obama's record on the war in Iraq

[rayboyusmc]

Another of your unbiased moderate views I see.

Gunny, you do realize that your views are not exactly unbiased either, RIGHT?

Do you also realize that one can hold different views on different topics?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Gunny, you do realize that your views are not exactly unbiased either, RIGHT?

Do you also realize that one can hold different views on different topics?

You will never find ME claiming I am NOT a Conservative and very right of center. Nor will I pretend I am not saying what it is clear what I am saying.

Your a Liberal and are so embarrassed by that you won't even admit it. Claiming "progressive" instead. Further this board is over flowing with liberals that claim they are moderates.

At least Maineman is open and honest about who and what he is. He does not hide what he believes nor does he imply anything, he states it up front. Jillian is fairly open as well.

 

[jreeves]

Actually, there were two separate amenments to the funding bill up for a vote at the time....

He voted against this one

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/109/senate/2/votes/181/

voted for this one on the same day

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/109/senate/2/votes/182/

(the second one was the amendment supported by the dems. the first one had no support).

You really do need to read, understand and stop flailing.

The problem with voting against timetables then voting for them, is this he has said numerous times that getting our troops out of Iraq is top priority. Also that he would have all of our troops out of Iraq by the end of 2009.(timetable) Why didn't he support a timetable back in June of '06? Let me answer that because it was politically advanteous for him to say it in the Democratic primaries. His vote in June '06 that urged the President to withdrawl troops is something that everyone wants to see eventually. Let me make it clear I don't support pulling out of Iraq and leaving a mess.

 

[jreeves]

I'm very comfortable with the GOP running a totally pro-Iraq war hawk candidate, while republicans complain that Obama isn't anti-war enough.

LOL. That's a debate I'm very comfortable having.

No it shows that Obama is only politically motivated and is not a true leader. His positions change with the polls. That is debate that I welcome. Obama and Clinton our both theives they want to raise our taxes in order to give it out as hand outs to lazy individuals. Hence, universal healthcare, get a job that has benefits. You can't even pay for Social Security and Medicare why start a new beaucratic social program?

 

[DeadCanDance]

No it shows that Obama is only politically motivated and is not a true leader. His positions change with the polls. That is debate that I welcome. Obama and Clinton our both theives they want to raise our taxes in order to give it out as hand outs to lazy individuals. Hence, universal healthcare, get a job that has benefits. You can't even pay for Social Security and Medicare why start a new beaucratic social program?

McCain has been the greatest flip flopper in presidential campaign history, outside of mitt willard romney. On immigration, on taxes, on torture, on the religious rightwing. So if your outraged by flip flopping, I'm sure you'll be posting mccain flip flop threads.

 

[jreeves]

McCain has been the greatest flip flopper in presidential campaign history, outside of mitt willard romney. On immigration, on taxes, on torture, on the religious rightwing. So if your outraged by flip flopping, I'm sure you'll be posting mccain flip flop threads.

Mccain hasn't flipped flopped I challenge you to show me?

 

[Shogun]

google is your friend.

 

[DeadCanDance]

Mccain hasn't flipped flopped, I challenge you to show me?

LMAO!

 

[jreeves]

LMAO!

Lmao...too No proof just accusations.

 

[jreeves]

google is your friend.

I didn't make the accusation.

 

[Shogun]

I appreciate how important diving to the bottom of the accusation seems to be to you. Clearly, if you've never seen it then it must not exist.

 

[rayboyusmc]

Your a Liberal and are so embarrassed by that you won't even admit it.

Not really. That is one of those figments of your right wing spin theory. They have tried to make the words liberal and progressive dirty words. It's sad that some people have fallen for their crap. Your side is too homogenous and can't accept that the other side of how people see the world is very different than yours.

Progressivism is a term that refers to a broad school of international social and political philosophies. The term progressive was first widely used in late 19th century America, in reference to a general branch of political thought which arose as a response to the vast changes brought by industrialization, and as an alternative both to the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more or less radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties such as the American Progressive Party organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.[1]

Progressivism historically advocates the advancement of workers' rights and social justice. The progressives were early proponents of anti-trust laws and the regulation of large corporations and monopolies, as well as government-funded environmentalism and the creation of National Parks and Wildlife Refuges.

Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.[1] Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment.

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government.[2] All liberals — as well as some adherents of other political ideologies — support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[3]

Liberalism rejected many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, and established religion. Social progressivism, the belief that traditions do not carry any inherent value and social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity, is a common component of liberal ideology. Liberalism is also strongly associated with the belief that human society should be organized in accordance with certain unchangeable and inviolable rights. Different schools of liberalism are based on different conceptions of human rights, but there are some rights that all liberals support to some extent, including rights to life, liberty, and property.

I would never want to be a Conservative. I am proud to be a liberal and progressive like our founding fathers & mothers were. If they were conservatives we would still be speaking real English.

Yet, compared to you and some of the far left, I am a moderate.

You just don't get it. Anyone who is not in love with Bush is a left wing extremist in your view.

But I enjoy the dialogue anyway.

Just don't get your skivvies in such a knot, Gunny. It's okay to disagree. That's what this country was founded on.

Holding on the status quo so strongly is called entropy.

 

[jillian]

Lmao...too No proof just accusations.

Please tell me you're kidding...

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

flip -- flop!

 

[jreeves]

I appreciate how important diving to the bottom of the accusation seems to be to you. Clearly, if you've never seen it then it must not exist.

Show proof not talking my friend.

 

[jreeves]

Please tell me you're kidding...

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

flip -- flop!

You and try to claim MCcain is a flip-flopper by using a liberal blogger. It seems as though there is more MCcain is this and that than actual quotes and evidence. I showed you actual votes in the Senate to show you Obama flip flopped not liberalistic propaganda.

 

[Gunny]

That is EXACTLY what Obama plans.

Perhaps, but I doubt the Democrats will let him. They haven't forgotten the backlash from Vietnam ...yet.

 

[steeliniraq]

I don't care what any of their records on Iraq are. I want to hear their plans for turning Iraq's factional infighting over to the Iraqi gov't to handle, and disengaging our armed forces from the mess.

Just to be clear, cutting and running is NOT an option, IMO. So anyone offering that and wants MY ear needs to start with Plan B.

I havent heard of any real plans for that! All I have heard is cut and run. In the short term that will get him elected but in the long term, well, we will be back over there.

 

[Teri B.]

Not really. That is one of those figments of your right wing spin theory. They have tried to make the words liberal and progressive dirty words. It's sad that some people have fallen for their crap. Your side is too homogenous and can't accept that the other side of how people see the world is very different than yours.





I would never want to be a Conservative. I am proud to be a liberal and progressive like our founding fathers & mothers were. If they were conservatives we would still be speaking real English.

Yet, compared to you and some of the far left, I am a moderate.

You just don't get it. Anyone who is not in love with Bush is a left wing extremist in your view.

But I enjoy the dialogue anyway.

Just don't get your skivvies in such a knot, Gunny. It's okay to disagree. That's what this country was founded on.

Holding on the status quo so strongly is called entropy.

Bush isn't a conservative. Even William F. Buckley, the father of conservatism, doesn't think Bush is a conservative. What happened to no nation building, small government, individual and state's rights, fiscal responsibility, etc.?