Obomination: Panetta: 'International Permission' Trumps Congressional Permission...

[Katzndogz]

You may not like it but he is correct. The way our president may use our military is dependent more on international agreement than the consent of congress. Sessions knows it too and he is being an ass acting like this is something new or the fault of democrats.

Not now not ever the UN???!!!! I wouldn't let the UN run anything let alone our military!!

You are way wrong on this.

Yes. But wishful thinking is more important that any reality.

 

[paulitician]

Our Constitution is our road-map for such matters. It would be nice if our Politicians started following it for a change.

Our constitution was written when wars were more deliberate acts and before pushbutton annihilation became commonplace. Not sure it is such a bad thing to have a mechanism in place to deal with events that move much faster than our congress is able to collectively decide on.

Nah, stick with the Constitution. It's a clear road-map for these matters. Now we just need to convince our Politicians to start following it again.

 

[occupied]

Our Constitution is our road-map for such matters. It would be nice if our Politicians started following it for a change.

Our constitution was written when wars were more deliberate acts and before pushbutton annihilation became commonplace. Not sure it is such a bad thing to have a mechanism in place to deal with events that move much faster than our congress is able to collectively decide on.

Nah, stick with the Constitution. It's a clear road-map for these matters. Now we just need to convince our Politicians to start following it again.

Do you really want to take the CIC job away from the president and put it in the hands of congress? It's already enough of a clusterfuck committee with just the Prez and the joint chiefs. As of now the military has a clear chain of command and no one in congress is involved. Except to approve or deny funding for various programs or foreign adventures, the congress has never had the power to second guess the president on his military policy.

 

[paulitician]

Our constitution was written when wars were more deliberate acts and before pushbutton annihilation became commonplace. Not sure it is such a bad thing to have a mechanism in place to deal with events that move much faster than our congress is able to collectively decide on.

Nah, stick with the Constitution. It's a clear road-map for these matters. Now we just need to convince our Politicians to start following it again.

Do you really want to take the CIC job away from the president and put it in the hands of congress? It's already enough of a clusterfuck committee with just the Prez and the joint chiefs. As of now the military has a clear chain of command and no one in congress is involved. Except to approve or deny funding for various programs or foreign adventures, the congress has never had the power to second guess the president on his military policy.

Checks & Balances. That's exactly what our Country is all about. It's time time to restore them.

 

[Robodoon]

Under question from Sen. Sessions at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing today, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey indicated that "international permission," rather than Congressional approval, provided a 'legal basis' for military action by the United States.

What do you think?


Obama Admin Cites 'Int'l Permission,' Not Congress, As 'Legal Basis' For Action In Syria - YouTube!

Panetta should be arrested. Treason

 

[occupied]

Nah, stick with the Constitution. It's a clear road-map for these matters. Now we just need to convince our Politicians to start following it again.

Do you really want to take the CIC job away from the president and put it in the hands of congress? It's already enough of a clusterfuck committee with just the Prez and the joint chiefs. As of now the military has a clear chain of command and no one in congress is involved. Except to approve or deny funding for various programs or foreign adventures, the congress has never had the power to second guess the president on his military policy.

Checks & Balances. That's exactly what our Country is all about. It's time time to restore them.

Restore them to what? How can you restore things to something that never existed? The president has always had the authority to order our military to anywhere in the world for whatever reason he sees fit. All congress has ever had is the power of the purse and that is all. Let's watch and see if Sessions for all his bluster refuses to fund any action in Syria.

 

[Katzndogz]

Under the United States Constitution, war powers are divided. Congress has the power to declare war, raise and support the armed forces, control the war funding (Article I, Section 8), and has "Power … to make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution … all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof", while the President is commander-in-chief of the military (Article II, Section 2). It is generally agreed that the commander-in-chief role gives the President power to repel attacks against the United States[5][6] and makes the President responsible for leading the armed forces. In addition and as with all acts of the Congress, the President has the right to sign or veto congressional acts, such as a declaration of war.

Does this make it a bit more clear? obama is not a dictator and cannot order his armies about as he sees fit.

 

[paulitician]

Do you really want to take the CIC job away from the president and put it in the hands of congress? It's already enough of a clusterfuck committee with just the Prez and the joint chiefs. As of now the military has a clear chain of command and no one in congress is involved. Except to approve or deny funding for various programs or foreign adventures, the congress has never had the power to second guess the president on his military policy.

Checks & Balances. That's exactly what our Country is all about. It's time time to restore them.

Restore them to what? How can you restore things to something that never existed? The president has always had the authority to order our military to anywhere in the world for whatever reason he sees fit. All congress has ever had is the power of the purse and that is all. Let's watch and see if Sessions for all his bluster refuses to fund any action in Syria.

I hope Sessions does do that. But i'm not too optimistic about that happening. And besides, the Dear Leader could just go around Congress and do what he did in Libya anyway. Our Government is a real mess at this point. It's very sad.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Beat me to it, katz.

Military action, no matter how executives try and dress it up, are acts of war and in such, require a declaration from congress.

 

[occupied]

Under the United States Constitution, war powers are divided. Congress has the power to declare war, raise and support the armed forces, control the war funding (Article I, Section 8), and has "Power … to make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution … all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof", while the President is commander-in-chief of the military (Article II, Section 2). It is generally agreed that the commander-in-chief role gives the President power to repel attacks against the United States[5][6] and makes the President responsible for leading the armed forces. In addition and as with all acts of the Congress, the President has the right to sign or veto congressional acts, such as a declaration of war.

Does this make it a bit more clear? obama is not a dictator and cannot order his armies about as he sees fit.

Yes he can, and regularly does. Think about all the places we have troops these days, other than approving funding, congress had no hand in the troops being where they are, that was all the president and the generals in the pentagon.