Obama's Global Popularity Continues to Make Al Qaeda Nervous

[Iriemon]

I have absolutely no idea if Obama is more popular in the Islamic community or not, and frankly I'm dubious anyone really knows, either.

But Islamic terrorism is a POLTICAL MOVEMENT.

Hence popularity and public opinion, both about the terrorists' organization and their enemies, matters as much to Al Qaeda as it does to the US government.

These so called wars are really idealogical battles for the HEARTS AND MINDS of the people, folks.

In fact, that was one of my prime complaints about Bush II administration's approach and attitude.

They seemed to be of the opinion that the hearts and minds of the people in Islamia weren't important, and that our MILITARY adventures were all that mattered.

Hence Bush II won the WAR in Iraq, and lost the peace.

That POTUS and his advisors were a menace to America's reputation worlwide.

And that reputation DOES matter because international relations depend more on international goodwill and cooperation than it does on boot on the ground, planes in the air, or ships at sea.

We cannot BULLY the entire world, folks.

Putting aside my reservations about bullyism anyway, pure force and intimidation will NOT win this ongoing battle of ideologies that we WILL be waging for (my guess) the rest of this century.

What do you folks think Rosetta Project is all about, folks? Do you really think all it is is a collection of old books?!

Do you not understand that it is, in part, my attempt to help western civilization win BACK some of the hearts and minds that have been lost as a result of our goofy military adventurism?

The West lost its dominant position in the world, folks.

Colonialization is dead, economic imperialism is likewise a foolish approach to dealing with this rapidly evolving world we are facing. (We're losing that battle anway, thanls to the stupidity and greed of our leaders!)

Mankind either learns to live together in relative peace or this century will be mankind's last century on earth.

We are NOT going to end nuclear proliferation, and technology probably has even WORSE potential weapons waiting for us in the wings. Weapons that will not take a superpower economy or superpower military to create and use, either.

The sooner we learn that the battle we will fight will ALWAYS be battle for hearts and minds, the better.

You lefties are so afraid to die that you do not live, way to many never voluntered for the Military,do not believe in god,kill babies(this one is real weird abortion OK tourture bad) blow there brains out in LA and NY with all kind of chemicals,sleep around with any sex
No wonder you afraid to die you migh have to face the almighty.
Just a few observations.

Looks the opposite to me. It's not the Lefties here that are willing to soil America's reputation with torture because we are paranoid about another terrorist attack. I see more on the right that seem terrified of the terrorist.

Just an observation.

 

[Chris]

Studies have shown that conservatives are more afraid of the world than liberals.

That's why they need guns and safety rooms.

 

[raceright]

Studies have shown that conservatives are more afraid of the world than liberals.

That's why they need guns and safety rooms.

So what Branch of the Military did you and iriemon serve in and what war have you missed or fought in.
We have guns for various reasons and one main one is not because of fear but to stop Tyranny--might still see it in my lifetime.
You let the Goverment protect you we feel it is our responsibility to be ready to defend our self---maybe the biggest difference between us.

But answer me this why is abortion Ok but a little waterboarding is Bad????

 

[DiveCon]

Studies have shown that conservatives are more afraid of the world than liberals.

That's why they need guns and safety rooms.

So what Branch of the Military did you and iriemon serve in and what war have you missed or fought in.
We have guns for various reasons and one main one is not because of fear but to stop Tyranny--might still see it in my lifetime.
You let the Goverment protect you we feel it is our responsibility to be ready to defend our self---maybe the biggest difference between us.

But answer me this why is abortion Ok but a little waterboarding is Bad????

chris the moron confuses patriotism with fear

 

[Iriemon]

Studies have shown that conservatives are more afraid of the world than liberals.

That's why they need guns and safety rooms.

So what Branch of the Military did you and iriemon serve in and what war have you missed or fought in.
We have guns for various reasons and one main one is not because of fear but to stop Tyranny--might still see it in my lifetime.
You let the Goverment protect you we feel it is our responsibility to be ready to defend our self---maybe the biggest difference between us.

Sure we defend ourselves. But I'm not going to let the fear of terrorism compromise important principles. If you change your principles because you are terrorised by the terrorists the terrorist win.

But answer me this why is abortion Ok but a little waterboarding is Bad????

Torture is deliberate cruelty. Our founders were so concerned about it they put an amendment in the constitution specifically addressed to it, the 8th amendment.

