Obama's secret advantage- people's inability to admit a mistake

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How will you vote in 2012 compared to 2008?

  1. I voted for Obama in 2008, and will vote for him again.

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  2. I voted for Obama in 2008, but won't vote him this time.

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  3. I didn't vote for him in 2008, and won't vote for him in 2012

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  4. I didn't vote for him in 2008, but might vote for him in 2012

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  5. I didn't vote in 2008 at all because I was too young, not a citizen, or hated all the choices.

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  1. JoeB131
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    Also enjoy the poll...

    One huge advantage incumbants enjoy. If you voted for them to start with, you usually won't admit you made a mistake, even to yourself in the privacy of a voting booth. So not surprisingly, of the seven incumbants who have stood for re-election since WWII, five actually increased their vote totals.

    Eisenhower- 33 million in 1952, 35 million in 1956.
    Nixon- 31 million in 1968, 46 million in 1972
    Reagan 44 million in 1980, 54 million in 1984
    Clinton - 45 million in 1992, 47 million in 1996
    Bush-43- 50 million in 2000, 62 million in 2004

    For purposes of this discussion, Truman, Johnson and Ford don't count as "incumbants", because they were filling out someone else's term.

    "But, Joe," you ask, "what about the two guys who got LESS votes?" Ah, those are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Carter got 40 million in 1976, when he barely edged out Jerry Ford's 39 million. In 1980 he got 35 million. Reagan got 5 million more than Ford, but Anderson got 6 million votes. More than likely, most of those 6 million Anderson voters came out of the folks who voted for Carter four years earlier.

    Bush the Elder got 48 million in 1988, but a mere 39 million in 1992. Clinton did improve his vote total over Dukakis by 3 million votes, but the real bleeding loss was the 19 million who voted for H. Ross Perot.

    In short, the presense of third party candidates enabled those people to admit they had made a mistake without forcing them to vote for the opposition party.

    Incidently, didn't vote for Obama, probably won't vote for him next time. (Although if the GOP nominates Romney, I won't vote GOP, either.) But I do find this interesting.

    To read more...

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    Admitting you made a mistake certainly sounds more intelligent than going on with the mistake in the first place though. Stupid is as stupid does.
     
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    it wasn't a mistake given the alternative.

    and you guys haven't provided anyone who is a good alternative.

    so there ya go.
     
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    I agree. But when was the last time you admitted a mistake? I don't mean a minor one. I mean when was the last time you admitted you were as wrong as three left nuts about something?

    Human nature is human nature.
     
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    Any David Deutsch readers out there? He gives an excellent analysis of third parties in 'The Beginning of Infinity,' this piece outlines the complexity of third parties.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0pZ9LTZW1g]David Deutsch on the AV Referendum (UK) - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    You know what, not really.

    McCain was a solid guy, with decades of experience, and Democrats had praised him for years for being compassionate, fair minded and bipartisan. I always thought he was a bit too moderate, but his integrity was never in question.

    Democrats always said they wished more Republicans were like McCain. Until he got the nomination, and he became the anti-Christ.

    . It's really hard for me to believe he could have done a worse job than Obama.
     
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    mccain was a solid guy in 2000. i'd have voted for him then. then he adopted all of the rightwingnut check list....

    and he picked the tweeting twit as his VP... probably the most unpatriotic thing he ever could have done.

    yes, he'd have done a worse job.

    and i still would vote the same way.
     
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    they distory the economy and give us war built on lies then lose the presidency.

    They then wail about the guy who has to clean up the mess they left because hes not cleaning fast enough.

    The WHOLE time they are hiding the brooms and mops and filling the trash cans with water.

    Then they want us to give one of their crazy uncles the job?


    Look you guys cant even field a decent candidate let alone fix what you broke.
     
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    I think you are proving the point of the OP. Thank you.
     
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    Problem is, Obama can't fix it, either. As far as the problem, if you were the least bit honest, you'd admit BOTH parties contributed to the current mess.
     

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