Obama's Final Grade on National Security: F-

[P@triot]

Let's look at Rotties list.*

So this is really the best you have?

I've seen some profoundly stupid posts on USMB before, but this has to be right up at the top. You will stop at nothing to fellate this man 24x7. You can't (and haven't) criticize him for anything.

The media would have found those things out anyway.

LMAO! Um, how exactly??? Do they have the highest level of national security clearance? Are they given access to top secret files and a log on for defense network computer systems? Furthermore, even if your profoundly absurd statement were true, why not make them work hard to obtain that information, rather than being criminally negligent in your duties as president? JoeB. argument epic fail.

Defense spending is going up despite winding down the Iraq War.

Really? What world do you live in? When Obama negotiated the debt ceiling rise, part of the negotiate were that*automatic defense cuts known as “sequestration” would take effect January 1, 2013 to the tune of $56.5 billion this year and $500 billion over the length of the entire plan. Instead of making shit up, why don't you watch the news or read once in a while. Here are just a few links that prove you are lying through your decaying teeth when you outrageously claim that "defense spending is going up".

Panetta warns of 'disaster' from defense cuts - Yahoo! News

Defense chief Panetta bemoans looming defense cuts - Yahoo! News

Stop automatic defense cuts, Panetta urges Congress | Reuters

https://radio.azpm.org/p/kuaz-featu...ain-at-raytheon-decries-pending-defense-cuts/

108,000 DoD Civilians Would Lose Jobs Under Sequestration: Report | Defense News | defensenews.com

108,000 DoD civilians would lose jobs under sequestration: Report | Federal Times | federaltimes.com

DoD sees four sequestration scenarios | Federal Times | federaltimes.com

I'm curious - do you feel humiliation at all when some exposes just how fucking ignorant you are on topics you comment on? JoeB. argument extra epic fail.

You mean he stopped an expensive boondoggle of technology that doesn't work?

Wow - where to begin with this assinine statement? First of all, it does work. It's been working since the 1970's stupid. Perhaps if you would leave the 60's for a moment and join the rest of us in the current world, you wouldn't look so foolish? Second, you idiot liberal Dumbocrats LIVE to spend tax payer's money. Remember? You pissed away billions on Solyndra and literally trillions since the 1970's on the fallacy known as "green energy". Since you guys love waste and spending, God forbid we use a little of that to develop sophisticated weapons that will keep us SAFE. Furthermore, this is a DEFENSIVE weapons system - perfect for you little passivist bitches. Here we see the idiot liberal hypocrisy at it's most glaring - crying about the cost of a defensive system when they live to spend money and cry for peace. JoeB. argument fail.*

Iran will get a nuke, and we need to learn how to deal.

Hey Joe - workers will lose their jobs, you just need to learn how to deal. Business owners will exploit workers, you just need to learn how to deal.*The rich are going to fuck the poor - hard, you just need to learn how to deal.*The wealthy will exploit tax loopholes, you just need to learn how to deal.*The hungry will just have to be hungry, you just need to learn how to deal.*Those without health insurance will die in the street, you just need to learn how to deal.*

Iran will NOT develop nukes if we stop them. It's really not that hard. But since you have no argument, and you have to fellate Obama at all cost, the best you can do is just claim they will get them and "we have to deal". JoeB. argument fail.

Get Real. We need Russia. It's realy all that stands between the Angry-Stans and Europe.

Is there anything more comical than your one line nonsensical responses to my facts? Even if we did need Russia (and rest assured, we don't in any capacity), how the fuck does caving to their every demand and being their prison bitches equate to "needing" them? JoeB. argument fail

 

[P@triot]

So since Bush allowed 9/11 to happen on his watch, he gets a Z-?

Actually, 9/11 happened on Bill Clinton's "watch". It was Bill Clinton who gutted defense to the tune of half a trillion dollars over his 8 years in office. It was Bill Clinton who allowed Al Qaeda to fund, recruit, train, and plan 9/11 (Al Qaeda terrorists admitted it was a plan that took 8 years to execute) utilizing terrorist training camps that were in plain site. And it was Bill Clinton who signed the final (defense gutted) budget for 2001 (the outgoing president submits the budget in December and it is finalized in early January before the incoming president is sworn into office).

Four years later, and none of you want to discuss the current president. All you want to discuss is Bush, Bush, and more Bush. Obviously, there is nothing about the current president that your side of the aisle is proud of and willing to talk about...

What?

Is there nothing you guys don't fucking lie about?

