Obese College Costs

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    ....are due to Liberalism, Inc.

    1. It has been widely reported that college student debt has been increasing in recent years as the cost of higher education increases at public and private institutions
    and as more students enroll in postsecondary institutions. In 2010, student loan debt
    — about $1 trillion — exceeded the amount that Americans owed in credit debt and the
    cost of a college education increased at a rate greater than inflation over the past
    three decades.
    Nearly 6 in 10 (56%) of the recent college graduates in our survey
    borrowed from a government program or private banking institution. Another 8% said
    they borrowed money from a parent or relative that they are going to pay back.

    2. Upon graduation, the majority of students (55%) owed $20,000 (median) to pay off the
    costs of their education. .... the median public college or university debt was $18,680 whereas private college debt was $24,460. Male graduates owed $5,000 more than female graduates ($25,000 versus $20,000). Recent college graduates enrolled in graduate and professional programs already owed $10,000 more than those who have not
    pursued additional education ($20,000 versus $30,000).'
    https://www.heldrich.rutgers.edu/si...cts/uploads/Chasing_American_Dream_Report.pdf



    3. "Economics Prof Blasts Higher Education for Wasting Tuition Dollars on Diversity Hires
    Prof calls college a ‘racket,’ blasts diversity hires

    ... blaming it on the “diversity people” who he says have flooded the university system with unnecessary and perpetually increasing expenses tied to a seemingly endless need for more and more diversity initiatives and faculty.


    In his op-ed for The National Interest, George Mason University professor Walter E. Williams explains that institutions of higher education have started budgeting for “diversity and equity personnel” to accommodate the modern-day college student. The idea, Williams says, is to protect “vulnerable” groups of students from “hate speech” and “microaggressions,” noting that they have even gone as far as creating speech codes and bias-response teams to investigate complaints.

    As each of these programs is created, colleges and universities find a “need” for more programs and faculty and therefore more money to fund these initiatives.


    Diversity programs and staff come at a high price. Williams cites a study by a group called “Minding the Campus,” which found that Penn State University’s Office of the Vice Provost for Educational Equity employs a total of 66 individual staff members. “The University of Michigan currently employs a diversity staff of 93 full-time diversity administrators, officers, directors, vice provosts, deans, consultants, specialists, investigators, managers, executive assistants, administrative assistants, analysts, and coordinators. Amherst College, with a student body of 1,800 students employs 19 diversity people,” writes Williams."

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/01/economics-prof-blasts-higher-education-for-wasting-tuition-dollars-on-diversity-hires/



    Doesn't seem to be much of a leap to see this trend....by Liberalism, Inc......to be connected with the university system turning out he dumbest graduates ever.




     
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    But what's the alternative to College? Working in a factory for a wage of $20 per hour?(can't get far on that kind of slave wage)....my granddaughter just graduated from uw Madison and was immediately hired on in a hospital Maki g almost $40 per hour...she works 36 hours a week and gets paid for 40. She would never come close to that working for some lowlife company owner.
     
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    Lots of folks do it, and I've seen items that suggest that many are skipping college.

    But.....
    ....is it a good idea to offer all sorts of college loans guaranteed by government.....or is it simply a feel-good policy with no idea to the consequences???


    In "Applied Economics: Thinking Beyond Stage One," Dr. Thomas Sowell spotlights Liberalism's method, "Stage One Thinking:" ,”

    Sowell challenges individuals to analyze not only their short term (Stage One) impact but to also think ahead to their long term (Stage Two, Three, etc) impact. Politicians do not think beyond Stage One because they will be praised (and elected) for the short term benefits but will not be held accountable much later when the long term consequences appear


    What would be Stage Two or Stage Three?
    Getting out of college without the huge debt that ensues....

    Such as these choices.


    1. Work Study Programs

    2. Work you way through

    3. Work at a job where your major will be paid by the job

    4. Night school

    5. Community College, then transfer

    6. ROTC will pay a full scholarship

    7. Take eight years….ever hear of anyone asking ‘how

    Anyone ever ask you how much time you spent in college..?’


    And a very careful analysis of one's major.
    Very careful
     
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    1. The conservative way, personal responsibility:

    2. The College of the Ozarks — a four-year college since 1965, and rated No. 30 by U.S. News and World Report among Midwestern colleges offering both liberal arts and professional degrees — is one of seven so-called work colleges. Six describe themselves as Christian institutions and often, like Ozarks, are socially and politically conservative.

    3. Like many undergraduates, students at the College of the Ozarks here work their way through school, though they often do such unconventional campus jobs as milking cows at dawn in the college’s barns and baking fruit breads for sale to donors.


    4. But what is truly different about Hard Work U. — as the college styles itself — is that all 1,345 students must work 15 hours per week to pay off the entire cost of tuition — $15,900 per year. If they work summers, as one-third are doing this summer, they pay off their $4,400 room and board as well. Work study is not an option as it is at most campuses; it is the college’s raison d’être.

    5. This is a college that is philosophically opposed to students starting careers with an Ozark mountain of debt — 95 percent graduate debt free — and it believes that students who put sweat equity into their education value it more.
     
