Obama's Science Czar Considered Forced Abortions, Sterilization as Population Growth

[Xenophon]

Over population is probably the single largest problem the human race faces. Considering that we don't allow the weak and the sick to die out, instead using our intelligence to circumvent mother nature, it stands to reason that we now have to use our intelligence to figure out how we will keep the population in check ourselves. We kind of took that responsibility away from nature. Now it's ours to think about. I guess we could outlaw medical care and give that job back to mother nature. The population would thin out according to nature again.

If the planent is too crowded, why don't you step off?

 

[brownlou]

Do you have a copy of this textbook? Did the article show actually passages from the textbook? The article refered to some passages out of context but did not actually show any in the book itself.
Hmmm........
And it is from Fox News?
Sure, I believe it.
I believe it to be another distraction to keep American citizens divided.

 

[Sweet Willy]

Over population is probably the single largest problem the human race faces. Considering that we don't allow the weak and the sick to die out, instead using our intelligence to circumvent mother nature, it stands to reason that we now have to use our intelligence to figure out how we will keep the population in check ourselves. We kind of took that responsibility away from nature. Now it's ours to think about. I guess we could outlaw medical care and give that job back to mother nature. The population would thin out according to nature again.

If the planent is too crowded, why don't you step off?

Only if I get to take a republican under each arm.

 

[Immanuel]

Over population is probably the single largest problem the human race faces. Considering that we don't allow the weak and the sick to die out, instead using our intelligence to circumvent mother nature, it stands to reason that we now have to use our intelligence to figure out how we will keep the population in check ourselves. We kind of took that responsibility away from nature. Now it's ours to think about. I guess we could outlaw medical care and give that job back to mother nature. The population would thin out according to nature again.

Another brilliant thought...strerilization from the far left, and your all for it, more government control. There are no limits for the government is there?
How about a novel idea such as rewarding a husband and wife who choose not to have children? Not like your idea that would end up being government mandated.

If this had come from President Bush's staff, I would have been pissed. As it is, coming from President Obama's staff it just seems as it should be expected. /shrug

sounds like a twisted, out of context, lie to me...but par for the course for FOX

Maybe so, but I would sure like to see the textbook so that I could make up my own mind. Did he advocate it? Did he suggest as Sweet Willy did that it is something we would have to face in the future? Was there a chapter on the possibilities of such things happening? Was he for it or against it?

People have written about where things were going in the future without being thrilled that the future was coming. I'm thinking of people like Nostradamus or the Old Testament Prophets who foretold the enslavement of Israel by the Babylonians.

Immie

 

[Coyote]

Do you have a copy of this textbook? Did the article show actually passages from the textbook? The article refered to some passages out of context but did not actually show any in the book itself.
Hmmm........
And it is from Fox News?
Sure, I believe it.
I believe it to be another distraction to keep American citizens divided.

I think that, as usual - the controversy is an hysterical distortion of what he wrote.

According to: John Holdren - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Overpopulation was an early concern and interest, and in 1969, writing with Paul R. Ehrlich, Holdren claimed that, "if the population control measures are not initiated immediately, and effectively, all the technology man can bring to bear will not fend off the misery to come."[15] In 1973 Holdren encouraged a decline in fertility to well below replacement in the United States, because "210 million now is too many and 280 million in 2040 is likely to be much too many"[16]. Currently, the U.S. population is 306,963,000[17]. In 1977 he co-authored (with Paul R. Ehrlich and Anne H. Ehrlich) Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment,[18] which discussed the possible role of a wide range of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning at one extreme, to enforced population controls at the other extreme.

One of his articles - The No-Growth Society - can be read here: The No-growth society - Google Books

 

[WillowTree]

Do you have a copy of this textbook? Did the article show actually passages from the textbook? The article refered to some passages out of context but did not actually show any in the book itself.
Hmmm........
And it is from Fox News?
Sure, I believe it.
I believe it to be another distraction to keep American citizens divided.

