Obama's speech to Hispanic caucus gala leaves out CREATOR when he quotes the Preamble

[Sarah G]

LOL It could be Obama thought for a second, and realized that when this was written there were many women, men and children, who had none of these Creator based rights, but that too is reading too much into it. He was giving a speech, no need to read into it the wingnut interpretation of the universe.

Yep it is perfectly acceptable to pick and choose the parts of the constitution you believe.

Not the Constitution he was quoting.


Seriously....people, get your founding documents straight. Geesh!

They're just all in a tizzy over this, you know?

 

[Stephanie]

Yep it is perfectly acceptable to pick and choose the parts of the constitution you believe.

Not the Constitution he was quoting.


Seriously....people, get your founding documents straight. Geesh!

They're just all in a tizzy over this, you know?

WEL HELL, it's certainly not as important as someone who said they dabbled in witchcraft when they were young...yet this is ONLY OUR PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES. so move along folks.

 

[saveliberty]

What he wanted to say:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are subject to redistribution, that they are endowed by me with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Healthcare, stimulus money and the pursuit of employment.

Its the Declaration of the Socialist States of America

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. I would give the big Obama the shadow of a doubt, but after all he is a Harvard graduate.
2. Any Harvard man would know the Preamble, CASE CLOSED!!!!
3. This fucker is just laying with islam, and they don't hold; *These Truths To Be Self Evident*.
4. Its just most you dumb bastards don't either.
5. When does the impeachment start already???


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[bodecea]

Um, guys, I don't want to be nitpicky or anything, but Obama isn't quoting the Preamble, or any part of the Constitution. He's quoting the Declaration of Independence. Probably badly, I don't know. I can't stand to listen to him long enough to get that far in. But the two seconds I listened to were the Declaration.

It took til post 11....you get rep for being as smart as a 5th grader, Cecilie

I didn't realize "smart" was measured in how quickly I got around to clicking on a thread and reading it. You're telling me that in your world, "smart" equates with "having no life and spending all your time online"?

Nope. Try again.

 

[bodecea]

good gawd, you are right, now pat yourself on the back.
you only want to try and derail the thread, that is plain to see.

Explain to us how it is my fault if a thread based on a completely incorrect assumption is derailed because of its already established stupidity?

here ya go, now you can choke on your smug STUPIDITY..from the LINK

via weselzippers

OBAMA: "We all shared the same land. We didn’t always get along. But over the centuries, what eventually bound us together, what made us all Americans, was not a matter of blood, it wasn’t a matter of birth. It was faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Preamble to the Declaration of Independence...

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

There is no Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

 

[bodecea]

Sorry bout that,


1. I would give the big Obama the shadow of a doubt, but after all he is a Harvard graduate.
2. Any Harvard man would know the Preamble, CASE CLOSED!!!!
3. This fucker is just laying with islam, and they don't hold; *These Truths To Be Self Evident*.
4. Its just most you dumb bastards don't either.
5. When does the impeachment start already???


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

I'm guessing a Harvard trained man also knows the difference between the Constituion and the Declaration of Independence too.

You, on the other hand....................you were saying something about "dumb bastards"?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Explain to us how it is my fault if a thread based on a completely incorrect assumption is derailed because of its already established stupidity?

here ya go, now you can choke on your smug STUPIDITY..from the LINK

via weselzippers

OBAMA: "We all shared the same land. We didn’t always get along. But over the centuries, what eventually bound us together, what made us all Americans, was not a matter of blood, it wasn’t a matter of birth. It was faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Preamble to the Declaration of Independence...

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

There is no Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

Since you mocked everyone on this thread who incorrectly referred to the Constitution, do I get to mock you for this blatantly wrong statement?

Declaration of Independence (Preamble)

Preamble to U.S. Declaration of Independence

SparkNotes: The Declaration of Independence (1776): Preamble

Declaration of Independence (United States) - New World Encyclopedia

 

[Cecilie1200]

here ya go, now you can choke on your smug STUPIDITY..from the LINK

via weselzippers

OBAMA: "We all shared the same land. We didn’t always get along. But over the centuries, what eventually bound us together, what made us all Americans, was not a matter of blood, it wasn’t a matter of birth. It was faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Preamble to the Declaration of Independence...

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

There is no Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

Since you mocked everyone on this thread who incorrectly referred to the Constitution, do I get to mock you for this blatantly wrong statement?

Declaration of Independence (Preamble)

Preamble to U.S. Declaration of Independence

SparkNotes: The Declaration of Independence (1776): Preamble

Declaration of Independence (United States) - New World Encyclopedia

::sigh:: Quantum, I love you, and God knows I hate to have to contradict you on something like this, but the fact is, the Declaration doesn't really have a Preamble. The desire of some people to break it up into sections and attach labels to them is entirely THEIR little red wagon, and has no real meaning except to them.