It happened on Bush watch. It was done by a man that was supported by Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush. It was done by a man..who's FAMILY the Bushes were doing business with.

Those are the facts.

Hey stupid, Al Qaeda planned those attacks YEARS in advance. The training, the recruiting, the financing for it. It all didn't happen in 8 years stupid. And it was Bill Clinton who gutted defense. Don't let the facts get in your way though...

 

[Sallow]

Actually, 9/11 happened on Bill Clinton's "watch". It was Bill Clinton who gutted defense to the tune of half a trillion dollars over his 8 years in office. It was Bill Clinton who allowed Al Qaeda to fund, recruit, train, and plan 9/11 (Al Qaeda terrorists admitted it was a plan that took 8 years to execute) utilizing terrorist training camps that were in plain site. And it was Bill Clinton who signed the final (defense gutted) budget for 2001 (the outgoing president submits the budget in December and it is finalized in early January before the incoming president is sworn into office).

Four years later, and none of you want to discuss the current president. All you want to discuss is Bush, Bush, and more Bush. Obviously, there is nothing about the current president that your side of the aisle is proud of and willing to talk about...

What?

Is there nothing you guys don't fucking lie about?

It happened on Bush watch. It was done by a man that was supported by Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush. It was done by a man..who's FAMILY the Bushes were doing business with.

Those are the facts.

Hey stupid, Al Qaeda planned those attacks YEARS in advance. The training, the recruiting, the financing for it. It all didn't happen in 8 years stupid. And it was Bill Clinton who gutted defense. Don't let the facts get in your way though...

Ronald REAGAN..sent that MAN FUNDING. So did GEORGE HW BUSH.

STUPID.

And it was the REPUBLICANS that shot down a bill to beef up AIRLINE SECURITY during the Clinton administration.

And it was REPUBLICANS that shot down the idea of using SPECIAL OPS to take out Osama Bin Laden during the Clinton Administration.

STUPID.

Don't let the FACTS get in your way.

 

[rightwinger]

George Bush gave up the worst terrorist attack in history and botched two wars

What grade does he get?

The first terrorist attack happened in 1993 when Bill Clinton was president.

hmmm. A Democrat President didn't take care of business and nip the problem in the bud, so it's now George Bush's fault when they came back 8 months into his Presidency.

What a lovely case of selective memory. And Clinton ordered his employees to leave the White House computers so buggered up it'd take weeks to straighten that out. Cheesy little pranks that cost America a lot of important time and hassle in the White House, engineered to hurt the new president by the impeached and disbarred disgraceful Satyr.

Has Obama made the world a safer place by leaving the Muslim Brotherhood (al Qaeda's associates) to rule in Egypt? Leaving Iraq and Afghanistan before stable and peaceable governments were established and monitored for 50 years?

I think the world is a lot less safe since Obama started pulling his punches all over the map assisted by dowager Hillary (900 FBI Files) Clinton.

Clinton did not give up four different attacks killing 3000 people. Any way you cut it, Bush screwed the pooch that day
Clinton left Bush an anti-terrorist task force which Bush never met with till AFTER 9-11. Condi Rice never met with Richard Clark either

Democracy is not easy. Forcing a Western preferred democracy on Arab nations does not make us safer

Iraq never should have been invaded in the first place and Afghanistan should have been resolved seven years ago. Another foreign policy blunder by Bush

 

[P@triot]

Ronald REAGAN..sent that MAN FUNDING. So did GEORGE HW BUSH.

Facts:

1.) Osama Bin Laden is the son of the wealthiest construction and investment entreprenuer of Saudi Arabia. He had hundreds of millions of dollars. Reagan didn't need to send the man $1. He did, however, send him weapons to fight the Russians. What does that have to do with Clinton ignoring Al Qaeda for 8 years? What does that have to do with Clinton cutting defense half a trillion dollars over 8 years? Nothing - but you can't accept blame for anything the Dumbocrats do wrong.

2.) Al Qaeda has admitted that 9/11 was YEARS in the making. So over 90% of the 9/11 operation took place under Bill Clinton.

3.) The US suffered more terrorists attacks under Bill Clinton than all other US presidents in history combined. Al Qaeda attacked the WTC building under Clinton, the embassy in Tanzania under Clinton, the embassy in Kenya under Clinton, and the USS Cole in Yemen under Clinton. What did Clinton do about it? Absolutely nothing. No comprehensive strategy like Bush implemented. Did Clinton freeze Al Qaeda assets to cut off funding? Nope. Did capture or kill Al Qaeda terrorists? No. Did Clinton chase Al Qaeda around the world so they had no time to recoup, communidate, coordinate, recruit, train, and plan? Nope. All he did was fire a few cruise missiles from thousands of miles away in a sea into training camps that he made sure were empty before firing upon.