I think that, as usual - the controversy is an hysterical distortion of what he wrote.

According to: John Holdren - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Overpopulation was an early concern and interest, and in 1969, writing with Paul R. Ehrlich, Holdren claimed that, "if the population control measures are not initiated immediately, and effectively, all the technology man can bring to bear will not fend off the misery to come."[15] In 1973 Holdren encouraged a decline in fertility to well below replacement in the United States, because "210 million now is too many and 280 million in 2040 is likely to be much too many"[16]. Currently, the U.S. population is 306,963,000[17]. In 1977 he co-authored (with Paul R. Ehrlich and Anne H. Ehrlich) Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment,[18] which discussed the possible role of a wide range of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning at one extreme, to enforced population controls at the other extreme.

One of his articles - The No-Growth Society - can be read here: The No-growth society - Google Books

oopsie doopsie!

 

[brownlou]

Do you have a copy of this textbook? Did the article show actually passages from the textbook? The article refered to some passages out of context but did not actually show any in the book itself.
Hmmm........
And it is from Fox News?
Sure, I believe it.
I believe it to be another distraction to keep American citizens divided.

I think that, as usual - the controversy is an hysterical distortion of what he wrote.

According to: John Holdren - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Overpopulation was an early concern and interest, and in 1969, writing with Paul R. Ehrlich, Holdren claimed that, "if the population control measures are not initiated immediately, and effectively, all the technology man can bring to bear will not fend off the misery to come."[15] In 1973 Holdren encouraged a decline in fertility to well below replacement in the United States, because "210 million now is too many and 280 million in 2040 is likely to be much too many"[16]. Currently, the U.S. population is 306,963,000[17]. In 1977 he co-authored (with Paul R. Ehrlich and Anne H. Ehrlich) Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment,[18] which discussed the possible role of a wide range of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning at one extreme, to enforced population controls at the other extreme.

One of his articles - The No-Growth Society - can be read here: The No-growth society - Google Books

oopsie doopsie!

Willow--- Your childish behavior just proved my point. American citizens divided.

Coyote gives me an intelligent and well thought out answer with links. The Fox article should have been as good but it went for the sensational. I believe Fox about as much as I believe MSNBC. Both have agendas.
I believe this is not an issue.
In 1977, my hair was almost to my ass. I was smoking dope and bitching about disco music. Now, my hair is almost gone. It's been a couple decades since I smoked a joint and I am deaf in one ear due to occupational hazzards.

 

[WillowTree]

I think that, as usual - the controversy is an hysterical distortion of what he wrote.

According to: John Holdren - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Overpopulation was an early concern and interest, and in 1969, writing with Paul R. Ehrlich, Holdren claimed that, "if the population control measures are not initiated immediately, and effectively, all the technology man can bring to bear will not fend off the misery to come."[15] In 1973 Holdren encouraged a decline in fertility to well below replacement in the United States, because "210 million now is too many and 280 million in 2040 is likely to be much too many"[16]. Currently, the U.S. population is 306,963,000[17]. In 1977 he co-authored (with Paul R. Ehrlich and Anne H. Ehrlich) Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment,[18] which discussed the possible role of a wide range of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning at one extreme, to enforced population controls at the other extreme.

One of his articles - The No-Growth Society - can be read here: The No-growth society - Google Books

oopsie doopsie!

Willow--- Your childish behavior just proved my point. American citizens divided.

Coyote gives me an intelligent and well thought out answer with links. The Fox article should have been as good but it went for the sensational. I believe Fox about as much as I believe MSNBC. Both have agendas.
I believe this is not an issue.
In 1977, my hair was almost to my ass. I was smoking dope and bitching about disco music. Now, my hair is almost gone. It's been a couple decades since I smoked a joint and I am deaf in one ear due to occupational hazzards.

