Obama's Health Rationer-in-Chief....up close and in person

[Contumacious]

Selective quoting. Intellectual dishonesty.

Medians, of course, obscure the individual cases where the drug significantly extended or saved a life. Dr. Emanuel says the United States should erect a decision-making body similar to the United Kingdom's rationing body—the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE)—to slow the adoption of new medications and set limits on how much will be paid to lengthen a life

 

[Diuretic]

This is the point. At times medical resources are scarce. Those resources could be vaccines or organs and so on. The question is, how, when those resources are scarce, should they be allocated?

Emanuel - as well as others - are trying to work out the principles for such allocation. It's easy for McCaughey or others to quote out of context and to condemn. But are they trying to grapple with the questions?

 

[Polk]

Yeah, Betsy "Death Panels" McCaughey is a really objective source.

 

[Polk]

Once you read what he's written, Ezekiel Emanuel is the closest thing we've seen to a real Nazi in 60 years

The Jewish Nazi. I hope I'm not the only one that sees the irony.

 

[Polk]

This is the point. At times medical resources are scarce. Those resources could be vaccines or organs and so on. The question is, how, when those resources are scarce, should they be allocated?

Emanuel - as well as others - are trying to work out the principles for such allocation. It's easy for McCaughey or others to quote out of context and to condemn. But are they trying to grapple with the questions?

You're a Nazi for not thinking resources are infinite.

 

[Diuretic]

The Nazi references from the reactionaries are a hoot. Their deepest fears are welling up, pants-pissing stuff this

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ezekiel Emanuel, Jew or not, could have worked right alongside Josef Mengele. His love and passion for Eugenics just pours through every sentence he writes.

Putting him in charge of "Health Care" is like letting Mohammad Atta take flying lessons again. You're really not going to like what comes next.

 

[Contumacious]

This is the point. At times medical resources are scarce. Those resources could be vaccines or organs and so on. The question is, how, when those resources are scarce, should they be allocated?

Emanuel - as well as others - are trying to work out the principles for such allocation. It's easy for McCaughey or others to quote out of context and to condemn. But are they trying to grapple with the questions?

You're a Nazi for not thinking resources are infinite.

Dr. Emanuel's assessment of American medical care is summed up in a Nov. 23, 2008, Washington Post op-ed he co-authored: "The United States is No. 1 in only one sense: the amount we shell out for health care. We have the most expensive system in the world per capita, but we lag behind many developed nations on virtually every health statistic you can name."


This is untrue, though sadly it's parroted at town-hall meetings across the country. Moreover, it's an odd factual error coming from an oncologist. According to an August 2009 report from the National Bureau of Economic Research, patients diagnosed with cancer in the U.S. have a better chance of surviving the disease than anywhere else. The World Health Organization also rates the U.S. No. 1 out of 191 countries for responsiveness to the needs and choices of the individual patient. That attention to the individual is imperiled by Dr. Emanuel's views.

 

[Polk]

First, he said "virtually every statistic" not every statistic. That one word creates a world of difference in meaning. Second, not that's a better chance among those diagnosed. Once you factor in the people that never get diagnosed because they can't afford a trip to the doctor, those numbers don't look nearly as good.

 

[Contumacious]

Dr. Emanuel has fought for a government takeover of health care for over a decade. In 1993, he urged that President Bill Clinton impose a wage and price freeze on health care to force parties to the table. "The desire to be rid of the freeze will do much to concentrate the mind," he wrote with another author in a Feb. 8, 1993, Washington Post op-ed. Now he recommends arm-twisting Chicago style. "Every favor to a constituency should be linked to support for the health-care reform agenda," he wrote last Nov. 16 in the Health Care Watch Blog. "If the automakers want a bailout, then they and their suppliers have to agree to support and lobby for the administration's health-reform effort."

Is this what Americans want?

 

[Diuretic]

Again selective quoting, this time statistics.

If you're looking at health care as a system then it has to be treated as a system. Yours is fucked, as a system.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Again selective quoting, this time statistics.

If you're looking at health care as a system then it has to be treated as a system. Yours is fucked, as a system.

Remind me, where did Ted Kennedy go for treatment? Britain? Canada? Mexico?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This is the point. At times medical resources are scarce. Those resources could be vaccines or organs and so on. The question is, how, when those resources are scarce, should they be allocated?

Emanuel - as well as others - are trying to work out the principles for such allocation. It's easy for McCaughey or others to quote out of context and to condemn. But are they trying to grapple with the questions?

You're a Nazi for not thinking resources are infinite.

Wait, lemme see if I understand this: the USA spends way too much on healthcare but the resources are scarce?

Is that about right?

 

[Diuretic]

Again selective quoting, this time statistics.

If you're looking at health care as a system then it has to be treated as a system. Yours is fucked, as a system.

Remind me, where did Ted Kennedy go for treatment? Britain? Canada? Mexico?

So what? I referred to the "system", not the quality of care available to the wealthy. The US has excellent, world-class medical care.

 

[Diuretic]

This is the point. At times medical resources are scarce. Those resources could be vaccines or organs and so on. The question is, how, when those resources are scarce, should they be allocated?

Emanuel - as well as others - are trying to work out the principles for such allocation. It's easy for McCaughey or others to quote out of context and to condemn. But are they trying to grapple with the questions?

You're a Nazi for not thinking resources are infinite.

Wait, lemme see if I understand this: the USA spends way too much on healthcare but the resources are scarce?

Is that about right?

Yep - unlike China you don't harvest vital organs from prisoners. Yours is not a totalitarian state.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Again selective quoting, this time statistics.

If you're looking at health care as a system then it has to be treated as a system. Yours is fucked, as a system.

Remind me, where did Ted Kennedy go for treatment? Britain? Canada? Mexico?

So what? I referred to the "system", not the quality of care available to the wealthy. The US has excellent, world-class medical care.

Did you try to blow yourself up with that post because you did a great job of it

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You're a Nazi for not thinking resources are infinite.

Wait, lemme see if I understand this: the USA spends way too much on healthcare but the resources are scarce?

Is that about right?

Yep - unlike China you don't harvest vital organs from prisoners. Yours is not a totalitarian state.

Wait, we have a shortage of vital organs? Is that what you're saying?

China has a better system and more resources? Is that what you're saying?

 

[Diuretic]

Remind me, where did Ted Kennedy go for treatment? Britain? Canada? Mexico?

So what? I referred to the "system", not the quality of care available to the wealthy. The US has excellent, world-class medical care.

Did you try to blow yourself up with that post because you did a great job of it

No on point response

 

[Diuretic]

Wait, lemme see if I understand this: the USA spends way too much on healthcare but the resources are scarce?

Is that about right?

Yep - unlike China you don't harvest vital organs from prisoners. Yours is not a totalitarian state.

Wait, we have a shortage of vital organs? Is that what you're saying?

China has a better system and more resources? Is that what you're saying?

No.

No and no.

 

[KittenKoder]

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It's Obama's health plan!