Facts, they are a bitch, right swallow?

 

[P@triot]

As Carafano put it, "A belligerently aggressive Iran...an anti-democratic Russia...an expansive China...a wet-behind-the-ears 'Dear Leader' in North Korea...enduring threats from narco-terrorists and Islamist terrorists...there is every sign that, when Obama's four years are up, the world will be a potentially far more dangerous place than it was when he first took office."

Morning Bell: Defending America Is Not an Obama Priority

The world will always be a dangerous place.I bet Mitt won't change a thing.

That makes no sense. If you know the world will always be a dangerous place, then why would you accept a president who neglects national security?

If Mitt stops Iran from developing nuclear weapons, puts relentless pressure on terrorists world wide, and properly funds defense, the US will be an exponentially safer place, regardless of the state of the rest of the world.

 

[JimH52]

So you think Bush killed Osama also...many repubs do...

Poor delusional schmucks...

 

[Warrior102]

So you think Bush killed Osama also...many repubs do...

Poor delusional schmucks...

The United States Navy killed him, dumbfuck.

Not some incompetent "suit" in Washington, D.C.

Glad that's settled.

 

[Lovebears65]

So since Bush allowed 9/11 to happen on his watch, he gets a Z-?

not even 9 months into his office. Shit you guys are still blaming BUSH 3 plus years into Obama in office .. This was in the works with CLinton but he was to busy messing with Monica to do anything !! So like the left it was CLINTONS FAULT for 9.11 with your criteria how long it takes to take responsibility

 

[JoeB131]

Let's look at Rotties list.*

So this is really the best you have?

I've seen some profoundly stupid posts on USMB before, but this has to be right up at the top. You will stop at nothing to fellate this man 24x7. You can't (and haven't) criticize him for anything..

Actually, I've criticized him quite a bit... that you don't pay attention is your problem. It's just you guys are trying to turn MY country over to an evil cult, and I won't have it.

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The media would have found those things out anyway.

LMAO! Um, how exactly??? Do they have the highest level of national security clearance? Are they given access to top secret files and a log on for defense network computer systems? Furthermore, even if your profoundly absurd statement were true, why not make them work hard to obtain that information, rather than being criminally negligent in your duties as president? JoeB. argument epic fail.]..

Tell me what secret the government has ever been able to keep for any length of time...

Thanks.

Oh, that's right, you can't.

All it takes is one SEAL facebooking himself in Bin Laden's lair, and it's out.

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Really? What world do you live in? When Obama negotiated the debt ceiling rise, part of the negotiate were that*automatic defense cuts known as “sequestration” would take effect January 1, 2013 to the tune of $56.5 billion this year and $500 billion over the length of the entire plan. Instead of making shit up, why don't you watch the news or read once in a while. Here are just a few links that prove you are lying through your decaying teeth when you outrageously claim that "defense spending is going up".

Your statement was he CUT defense spending, not "he's going to cut it if some deal isn't worked out before then. So let's go with what you actually STATED, not what you are trying to make up. YOu can't move the goalposts, guy.

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I'm curious - do you feel humiliation at all when some exposes just how fucking ignorant you are on topics you comment on? JoeB. argument extra epic fail.".

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Wow - where to begin with this assinine statement? First of all, it does work. It's been working since the 1970's stupid. Perhaps if you would leave the 60's for a moment and join the rest of us in the current world, you wouldn't look so foolish? Second, you idiot liberal Dumbocrats LIVE to spend tax payer's money. Remember? You pissed away billions on Solyndra and literally trillions since the 1970's on the fallacy known as "green energy". Since you guys love waste and spending, God forbid we use a little of that to develop sophisticated weapons that will keep us SAFE. Furthermore, this is a DEFENSIVE weapons system - perfect for you little passivist bitches. Here we see the idiot liberal hypocrisy at it's most glaring - crying about the cost of a defensive system when they live to spend money and cry for peace. JoeB. argument fail.*".

Except that they've been working on it since the 1970s, and it still doesn't work. That's the whole point.

MIT physicist knocks anti-missile system / Professor keeps blowing whistle on Pentagon pet - SFGate

Fact is, during the Gulf War, not ONE Patriot missile managed to knock down a SCUD. And we're talking about SCUD's here, which are practically 1950's technology. And they knew this in the 1970's, which is why Nixon was happy to agree to the ABM Treaty.