NewsFlash Dahlink,, remember the last eight years? Remember McCain/ Palin, Joe the Plumber, Carrie Prajeen and anybody else who disagress with your sorry liberal azz???? and all you watch is MSNBC and you wonder why we are divided??? and you want to call me childish??? I mock you.

 

[Caligirl]

I kinda wish there were 1/10 the number of people on the planet. This would instantly solve wars, hunger, climate change, and bad traffic. But it's not the sort of thing you can discuss, because there are really no good options and everyone knows that. Adjusting family credits to smaller family size would be a good start though.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

President Obama's "science czar," Paul Holdren, once floated the idea of forced abortions, "compulsory sterilization," and the creation of a "Planetary Regime" that would oversee human population levels and control all natural resources as a means of protecting the planet -- controversial ideas his critics say should have been brought up in his Senate confirmation hearings.

Holdren, who has degrees from MIT and Stanford and headed a science policy program at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government for the past 13 years, won the unanimous approval of the Senate as the president's chief science adviser.

He was confirmed with little fanfare on March 19 as director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy, a 50-person directorate that advises the president on scientific affairs, focusing on energy independence and global warming.

But many of Holdren's radical ideas on population control were not brought up at his confirmation hearings; it appears that the senators who scrutinized him had no knowledge of the contents of a textbook he co-authored in 1977, "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment," a copy of which was obtained by FOXNews.com.

Obama's Science Czar Considered Forced Abortions, Sterilization as Population Growth Solutions - Political News - FOXNews.com

you democwats owe the rest of us an apology!

ROFL... This is simply eugenics... utilitarianism...

This nothing... the next whackjob 'Czar'... Cass Sunstein... 'believes' that animals have 'human rights'... and what's MORE, that some animals have SUPERIOR rights to human beings.

Friends, this is the Animal Farm crowd...

Senator Joe McCarthy warned of the Communists infiltration, 60 years ago... and what we're seeing today, with the appointing of these freak-shows, is simply the results of that generation having tolerated it, instead of snuffing it out.

 

[WillowTree]

President Obama's "science czar," Paul Holdren, once floated the idea of forced abortions, "compulsory sterilization," and the creation of a "Planetary Regime" that would oversee human population levels and control all natural resources as a means of protecting the planet -- controversial ideas his critics say should have been brought up in his Senate confirmation hearings.

Holdren, who has degrees from MIT and Stanford and headed a science policy program at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government for the past 13 years, won the unanimous approval of the Senate as the president's chief science adviser.

He was confirmed with little fanfare on March 19 as director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy, a 50-person directorate that advises the president on scientific affairs, focusing on energy independence and global warming.

But many of Holdren's radical ideas on population control were not brought up at his confirmation hearings; it appears that the senators who scrutinized him had no knowledge of the contents of a textbook he co-authored in 1977, "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment," a copy of which was obtained by FOXNews.com.

Obama's Science Czar Considered Forced Abortions, Sterilization as Population Growth Solutions - Political News - FOXNews.com

you democwats owe the rest of us an apology!

ROFL... This is simply eugenics... utilitarianism...

This nothing... the next whackjob 'Czar'... Cass Sunstein... 'believes' that animals have 'human rights'... and what's MORE, that some animals have SUPERIOR rights to human beings.

Friends, this is the Animal Farm crowd...

Senator Joe McCarthy warned of the Communists infiltration, 60 years ago... and what we're seeing today, with the appointing of these freak-shows, is simply the results of that generation having tolerated it, instead of snuffing it out.

Yes! I just heard that,, on FOX NEWS,, and that includes giving animals the right to sue! goddamn we need some of that fricking koolaid the democwats are dwinking.

 

[brownlou]

oopsie doopsie!

Willow--- Your childish behavior just proved my point. American citizens divided.

