Obama's Medicare Problem

[VaYank5150]

Accountable Care Organizations ... Medicare beneficiaries are going to be assigned to them involuntarily by the government. Thus, many seniors who today enjoy complete freedom of choice of physicians could find themselves in an ACO in which their physician has a financial incentive to steer them away from the specialists they have normally used for care.

The Medicare Advantage (MA) program allows Medicare beneficiaries to voluntarily elect to take their Medicare entitlement in the form of a fixed monthly payment to an authorized private insurance plan. ObamaCare drastically reduces payments to MA plans. On average, MA enrollees will lose $3,714 worth of extra services by 2017 due to the MA reductions in ObamaCare. These reductions will also mean that 7.4 million beneficiaries who would have enrolled in MA in 2017 will be forced into less preferable options by the MA cuts. That’s a full 50% reduction in expected MA enrollment.


The Medicare drug benefit, enacted in 2003, provides insurance coverage for annual above a deductible but below $2,700 and above $6,154 (these are 2009 levels). The gap between $2,700 and $6,154 is called the “donut hole.” ObamaCare phases out this gap by gradually increasing the $2,700 limit.

The Congressional Budget Office has determined that this plan will raise per prescription costs in Medicare because it will discourage generic substitution in the “donut hole.” With full government-subsidized insurance coverage, many seniors will end up using more expensive branded products with no measurable change in the quality of their care.

Medicare | ObamaCare Watch

So Yank ... please tell us all which benefits, specifically, will be cut with Romney/Ryan.

Nothing in your piece talks about losing (cutting) of benefits. Please specifically state which ones have been and which ones will be lost. Then I'll explain Ryan's plan to eliminate MediCare altogether and move to a private voucher system, as he rolled it out...

are you stupid or something? Don't bother posting anything else. It's obvious you live in a fantasy world.

Run away....run away...pretty sad coming from a Buckeye.

 

[onecut39]

obama's plan is to take the entirety of medicare and fold it all into obamacare making seniors who paid into the system compete for health care with people illegally here and their many children. Right now, the entitlement for the poor is limited to medicaid keeping the billions earmarked for medicare outside their reach.

Were that to happen, and I don't think it will, it would result in huge savings. We could call it "medicare for all" and make it a single payer system.

 

[Full-Auto]

Nothing in your piece talks about losing (cutting) of benefits. Please specifically state which ones have been and which ones will be lost. Then I'll explain Ryan's plan to eliminate MediCare altogether and move to a private voucher system, as he rolled it out...

are you stupid or something? Don't bother posting anything else. It's obvious you live in a fantasy world.

Run away....run away...pretty sad coming from a Buckeye.

Highlighting your ignorance doesnt win the debate...............

 

[Leweman]

Nothing in your piece talks about losing (cutting) of benefits. Please specifically state which ones have been and which ones will be lost. Then I'll explain Ryan's plan to eliminate MediCare altogether and move to a private voucher system, as he rolled it out...

are you stupid or something? Don't bother posting anything else. It's obvious you live in a fantasy world.

Run away....run away...pretty sad coming from a Buckeye.

Hey you're the one who proved to be either ignorant or dishonest ... what's the point debating when you ignore reality? Someone like you doesn't deserve to speak the word Buckeye.

 

[BlindBoo]

These guys are out of control.

As is becoming increasingly clear to anyone paying attention to the 2012 presidential election, the Ryan/Romney campaign has given up all hope of winning on the issues and on their record and have resorted to unprecedented lying — literally making things up about President Obama and then putting it out as truth in stump speeches, online videos, television ads, appearances by surrogates on news programs and in fundraising emails.

Romney Campaign Lying Left and Right to Beat Obama

The Ryan/Romney campaign is claiming that President Obama stripped $716 billion out of Medicare benefits “to pay for Obamacare”.

This is a lie.

Also, those same cuts, which I’ll describe in a moment, are in the Ryan budget plan that Mitt Romney has endorsed.

 

[Full-Auto]

These guys are out of control.

