole boss.

 

[Immanuel]

Good luck stopping the media. They live for this shit.
Youtube? They will not allow it. Cant burn their fucking book and put it there but you can burn the bible.

Well, I didn't say we could pull it off. I only asked the question.

You have to know that NPR and MSNBC will cover it and make it their lead story for days, but then... we could all hope that even the media would ostracize him, can't we?

Immie

 

[High_Gravity]

Don't be so sure the General actually buys into what he said. He has to play diplomat to the Afghanis and subordinate to the C in C.
His job is to protect his troops and obey his ass hole boss.

Now, sit down when you hear this, Ernie....

this general is a liberal.

It's been reported in the news that he won't allow Fox News on in HQ.

Like I said, part of his job is to obey his ass hole boss.

You have to listen to the Commander in Chief without question if you are a General, the General that questioned Rumsfeld about the Iraq invasion and said we need 250,000 troops was served with retirement orders the next day!