Coyote gives me an intelligent and well thought out answer with links. The Fox article should have been as good but it went for the sensational. I believe Fox about as much as I believe MSNBC. Both have agendas.
I believe this is not an issue.
In 1977, my hair was almost to my ass. I was smoking dope and bitching about disco music. Now, my hair is almost gone. It's been a couple decades since I smoked a joint and I am deaf in one ear due to occupational hazzards.

NewsFlash Dahlink,, remember the last eight years? Remember McCain/ Palin, Joe the Plumber, Carrie Prajeen and anybody else who disagress with your sorry liberal azz???? and all you watch is MSNBC and you wonder why we are divided??? and you want to call me childish??? I mock you.

Hmmm.....gibberish...Did Sarah Palin help you write that?

 

[WillowTree]

Willow--- Your childish behavior just proved my point. American citizens divided.

Coyote gives me an intelligent and well thought out answer with links. The Fox article should have been as good but it went for the sensational. I believe Fox about as much as I believe MSNBC. Both have agendas.
I believe this is not an issue.
In 1977, my hair was almost to my ass. I was smoking dope and bitching about disco music. Now, my hair is almost gone. It's been a couple decades since I smoked a joint and I am deaf in one ear due to occupational hazzards.

NewsFlash Dahlink,, remember the last eight years? Remember McCain/ Palin, Joe the Plumber, Carrie Prajeen and anybody else who disagress with your sorry liberal azz???? and all you watch is MSNBC and you wonder why we are divided??? and you want to call me childish??? I mock you.

Hmmm.....gibberish...Did Sarah Palin help you write that?

dwink you some mo kook aid

 

[PoliticalChic]

sounds like a twisted, out of context, lie to me...but par for the course for FOX

Holdren's office issued a statement to FOXNews.com denying that the ecologist has ever backed any of the measures discussed in his book, and suggested reading more recent works authored solely by Holdren for a view to his beliefs.

"Dr. Holdren has stated flatly that he does not now support and has never supported compulsory abortions, compulsory sterilization, or other coercive approaches to limiting population growth," the statement said.

"Straining to conclude otherwise from passages treating controversies of the day in a three-author, 30-year-old textbook is a mistake."

"Holdren's radicalism dates back to the late 1960s. In 1969 Holdren wrote that it was imperative “to convince society and its leaders that there is no alternative but the cessation of our irresponsible, all-demanding, and all-consuming population growth.”

That same year, he and (the now largely discredited) professor of population studies Paul Ehrlich jointly predicted: “If … population control measures are not initiated immediately and effectively, all the technology man can bring to bear will not fend off the misery to come.” In 1971 Holdren and Ehrlich warned that “some form of ecocatastrophe, if not thermonuclear war, seems almost certain to overtake us before the end of the century.”

Viewing capitalism as an economic system that is inherently harmful to the natural environment, Holdren and Ehrlich in 1973 called for “a massive campaign … to de-develop the United States” and other Western nations in order to conserve energy and facilitate growth in underdeveloped countries."
'Science Czar' John P. Holdren's disturbing beliefs about America, capitalism and humanity

"Obama's Science Czar Wrote Book Advocating Forced Abortions, Sterilizing Americans By Poisoning Our Drinking Water "
Ehrlich, Paul R., Anne H. Ehrlich and John P. Holdren; Ecoscience:*... - White House

"He is also one of the main engineers of the Eugenics operation going on right now. A book he authored in 1977 advocates for extreme totalitarian measures to control the population. In this book he wrote that: Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not. The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food. Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise. People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized. A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force."

"Holdren claimed that, "if the population control measures are not initiated immediately, and effectively, all the technology man can bring to bear will not fend off the misery to come."[10] In 1973 Holdren encouraged a decline in fertility to well below replacement in the United States, because "210 million now is too many and 280 million in 2040 is likely to be much too many"[11]. Currently, the U.S. population is 306,924,000[12]. In 1977 he co-authored (with Paul R. Ehrlich and Anne H. Ehrlich) Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment,[13] which discussed the possible role of a wide range of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning at one extreme, to a "planetary regime" of enforced population control at the other extreme."