If you look at pictures of the original Declaration and Constitution, you can see that the Constitution was written in sections, clearly labeled, and the entire document is headed with a separate section, what we call the Preamble. In other words, it was actually written and formatted to have one. The Declaration, on the other hand, is just one big chunk, not even broken into paragraphs, let alone sections. The most you can say is that it has a topic sentence, lots of exposition, and a concluding statement.

If you click on your links, you'll notice that they're each referring to different sections of text as the "Preamble".

 

[mattskramer]

already a thread on this.

Ill say what I said here.

the line about the creator in the Dec was not about making people believe in god. It was saying these rights are above reproach. NO MAN can take them from you because they come from a higher power.

Were the founding fathers wrong? They were just stating their beliefs. They also had no problem with prohibiting women from voting, with taking land from the Indians, and from owning slaves. Times - they are a changing.

 

[bodecea]

here ya go, now you can choke on your smug STUPIDITY..from the LINK

via weselzippers

OBAMA: "We all shared the same land. We didn’t always get along. But over the centuries, what eventually bound us together, what made us all Americans, was not a matter of blood, it wasn’t a matter of birth. It was faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Preamble to the Declaration of Independence...

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

There is no Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

Since you mocked everyone on this thread who incorrectly referred to the Constitution, do I get to mock you for this blatantly wrong statement?

Declaration of Independence (Preamble)

Preamble to U.S. Declaration of Independence

SparkNotes: The Declaration of Independence (1776): Preamble

Declaration of Independence (United States) - New World Encyclopedia

It isn't a Preamble. But I suppose most people can find anything stupid to fit their stupidity, eh? You just did.

 

[bodecea]

There is no Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

Since you mocked everyone on this thread who incorrectly referred to the Constitution, do I get to mock you for this blatantly wrong statement?

Declaration of Independence (Preamble)

Preamble to U.S. Declaration of Independence

SparkNotes: The Declaration of Independence (1776): Preamble

Declaration of Independence (United States) - New World Encyclopedia

::sigh:: Quantum, I love you, and God knows I hate to have to contradict you on something like this, but the fact is, the Declaration doesn't really have a Preamble. The desire of some people to break it up into sections and attach labels to them is entirely THEIR little red wagon, and has no real meaning except to them.

If you look at pictures of the original Declaration and Constitution, you can see that the Constitution was written in sections, clearly labeled, and the entire document is headed with a separate section, what we call the Preamble. In other words, it was actually written and formatted to have one. The Declaration, on the other hand, is just one big chunk, not even broken into paragraphs, let alone sections. The most you can say is that it has a topic sentence, lots of exposition, and a concluding statement.

If you click on your links, you'll notice that they're each referring to different sections of text as the "Preamble".

Ah, a sane person.

 

[mattskramer]

There is no Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

Since you mocked everyone on this thread who incorrectly referred to the Constitution, do I get to mock you for this blatantly wrong statement?

Declaration of Independence (Preamble)

Preamble to U.S. Declaration of Independence

SparkNotes: The Declaration of Independence (1776): Preamble

Declaration of Independence (United States) - New World Encyclopedia

It isn't a Preamble. But I suppose most people can find anything stupid to fit their stupidity, eh? You just did.

There is a Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

United States Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The next section, the famous preamble, includes the ideas and ideals that were principles of the Declaration. It is also an assertion of what is known as the "right of revolution": that is, people have certain rights, and when a government violates these rights, the people have the right to "alter or abolish" that government.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

There is no Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

Since you mocked everyone on this thread who incorrectly referred to the Constitution, do I get to mock you for this blatantly wrong statement?

Declaration of Independence (Preamble)

Preamble to U.S. Declaration of Independence

SparkNotes: The Declaration of Independence (1776): Preamble

Declaration of Independence (United States) - New World Encyclopedia

It isn't a Preamble. But I suppose most people can find anything stupid to fit their stupidity, eh? You just did.

There is a preamble
Declaration of Independence (Preamble)

 

[Cecilie1200]

Since you mocked everyone on this thread who incorrectly referred to the Constitution, do I get to mock you for this blatantly wrong statement?

Declaration of Independence (Preamble)

Preamble to U.S. Declaration of Independence

SparkNotes: The Declaration of Independence (1776): Preamble

Declaration of Independence (United States) - New World Encyclopedia

It isn't a Preamble. But I suppose most people can find anything stupid to fit their stupidity, eh? You just did.