Virginians such as George Mason and Patrick Henry wanted to ensure that this restriction would also be applied as a limitation on Congress. Mason warned that, otherwise, Congress may “inflict unusual and severe punishments.”[6] Henry made the same point: "What has distinguished our ancestors?--That they would not admit of tortures, or cruel and barbarous punishment. But Congress may introduce the practice of the civil law, in preference to that of the common law. They may introduce the practice of France, Spain, and Germany...."[7] Ultimately, Henry and Mason prevailed, and the Eighth Amendment was adopted.

Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Our immediate forebears condemned by prosecuting war crimes for it.

For what I've read about it, I wouldn't want a rule where it could be legitimately applied to US soldiers or civilians.

 

[raceright]

You talk about principals we oviously have a different belief here.
Waterboarding Bad (you think its so bad you call it toture) Abotion OK--yep a wide difference here.

You say
Torture is deliberate cruelty. Our founders were so concerned about it they put an amendment in the constitution specifically addressed to it, the 8th amendment.
I don't think they mean waterboarding.
My first point fight a war and then tell me how you feel about getting info from the enemy to save your buddies lives and in this case maybe your families life--have to walk in soldiers shoes to understand this.

 

[k2skier]

You talk about principals we oviously have a different belief here.
Waterboarding Bad (you think its so bad you call it toture) Abotion OK--yep a wide difference here.

You say
Torture is deliberate cruelty. Our founders were so concerned about it they put an amendment in the constitution specifically addressed to it, the 8th amendment.
I don't think they mean waterboarding.
My first point fight a war and then tell me how you feel about getting info from the enemy to save your buddies lives and in this case maybe your families life--have to walk in soldiers shoes to understand this.

When we torture, (IE waterboard) we lower ourselves to the standards, (or below in most cases) of the enemy. Intel gathered from someone being tortured isn't very reliable, you of all people should know that.

 

[Iriemon]

You talk about principals we oviously have a different belief here.
Waterboarding Bad (you think its so bad you call it toture) Abotion OK--yep a wide difference here.

This thread is about waterboarding, not abortion.

You say

Torture is deliberate cruelty. Our founders were so concerned about it they put an amendment in the constitution specifically addressed to it, the 8th amendment.

I don't think they mean waterboarding.

I doubt they were aware of the specific practice. But it is clear they did not want torture to be part of what America stood for by passing an amendment forbidding cruel punishment.

My first point fight a war and then tell me how you feel about getting info from the enemy to save your buddies lives and in this case maybe your families life--have to walk in soldiers shoes to understand this.

I wouldn't think most soldiers would support rule that permitted torture. I know McCain doesn't but I don't know what the feeling is in general.

 

[Iriemon]

You talk about principals we oviously have a different belief here.
Waterboarding Bad (you think its so bad you call it toture) Abotion OK--yep a wide difference here.

You say
Torture is deliberate cruelty. Our founders were so concerned about it they put an amendment in the constitution specifically addressed to it, the 8th amendment.
I don't think they mean waterboarding.
My first point fight a war and then tell me how you feel about getting info from the enemy to save your buddies lives and in this case maybe your families life--have to walk in soldiers shoes to understand this.

When we torture, (IE waterboard) we lower ourselves to the standards, (or below in most cases) of the enemy. Intel gathered from someone being tortured isn't very reliable, you of all people should know that.

Plus it makes us look like hypocrites.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Studies have shown that conservatives are more afraid of the world than liberals.

That's why they need guns and safety rooms.

Chris give us a link to one of these "STUDIES".....im sure you have read them or why would you mention them.....show us one please....

 

[Harry Dresden]

This thread is about waterboarding, not abortion.

no the thread is about Obamas global popularity and how it may be affecting the terrorist mind set....

 

[dilloduck]

You talk about principals we oviously have a different belief here.
Waterboarding Bad (you think its so bad you call it toture) Abotion OK--yep a wide difference here.

You say
Torture is deliberate cruelty. Our founders were so concerned about it they put an amendment in the constitution specifically addressed to it, the 8th amendment.
I don't think they mean waterboarding.
My first point fight a war and then tell me how you feel about getting info from the enemy to save your buddies lives and in this case maybe your families life--have to walk in soldiers shoes to understand this.