John Holdren - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Does being spectacularly wrong about a major issue in your field of expertise hurt your chances of becoming the presidential science advisor? Apparently not, judging by reports from DotEarth and ScienceInsider that Barack Obama will name John P. Holdren as his science advisor on Saturday. [UPDATE: Mr. Obama did indeed pick Dr. Holdren.] "

"In 1980 Dr. Holdren helped select five metals — chrome, copper, nickel, tin and tungsten — and joined Dr. Ehrlich and Dr. Harte in betting $1,000 that those metals would be more expensive ten years later. They turned out to be wrong on all five metals, and had to pay up when the bet came due in 1990. "

"Dr. Holdren’s resistance to dissenting views was also on display earlier this year in an article asserting that climate skeptics are “dangerous.” (You can read about the response to that article at DotEarth.)"

Flawed Science Advice for Obama? - TierneyLab Blog - NYTimes.com

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

sounds like a twisted, out of context, lie to me...but par for the course for FOX

Holdren's office issued a statement to FOXNews.com denying that the ecologist has ever backed any of the measures discussed in his book, and suggested reading more recent works authored solely by Holdren for a view to his beliefs.

"Dr. Holdren has stated flatly that he does not now support and has never supported compulsory abortions, compulsory sterilization, or other coercive approaches to limiting population growth," the statement said.

"Straining to conclude otherwise from passages treating controversies of the day in a three-author, 30-year-old textbook is a mistake."

ROFLMNAO...

Isn't it WONDERFUL how these people are FLEEING from their OWN PERSONAL HISTORIES?

Hussein never associated with domestic terrorists... despite his association with Domestic terrorists...

Bill Ayers was never a domestic terrorists, despite being THE LEADER of a group which bombed the US Pentagon and a NY City Police Station... "He was never convicted of anything'... which is true... the liberal judge threw out the evidence which proved he was guilty, because of a technicality relevant to how it was gathered... BUT HIS WIFE WAS CONVICTED...

But that was THEN... He's a English prof' now... can't judge him on THEN... despite his position that HE DIDN'T DO ENOUGH BACK THEN and WISHES HE HAD DONE MORE...

These are dangerous Marxists.... and you've elected them to the highest positions in our government.

Change indeed...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Over population is probably the single largest problem the human race faces. Considering that we don't allow the weak and the sick to die out, instead using our intelligence to circumvent mother nature, it stands to reason that we now have to use our intelligence to figure out how we will keep the population in check ourselves. We kind of took that responsibility away from nature. Now it's ours to think about. I guess we could outlaw medical care and give that job back to mother nature. The population would thin out according to nature again.

If I wanted find a really good essay as an example of an Antisocial Personality Disorder the above would be a perfect fit.

Sweet Willie, and the name is as appropriate as "Tiny" would be for a 6 foot 6, 280 pound linebacker, and Thomas Malthus, and Paul Ehrlich and John P. Holdren, must have studied in the same kindergarten class. Taken as a whole, the planet is far from overcrowded. And food is more plentiful than when Ehrlich wrote "The Population Bomb."

Could Willie's favorite dish be Soylent Green?

And the essay above serves as the outlook of those who put forth the current bill for healthcare 'reform.'
These folks want to kill off the elderly to save money and make room. What is the solution they see? Here is a hint:

Democrat Governor Dick Lamb once created a firestorm in Colorado (a few years after leaving the Governor’s office) when he said: “the elderly have a patriotic duty to die.”

The idea is political one, and based on a) the idea that the elderly have medical requirements greater than the young, and there are greater costs associated with them B) the elderly are no longer contributing to the GDP.
So, we can kill , pun intended, two birds with one stone. Decline to fulfill our promise to the elderly, who have contributed to our great nation, ration healthcare, which means deprive them of the drugs and technology that they need, and encourage them to, as Dick Lamb ordered, do their patriotic duty.