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Iran will get a nuke, and we need to learn how to deal.

Hey Joe - workers will lose their jobs, you just need to learn how to deal. Business owners will exploit workers, you just need to learn how to deal.*The rich are going to fuck the poor - hard, you just need to learn how to deal.*The wealthy will exploit tax loopholes, you just need to learn how to deal.*The hungry will just have to be hungry, you just need to learn how to deal.*Those without health insurance will die in the street, you just need to learn how to deal.*.

But we can fix those thing. Change the tax laws. Change the labor laws. Make the guys who do that shit pariahs... (I still like my idea of the AFL-CIO putting up the pictures of CEO's who offshore, and giving out their addresses.)

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Iran will NOT develop nukes if we stop them. It's really not that hard. But since you have no argument, and you have to fellate Obama at all cost, the best you can do is just claim they will get them and "we have to deal". JoeB. argument fail..

We could barely handle Iraq, how are we going to take out Iran which has 4 times as many people, most of them far more willing than the Iraqis to fight for their leaders. Iran will get nukes because it's very simple technology and frankly, no mother is willing to have her son come home in a Body Bag so Israel can sleep better at night.

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Get Real. We need Russia. It's realy all that stands between the Angry-Stans and Europe.

Is there anything more comical than your one line nonsensical responses to my facts? Even if we did need Russia (and rest assured, we don't in any capacity), how the fuck does caving to their every demand and being their prison bitches equate to "needing" them? JoeB. argument fail

Russia spends only 7% of all Military funds spent in the world. We spend 48%, and our allies in just EUROPE spend another 20%.

Look, it's not like you are going to sign up for the military. Let the poor kids do that. Except maybe the Poor kids aren't playing along anymore.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rottweiler is acting doggy again.

If Romney tries to compete on national policy, Obama will trounce him.

Stay with the economy, doggy breath.

Positives: Ordered the raid in Pakistan to kill Bin Laden. Despite promises made and pressure by his side of the aisle, has kept Gitmo operational (appears to understand it is a necessity and not a source of entertainment by GOP leadership). Early on in his presidency, hosted a nuclear security summit pressuring all nations with this weapon in their arsenal to secure all of the nuclear materials and secrets. Assisted Israel with creating cyber weapons to disrupt Iranian nuclear program.

Negatives: Has leaked endless national security information and invited Hollywood in to learn about the Bin Lade raid - all in an attempt to look "strong" on national security. Announced it was Seal Team 6 who got Bin Laden - this put all of their families at tremendous risk as Al Qaeda has the resources to seek retribution on the family members of those operators. Negotiated massive cuts to defense that he KNEW would occur when he loaded the congressional debt committee with tax and spend ideologues so that he could gut defense as deep as possible while deflecting the blame. Has allowed Iran to continue it's programs with minimal effort to put an end to it (the cyber weapons, while certainly effective and efficient, only temporarily delayed efforts). "Delay" is simply not acceptable when a rogue terrorist state is working on a nuclear WMD. Stopped the missile defense systems previous administration had promised Poland and other nations in Europe. Signed the "New S.T.A.R.T" treaty with Russia - a treaty that caved to Russia's every demand so severely, it prompted Russian*chairman of the State Duma's International Affairs Committee, Konstantin Kosachev, to gloat in front of the entire world stating “everything else laid out in the agreement in fact represents very substantial progress, I would say in ours and not in the Americans' favor” and went on to say “this is, to emphasize once again, a breakthrough, not a compromise”. *Did you read that – not a compromise. *A treaty is supposed to be an equal compromise on both sides. *Instead, Obama caved to every Russian demand on the treaty. Was caught on mic whispering to former Russian president Demetri Medvedev that he would give current Russian president Vladamir Putin "everything he wanted" if Putin would just give him room until AFTER his last election.

Positives
Kill Bin Laden +5
Keeping Gitmo +5
Nuclear Summit +3
Cyber Weapons +5

Negatives
Leaking National Security -4
Leaking Seal Team 6 -4
Cutting defense -5
Iran Nuclear Program -5
Stopped missile defense -3
Signing New S.T.A.R.T -3
Caught caving to Russia -5

Totals: +18 positives, -29 negatives, -11 total

Final: F-

* Grading scale is typical K-12 grading scale with 1 = F, 2 = D, 3 = C, 4 = B, 5 = A

For positives, 5 is best possible scenario down to 1 being ok
For negatives, -5 is worst possible scenario down to -1 being bad