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And the Greek version is a translation of Hebrew/AramaicYou do realize the NT in english is a translation?Ohhh that is sooooo lame.
why wouldn't he say before Abraham was God IS rather than I AM.
People in the middle east think and talk and express things in a different idiomatic way than we do.
Oh please don't give me that BS
It is an english translation of the GREEK and if you look at the GREEK you will see the words εγω (I) and ειμι (exist or am).
Even the Jews at the time knew he was claiming to be God.
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
-John 10:30-33
Once again, Jesus did not say he was God or claim to be God.
Other people my have said it or implied it.
But Jesus never said it. Period
Not what I said or ment. And you know it.Even the Jews at the time knew he was claiming to be God.
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
-John 10:30-33
Once again, Jesus did not say he was God or claim to be God.
Other people my have said it or implied it.
But Jesus never said it. Period
And as you said... the people of the time would have known what he was talking about.
All Jesus was saying: was that before Abraham, there was God58 Jesus said to them, Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.
He didn't say He was God
yeah, right, like saying God was before Abraham deserves stoning.
Even the Jews at the time knew he was claiming to be God.
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
-John 10:30-33
Once again, Jesus did not say he was God or claim to be God.
Other people my have said it or implied it.
But Jesus never said it. Period
And as you said... the people of the time would have known what he was talking about.
When Jesus was praying in the "Garden of Geseme"
Who was he praying to?
Christians say Jesus is God.
Was he praying to himself?
Man, I am so glad Islam found me!!!
Reading these last few posts just reminds me of the dark days.
When I was caught up in the mixed up nonsense called Christianity.
Islam was truely a breath of fresh air.
Yea, because the nonesense of the Pedophile Prophet make so much more sense!
I imagine it is. That would be because it's true.Yup thats the typical response of Muslims.
The Qur'an contains Muhammad's (SAW) recitation of the word of Allah (SWT.) All subsequent writings, including ahadith, were non-divine.Although I am curious, if anything written by man is "error-prone", why is our friend Muhammed's writtings immune to error? Was he not human?
An understanding of a particular passage that contradicts your preconceived notion of Islam sanctioning "pedophilia" is not a lie.Another blantant lie.
Everybody at the time was a recent convert.No where in those passages does it speak of "recent converts".
That is the same hadith. Imam Muslim's Sahih (which you failed to cite properly,) Bukhari's Sahih, and Abu Dawud's Sunan included many of the same ahadith, their respective authors probably being given the same information, as all three lived during the same time period. Moreover, Abu Dawud made it clear that not all of the ahadith in his collection are authentic.There are other sources that cite her age as 9.
If I was interested in ignoring anything, I wouldn't have responded to you in the first place.Can't say I blame you for wanting to just ignore the testamony.
All Jesus was saying: was that before Abraham, there was God
He didn't say He was God
yeah, right, like saying God was before Abraham deserves stoning.
In their minds, yes
Man, I am so glad Islam found me!!!
Reading these last few posts just reminds me of the dark days.
When I was caught up in the mixed up nonsense called Christianity.
Islam was truely a breath of fresh air.
Yea, because the nonesense of the Pedophile Prophet make so much more sense!
You know what I find so telling is that Christians like to malign and insult and use foul language towards a prophet who is held dear and highly respected by at least quite literally a billion people...showing a lack of respect, caring and tolerance for others sharing the planet with them.
And yet....I never hear Muslims speaking in a nasty way about Jesus or other prophets and holy men that are revered by millions.
I think it shows a real lack of understanding of what the message of Jesus was.
Jesus would not be proud.
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For the record, I think Obama needs to do something more drastic to pressure Israel to stop the illegal settlements.
women and children raped by Mohammed.
You know what I find so telling is that Christians like to malign and insult and use foul language towards a prophet who is held dear and highly respected by at least quite literally a billion people...showing a lack of respect, caring and tolerance for others sharing the planet with them.
And yet....I never hear Muslims speaking in a nasty way about Jesus or other prophets and holy men that are revered by millions.
I think it shows a real lack of understanding of what the message of Jesus was.
Jesus would not be proud.
Which leads to the biggest contradiction in Islam, if you believe all those prophets in the OT were speaking the truth, why do Muslims not believe in the coming of a Messiah? Even Jews believe there is a Messiah coming.Muslims are taught that all of the prophets of the Old Testament ie. Abraham, Moses, Adam, Lot, Noah, etc. Are to be spoken about with only admiration and respect.
Same with Jesus. You will never hear a Muslim say anything derogatory or disparaging towards Jesus. As we reverence him just the same as the others.
Typical anti-Christian response, if a Christian dare reject lies they claim that Jesus would of never had done it in the manner we do. I don't know what you expect us to do, start speaking in parables?Saddly, many Christians didn't follow the example of Jesus in this respect. And exhibit more hate than love towards other people and what they hold sacred.
Many of the books in the NT were written by Paul.
And most of Christian theology is based on the teachings of Paul.
Yet Paul never meet Jesus in the flesh.
Many of the books in the NT were written by Paul.
And most of Christian theology is based on the teachings of Paul.
Yet Paul never meet Jesus in the flesh.
Paul claims to have heard a voice that he thought was Jesus.Many of the books in the NT were written by Paul.
And most of Christian theology is based on the teachings of Paul.
Yet Paul never meet Jesus in the flesh.
Except for on the road to Damascus.