 

[PoliticalChic]

sounds like a twisted, out of context, lie to me...but par for the course for FOX

Holdren's office issued a statement to FOXNews.com denying that the ecologist has ever backed any of the measures discussed in his book, and suggested reading more recent works authored solely by Holdren for a view to his beliefs.

"Dr. Holdren has stated flatly that he does not now support and has never supported compulsory abortions, compulsory sterilization, or other coercive approaches to limiting population growth," the statement said.

"Straining to conclude otherwise from passages treating controversies of the day in a three-author, 30-year-old textbook is a mistake."

ROFLMNAO...

Isn't it WONDERFUL how these people are FLEEING from their OWN PERSONAL HISTORIES?

Hussein never associated with domestic terrorists... despite his association with Domestic terrorists...

Bill Ayers was never a domestic terrorists, despite being THE LEADER of a group which bombed the US Pentagon and a NY City Police Station... "He was never convicted of anything'... which is true... the liberal judge threw out the evidence which proved he was guilty, because of a technicality relevant to how it was gathered... BUT HIS WIFE WAS CONVICTED...

But that was THEN... He's a English prof' now... can't judge him on THEN... despite his position that HE DIDN'T DO ENOUGH BACK THEN and WISHES HE HAD DONE MORE...

These are dangerous Marxists.... and you've elected them to the highest positions in our government.

Change indeed...

Great point about these lefties fleeing from their past, and hiding it from the public, but let's not forget that right-winger Sonia Sotomayor, who disavowed all of her racist, sexist, radical and anti-judicial views at the hearings.

And, perhaps more pertinent to this discussion, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Rahm Emanuel, and appointed to the Office of Management and Budget as health advisor, who believes that doctors should no longer be wedded to the Hippocratic Oath:

"True change, writes Dr. Emanuel, must include reassessing the promise doctors make when they enter the profession, the Hippocratic Oath. Amazingly, Dr. Emanuel criticizes the Hippocratic Oath as partly to blame for the "overuse" of medical care: "Medical school education and post graduate education emphasize thoroughness," he wrote. Physicians take the "Hippocratic Oath's admonition to 'use my power to help the sick to the best of my ability and judgment' as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others." (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008.) Of course that is what patients hope their doctors will do. But Dr. Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their own patient and consider social justice. They should think about whether the money being spent on their patient could be better spent elsewhere. Many doctors are horrified at this notion, and will tell you that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time. "
Defend Your Health Care

 

[KittenKoder]

Know what Willow ... I honestly don't care. I don't like having so many damned hairless apes clogging up my streets ... so meh. Whatever the reasoning, and this is why I supported Bush's war, if it cuts the number of idiots I have to deal with down, I'm all for it. So thanks for giving me a reason to support Obama on one thing.

Eh?...

Are you Serious about that?



peace...

Mal, you're new so I'll clue you in, I don't like humans ... I only tolerate people I don't know. Until I get to know someone, they are just livestock to me. Does that answer your question?

 

[WillowTree]

Know what Willow ... I honestly don't care. I don't like having so many damned hairless apes clogging up my streets ... so meh. Whatever the reasoning, and this is why I supported Bush's war, if it cuts the number of idiots I have to deal with down, I'm all for it. So thanks for giving me a reason to support Obama on one thing.

Eh?...

Are you Serious about that?



peace...

Mal, you're new so I'll clue you in, I don't like humans ... I only tolerate people I don't know. Until I get to know someone, they are just livestock to me. Does that answer your question?

Spoken like a true Nazi!

 

[KittenKoder]

Eh?...

Are you Serious about that?



peace...

Mal, you're new so I'll clue you in, I don't like humans ... I only tolerate people I don't know. Until I get to know someone, they are just livestock to me. Does that answer your question?

Spoken like a true Nazi!

No, Nazis hate everyone but their own kind.

More like "spoken like a true computer chip".