As is becoming increasingly clear to anyone paying attention to the 2012 presidential election, the Ryan/Romney campaign has given up all hope of winning on the issues and on their record and have resorted to unprecedented lying — literally making things up about President Obama and then putting it out as truth in stump speeches, online videos, television ads, appearances by surrogates on news programs and in fundraising emails.

Romney Campaign Lying Left and Right to Beat Obama

The Ryan/Romney campaign is claiming that President Obama stripped $716 billion out of Medicare benefits “to pay for Obamacare”.

This is a lie.

Also, those same cuts, which I’ll describe in a moment, are in the Ryan budget plan that Mitt Romney has endorsed.

.................................................You are a fruit cake.........

 

[Leweman]

These guys are out of control.

As is becoming increasingly clear to anyone paying attention to the 2012 presidential election, the Ryan/Romney campaign has given up all hope of winning on the issues and on their record and have resorted to unprecedented lying — literally making things up about President Obama and then putting it out as truth in stump speeches, online videos, television ads, appearances by surrogates on news programs and in fundraising emails.

Romney Campaign Lying Left and Right to Beat Obama

The Ryan/Romney campaign is claiming that President Obama stripped $716 billion out of Medicare benefits “to pay for Obamacare”.

This is a lie.

Also, those same cuts, which I’ll describe in a moment, are in the Ryan budget plan that Mitt Romney has endorsed.

So which is it?

 

[BlindBoo]

These guys are out of control.

As is becoming increasingly clear to anyone paying attention to the 2012 presidential election, the Ryan/Romney campaign has given up all hope of winning on the issues and on their record and have resorted to unprecedented lying — literally making things up about President Obama and then putting it out as truth in stump speeches, online videos, television ads, appearances by surrogates on news programs and in fundraising emails.

Romney Campaign Lying Left and Right to Beat Obama

The Ryan/Romney campaign is claiming that President Obama stripped $716 billion out of Medicare benefits “to pay for Obamacare”.

This is a lie.

Also, those same cuts, which I’ll describe in a moment, are in the Ryan budget plan that Mitt Romney has endorsed.

So which is it?

Both left and right.

 

[BlindBoo]

These guys are out of control.

As is becoming increasingly clear to anyone paying attention to the 2012 presidential election, the Ryan/Romney campaign has given up all hope of winning on the issues and on their record and have resorted to unprecedented lying — literally making things up about President Obama and then putting it out as truth in stump speeches, online videos, television ads, appearances by surrogates on news programs and in fundraising emails.

Romney Campaign Lying Left and Right to Beat Obama

The Ryan/Romney campaign is claiming that President Obama stripped $716 billion out of Medicare benefits “to pay for Obamacare”.

This is a lie.

Also, those same cuts, which I’ll describe in a moment, are in the Ryan budget plan that Mitt Romney has endorsed.

.................................................You are a fruit cake.........

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[Leweman]

These guys are out of control.

As is becoming increasingly clear to anyone paying attention to the 2012 presidential election, the Ryan/Romney campaign has given up all hope of winning on the issues and on their record and have resorted to unprecedented lying — literally making things up about President Obama and then putting it out as truth in stump speeches, online videos, television ads, appearances by surrogates on news programs and in fundraising emails.

Romney Campaign Lying Left and Right to Beat Obama

The Ryan/Romney campaign is claiming that President Obama stripped $716 billion out of Medicare benefits “to pay for Obamacare”.

This is a lie.

Also, those same cuts, which I’ll describe in a moment, are in the Ryan budget plan that Mitt Romney has endorsed.

So which is it?

Both left and right.

so its okay for Obama to keep lying about Ryans plan for medicare but not okay for Ryan to tell the truth about what Obama has done?

 

[BlindBoo]

So which is it?

Both left and right.

so its okay for Obama to keep lying about Ryans plan for medicare but not okay for Ryan to tell the truth about what Obama has done?

Paul Ryan’s budget keeps Obama’s Medicare cuts. Full stop.