There is a Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

United States Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The next section, the famous preamble, includes the ideas and ideals that were principles of the Declaration. It is also an assertion of what is known as the "right of revolution": that is, people have certain rights, and when a government violates these rights, the people have the right to "alter or abolish" that government.

Aside from the fact that you're citing Wikipedia, which should earn you an automatic "dumbass" slap upside the head, you're doing what I already mentioned: treating someone else's desire to arbitrarily divide and label the Declaration as though it has squat to do with reality.

Preamble - 1: an introductory statement; especially : the introductory part of a constitution or statute that usually states the reasons for and intent of the law
2: an introductory fact or circumstance; especially : one indicating what is to follow

Look at the picture of the original Declaration of Independence that accompanies your link. There's no introductory statement. It's just one big-ass paragraph that launches straight into declaring what it has to say with no pussyfooting about.

The Constitution, by contrast, starts with "This is why we're writing these laws", and then proceeds with the laws. It has a clearly set-aside introductory statement, which is why it is known as the Preamble.

Dictionaries: the most unsung invention of mankind.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Since you mocked everyone on this thread who incorrectly referred to the Constitution, do I get to mock you for this blatantly wrong statement?

Declaration of Independence (Preamble)

Preamble to U.S. Declaration of Independence

SparkNotes: The Declaration of Independence (1776): Preamble

Declaration of Independence (United States) - New World Encyclopedia

It isn't a Preamble. But I suppose most people can find anything stupid to fit their stupidity, eh? You just did.

There is a preamble
Declaration of Independence (Preamble)

That's not a preamble. That's a topic sentence.

 

[geauxtohell]

what the hell does this have to do with this thread?

and nobody has to switch off an on anything about Obama, the man is pure hate and Evil.
and the American people are starting to see this.

Why are you guys whining about him leaving out the term "creator" again?

Maybe we think the President of the United States - especially when he's been touted to us as being so fucking brilliant - should be able to correctly quote one of the most famous lines from one of the United States' founding documents. Given that public speaking is one of the major job requirements of the Presidency - and we were forced to live with eight YEARS of leftist bitching and moaning about Bush making misstatements and misquotes about lesser issues - it doesn't seem like a lot to ask.

On the other hand, this is also a country where large numbers of the populace apparently can't even correctly NAME the founding document Obama misquoted (take a bow, dimwit), so maybe it IS too much to ask for Obama to get the quote right. Birds of a feather, and all that.

I thought you didn't want to play with me anymore?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It isn't a Preamble. But I suppose most people can find anything stupid to fit their stupidity, eh? You just did.

There is a preamble
Declaration of Independence (Preamble)

That's not a preamble. That's a topic sentence.

preamble
When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

 

[geauxtohell]

Because:
a. He used a quote and did not attribute.
b. He changed the quote ever so lightly as to steal the cache but twist the meaning.
c. Through the plageurism and the unnannounced editing, he disingenuously stole the cache, twisted the meaning and tried again to direct his under educated sheeple into a belief system that he finds to be advantageous to his goals.

As he continuously tries to re-write history into something that he wishes it was but was not, he reveals his own inadequacy and also his willingness to lead based on deception, lies and con man tactics.

I think that sums up the reasons I did not like it. Others will have to respond on their own.

Plagiarism? You expected him to toss out citations during his speech? Since when has that been the norm? Furthermore, the preamble is one of the better known documents in American history. It's hilarious that you guys think Obama was trying to pass it off as his own work.
Other than not reading the entire document ver batum, I don't see the outrage. Other than outrage for the sake of outrage.

Is this where I say, "I rest my case."?

Whoops, I made a mistake.

My bad.

If you want to play the education game, I'd be happy too.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why are you guys whining about him leaving out the term "creator" again?

Maybe we think the President of the United States - especially when he's been touted to us as being so fucking brilliant - should be able to correctly quote one of the most famous lines from one of the United States' founding documents. Given that public speaking is one of the major job requirements of the Presidency - and we were forced to live with eight YEARS of leftist bitching and moaning about Bush making misstatements and misquotes about lesser issues - it doesn't seem like a lot to ask.

On the other hand, this is also a country where large numbers of the populace apparently can't even correctly NAME the founding document Obama misquoted (take a bow, dimwit), so maybe it IS too much to ask for Obama to get the quote right. Birds of a feather, and all that.

I thought you didn't want to play with me anymore?

I don't care to hear any more of your delusional, obfuscating drivel on the subject of evolution. At the point where your posts on THIS subject resemble those (and at this rate, I see that happening very soon), I'll stop paying attention to you in this thread, too.