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    You could perhaps use your own brain, some motivation and a little imagination. I retired early and pretty well off as a non degreed EE in silicon valley . Probably the most competitive environment on earth for EEs at the time.
    Then too there were Jobs, Gates, Wozniak and many others including Zuckerberg who dragged down billions sans degree. However they all had to use their brains along with a lot of hard work and some long hours.
    A degree, especially some worthless BA degree in liberal arts crap guarantees you NOTHING!
     
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    Ah, college. The last bastion of experimentation.

    Like choosing underwater basketweaving as your major, while your parents pay through the nose.

    OK, that one's still just a rumor, but you might want to check with your kids before signing on the dotted line -- because these 20 twisted majors are 100 percent real:

    1. Wine Making. College isn't just about boozing after hours. Students at a host of schools can take viticulture -- learning to make wine from the grape growing to the grape stomping (or pressing these days) and beyond.

    2. Golf Management. Four years on the links doesn't sound all that hard, but these students actually learn everything from how to keep a green "green" to hospitality.

    3. Boilermaking. Not just the Purdue mascot, it's the study of how to make and repair steam parts.

    4. Franchising. An entire line of study can help you run your own fast food chain. It's a far cry from flipping burgers.

    5. Philology. A fancy name for the study of language. Take your pick from Tagalog to Urdu.

    6. Meat Cutting. Thank a meat-cutting major for your steak tonight.

    7. Home Ec. Yes, even in this day and age -- although they call it "family and consumer sciences" these days.

    8. Home Furnishings and Equipment Installers. A roundabout way of saying "interior design," but they sound large and in charge this way.

    9. Auctioneering. Classes to make you talk faster! New Yorkers need not apply.

    10. Fashion and Fabric Consultation. Next stop: personal shopper.

    11. Aromatherapy. You mean there's more to it than walking through Yankee Candle and taking home what smells good?

    12. Human Sexuality. Let's talk about sex, baby! They do it at Widener University!

    13. Canadian History. Our neighbor to the north is YOUNGER than the United States. And that's saying a lot.

    14. Gunsmithing. As long as there's a right to bear arms, someone has to make them, right?

    15. Mortuary Science and Embalming. Somebody's got to do it, but way to bring a pallor to your party days.

    16. Logic. Can we sign everyone up for a year of this?

    17. Security and Loss Prevention. They're NOT just mall cops apparently.

    18. Cartooning. It's not a well-known college, but there's a school devoted entirely to comic books. Spider-Man eat your heart out.

    19. Bagpiping. There's never a shortage of pipers at Scottish funerals ... or weddings ... thanks to Carnegie Mellon.

    20. Sports Ministry. Get out there with your pastor and play paddleball at Belhaven. You'll be in sports heaven.

    Would you pay for these?

    Meatcutting and 19 More Strange College Majors Parents Are Paying For



    Exploring the undead: University of Baltimore to offer English class on zombies

    By Daniel de Vise

    Friday, September 10, 2010

    Is "Night of the Living Dead" a simple zombie film or a subtle antiwar statement? Precisely when did viral pandemic supplant nuclear radiation as the leading cause of zombification? And which sort of animated dead has the greater potential to frighten: shambler or sprinter?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/08/AR2010090802944.html?wprss=rss_metro




    College: Liberalism, Incorporated.
     
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    Affirmative Action program by a former name. When the only hiring criteria that counts is that which is least indicative of an individual's qualifications. For every competent employee, two "diversified" employees must be added to the staff in order to provide "balance".
     
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    Many of those are trade crafts and could/should be dealt with by instituting apprenticeship programs. Some, like boilermaking (steam fitter), are handled by trade unions already. Others might serve as electives or be offered as seminar courses in support of, say, a chemistry degree. But, the concept that the only way to succeed in this country is to hold some (bs) degree issued by some college or university has been a hard sell to young people for decades now and has led to the proliferation of degrees in such fields of endeavor.
     
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    Time to re-prioritize trade schools.
     
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    "Calculating the Potential Return on Your Major
    By JACQUES STEINBERG
    As the cost of college climbs ever higher each year, amid a national economic forecast that remains cloudy, questions about the value of a four-year degree are being raised with increased urgency.

    The latest piece of evidence to become part of that debate is a report released Tuesday by the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce. Its seductive title: “What’s it Worth? The Economic Value of College Majors.”

    The good news? “While there is a lot of variation in earnings over a lifetime,” the center said in a press release, “the authors find that all undergraduate majors are ‘worth it,’ even taking into account the cost of college and lost earnings.”

    And yet, for those applicants to college seeking the most bang for their buck — at least as defined as maximizing their lifetime earnings — the authors used census data to conclude that the top majors as ranked by highest median earnings included petroleum engineer ($120,000), pharmacy/pharmaceutical sciences ($105,000) and mathematics and computer sciences ($98,000). The lowest? Counseling/psychology ($29,000), early childhood education ($36,000) and theology/religious vocations ($38,000.)"
    http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/whats-it-worth/



    But Liberalism infantilizes their constituents.....they never have to grow up.

    They don't have to think ahead to their major paying off in the real world.

    They can remain on their folks' insurance until 26.....
     
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