 

[WillowTree]

The Obama approach involves (at best) doing nothing to change our long-term fiscal problems, because it cuts Medicare by $716 billion in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending. The Romney and Ryan approaches involve resolving our long-term fiscal problems, by stabilizing entitlements and reducing the deficit.

Obamacare emphasizes government control and central planning. The law empowers a panel of 15 unelected government officials, called the Independent Payment Advisory Board, to make changes to the Medicare program that will reduce Medicare spending: primarily paying doctors and hospitals less, as is done with the Medicaid program. Over time, liberal health-policy types hope that IPAB can be used to introduce rationing into Medicare, using the panel to determine what types of procedures and treatments that Medicare will and will not pay for.

Yes, Obamacare Cuts Medicare More Than President Romney Would - Forbes

President Obama in 2009 Pledged to Veto Attempts to Undo Medicare Cuts - ABC News

700 billion looted from medicare and 700 billion in new taxes to fund his aca.. yep he's stolen from us and taxed the piss out of us.

 

[Leweman]

Both left and right.

so its okay for Obama to keep lying about Ryans plan for medicare but not okay for Ryan to tell the truth about what Obama has done?

Paul Ryan’s budget keeps Obama’s Medicare cuts. Full stop.

So your saying Obama wants to throw old ladies off a cliff?

 

[Lakhota]

Jerry, just remember. It's not a lie... if you believe it... - YouTube

 

[Lakhota]

Why does a religious man like Romney continue to lie about Obama regarding Medicare and Obamacare?

The Romney campaign’s new ad blitz reinforces its latest attack – that President Obama cut Medicare spending by $716 billion – with an ominous warning to seniors. But the Affordable Care Act’s cuts and other Medicare reforms don’t touch benefits, they target waste in provider payments. In fact, the totality of Obama’s Medicare reforms expand benefits for seniors and lower out-of-pocket costs. The Affordable Care Act actually enhances Medicare benefits by closing the prescription drug coverage gap known as the “doughnut hole” and expanding free preventive services, including an annual wellness visit.

More: Obama’s Medicare Reforms Expanded, Not Cut, Benefits For Seniors | TPMDC

 

[Lakhota]

CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien debunked the pervasive right-wing media falsehood that President Obama "stole $700 billion" from Medicare.

Right-wing media have repeatedly claimed that the Medicare savings included in Obama's Affordable Care Act (ACA) "gutted" the Medicare program. However, on CNN's Starting Point, when Romney senior adviser John Sununu claimed that Obama "gutted Medicare by taking $717 billion out of it," O'Brien was quick to correct him.

O'Brien pointed out that Sununu's talking point has been debunked by the Congressional Budget Office, which found that the Medicare savings in the ACA are not cuts, but rather a reduction in the expected rate of growth of the program.

O'Brien also noted that independent fact-checkers have found that the Affordable Care Act does not cut Medicare benefits. These fact-checkers also determined that the claim that hundreds of billions of dollars have been cut from Medicare is outright false.

When Sununu continued to claim that Obama had gutted Medicare, O'Brien confronted him with even more facts, citing evidence that drug providers and hospitals agreed to the Medicare savings because their "theory is that what they're going to be able to do is make up by the number of people who come into the system. It doesn't reduce or cut the benefits.

More by Medody Johnson: CNN's O'Brien Corrects Right-Wing Media Medicare Falsehood | Blog | Media Matters for America

 

[Lakhota]

How Romney Gets Away With His Blatant Welfare Lie

 

[BlindBoo]

so its okay for Obama to keep lying about Ryans plan for medicare but not okay for Ryan to tell the truth about what Obama has done?

Paul Ryan’s budget keeps Obama’s Medicare cuts. Full stop.

So your saying Obama wants to throw old ladies off a cliff?

"Only the wheelchair bound ones".

Didn't read the fine print did-ja?

 

[WillowTree]

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[Leweman]

Paul Ryan’s budget keeps Obama’s Medicare cuts. Full stop.

So your saying Obama wants to throw old ladies off a cliff?

"Only the wheelchair bound ones".

Didn't read the fine print did-ja?

didn't read the fine print did ja?