When we torture, (IE waterboard) we lower ourselves to the standards, (or below in most cases) of the enemy. Intel gathered from someone being tortured isn't very reliable, you of all people should know that.

Plus it makes us look like hypocrites.

US? Hypocrites ???? OMG. Tell me it ain't so !!

 

[DiveCon]

When we torture, (IE waterboard) we lower ourselves to the standards, (or below in most cases) of the enemy. Intel gathered from someone being tortured isn't very reliable, you of all people should know that.

Plus it makes us look like hypocrites.

US? Hypocrites ???? OMG. Tell me it ain't so !!

well, it makes people like HIM a hypocrite
LOL

 

[Iriemon]

This thread is about waterboarding, not abortion.

no the thread is about Obamas global popularity and how it may be affecting the terrorist mind set....

Got me there!

 

[Agnapostate]

This is where you and those like you are so wrong. When Muslims feel they have the upper hand, they only strike harder, and this is all supported by the teachings of the Koran.

What The Koran Really Says: Tolerance & Peace? written by Act! for America, Manhatten Chapter, Madeline Brooks « ACT Northern Virginia/Richmond/DC Metro Chapter.

Yes, you can find certain versus in the Koran that may seem to contradict the versus that teach of striking out against anyone non-Muslim. However, most of what you will find in regards to love and peace, within the Koran, involves interactions between believers, not between Muslims and non-believers.

This has absolutely no pertinence to the rebuttal of my comment, so far as I can tell, which was that Islamic radicals were aggravated by unconditional and unregulated U.S. financial support of the Israeli government. It's surprising to me that such is even disputed.

 

[Chris]

Studies have shown that conservatives are more afraid of the world than liberals.

That's why they need guns and safety rooms.

Chris give us a link to one of these "STUDIES".....im sure you have read them or why would you mention them.....show us one please....

Deep-seated political differences aren't simply moral and intellectual: They're also biological.

In reflex tests of 46 political partisans, psychologists found that conservatives were more likely than liberals to be shocked by sudden threats.

Accompanying the physiological differences were deep differences on hot-button political issues: military expansion, the Iraq war, gun control, capital punishment, the Patriot act, warrantless searches, foreign aid, abortion rights, gay marriage, premarital sex and pornography.

"People are experiencing the world, experiencing threat, differently," said University of Nebraska political scientist John Hibbing. "We have very different physiological orientations."

The study, published today in Science, has not yet been duplicated, but adds a potentially troubling piece to the puzzle of biology, behavior and politics.

Conservatives Scare More Easily Than Liberals, Say Scientists | Wired Science from Wired.com

 

[Kalam]

No real change in Middle Easterners' perceptions of us will take place until changes in our foreign policy take place. The article is incorrect, the idea that radicals hate Americans primarily because of religious differences is incorrect, and the suggestion that they only respect and respond positively to strength is incorrect. Barry isn't going to accomplish shit unless he adopts a policy of evenhandedness in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, something that I don't see happening in the foreseeable future.

 

[Iriemon]

No real change in Middle Easterners' perceptions of us will take place until changes in our foreign policy take place. The article is incorrect, the idea that radicals hate Americans primarily because of religious differences is incorrect, and the suggestion that they only respect and respond positively to strength is incorrect. Barry isn't going to accomplish shit unless he adopts a policy of evenhandedness in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, something that I don't see happening in the foreseeable future.

I doubt either side will perceive even handiness.

But I see our Israeli friends bitching about him too. So neither side likes what he's doing. I take that at a good side.

 

[Harry Dresden]

No real change in Middle Easterners' perceptions of us will take place until changes in our foreign policy take place. The article is incorrect, the idea that radicals hate Americans primarily because of religious differences is incorrect, and the suggestion that they only respect and respond positively to strength is incorrect. Barry isn't going to accomplish shit unless he adopts a policy of evenhandedness in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, something that I don't see happening in the foreseeable future.

I doubt either side will perceive even handiness.

But I see our Israeli friends bitching about him too. So neither side likes what he's doing. I take that at a good side.

well you cant please everybody,so they say.....

 

[oreo]

Ah geez--give me a break. Infidels are infidels. They aren't nervous--Obama just gave them their own bill of rights--bascially handcuffing the CIA with their interrogations of these monsters.

Al Queda has lost it's popularity because they started attacking Muslims--killing them in mass--& for no other reason--that's why they are begging for recruits now.