Obama's failed promise on gun control

[The Rabbi]

Yet more failures from the undocumented worker in the White House.
I have an idea for getting guns out of the hands of criminals: pry them from their cold dead hands.

PROMISES, PROMISES: No action from Obama on guns - Yahoo! News

"if we're serious about keeping guns away from someone who's made up his mind to kill, then we can't allow a situation where a responsible seller denies him a weapon at one store, but he effortlessly buys the same gun someplace else."

How about, if criminals want guns they will get them. So don't criminalize guns. Criminalize criminals.

 

[waltky]

Democrat congressman from Iowa saved by shotgun during home invasion...

Iowa Congressman, Family Safe After Home Invasion
July 17, 2011 | A home invasion at Rep. Leonard Boswell's Iowa farm ended when his 22-year-old grandson fetched a shotgun and aimed it at the intruder, according to a statement from the congressman's office. No one was seriously injured.

The incident started about 10:45 p.m. Saturday when an armed man came in through the front door, attacked Boswell's daughter, Cindy Brown, and demanded money, the statement said. Boswell, 77, heard his daughter's screams, came into the entryway and attempted to disarm the intruder. As they struggled, Boswell's grandson, Mitchell Brown, got a shotgun from another room. When he pointed the shotgun at the intruder, the man fled into the fields around the house outside Lamoni.

Boswell's wife, Dody Boswell, 75, also was home during the attack. His spokesman Grant Woodard said the whole family is safe and unhurt, aside from some scrapes and bruises. The family is shaken up, but "they're dealing with it pretty well," Woodard said Sunday morning. He deferred other questions to the Decatur County Sheriff's Office, which is investigating along with the FBI and other agencies. Sheriff Herbert Muir wasn't available for comment Sunday morning.

Boswell, a Democrat, has represented Iowa's 3rd District for eight terms in Congress. He is expected to face a challenge next year from Republican Rep. Tom Latham, who is moving into the district to avoid running against Republican Rep. Steve King after their territories were merged during once-per-decade redistricting that follows each census. Iowa is going from five to four congressional seats because its population growth hasn't kept pace with the rest of the nation. The new 3rd District will include Des Moines and 16 counties in southwest Iowa.

Read more: Iowa Congressman, Family Safe After Home Invasion - FoxNews.com

 

[waltky]

Oops!

Submachine guns, handguns stolen from LAPD SWAT-training site
October 17, 2011 - Police officials confirm that more than 30 firearms, stored overnight at a building considered secure, were stolen. 'It's embarrassing.... It's a lesson learned,' Deputy Chief Michael Downing says.

A cache of Los Angeles Police Department submachine guns and handguns was stolen last week from a secured building used by the department's SWAT unit, raising fears that the weapons, which police had altered to fire only blanks, could be converted back to lethal use, police officials confirmed. The weapons, which include 21 MP-5 submachine guns and 12 large caliber handguns, were moved Wednesday night to a multistory building at 14th and San Pedro streets downtown and stored in a locked box on the building's first floor, said LAPD Deputy Chief Michael Downing.

Members of the SWAT unit, which specializes in hostage rescues and other high-risk situations, were scheduled to train at the facility Thursday, Downing said. A police officer arriving at the building around 9 a.m. Thursday discovered the weapons were missing, according to Downing. The officer also found electrical equipment stacked near a back door, indicating the burglars may still have been working and fled when the officer arrived. Downing said the building, although not a guarded LAPD facility, was considered secure. To get to the weapons, the thieves cut through bolt locks on an outside door and two internal doors and forced their way through a metal roll gate, he said. "I guess 'secure' is all relative now," he said. "It's embarrassing.... It's a lesson learned."

The theft was particularly awkward because it involved the SWAT unit, one of the most prestigious assignments in the department and one whose members are trained to methodically think through the possible outcomes of situations before acting. When told about the weapons theft, other LAPD officers, who asked that their names not be used because they did not want to criticize fellow cops publicly, questioned why the weapons weren't simply kept at SWAT's headquarters, about a mile from the training site. "Even with some locked doors, they should have seen this as a possibility," one said.

As a rule, Downing said, officers are not supposed to leave weapons unattended at the building. He added that "appropriate measures" had been taken in response to the gaffe but would not specify if anyone had been disciplined. He said officials are also reviewing SWAT's procedures for using the building to see if changes are needed. The building, which once housed textile companies, was donated to the department. Inside, the department put up walls and made other changes in order to create realistic scenarios for training exercises. They did not install an alarm system or surveillance cameras.

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[Luissa]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baPgr_tw79Q]Guns for Cash! No Background Check, no ID, AND IT'S ALL LEGAL! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[The Rabbi]

Guns for Cash! No Background Check, no ID, AND IT'S ALL LEGAL! - YouTube

People selling their own property to other private citizens without gov't interference. It's a beautiful thing.

 

[waltky]

LAPD got egg on its face, havin' to chase down its own weapons cache...

Most of guns stolen from LAPD may have hit black market
October 29, 2011 - Just three of about 30 weapons taken from a SWAT building have been found. Police had altered the guns to fire only plastic pellets, but it's possible to convert them back to lethal use.

All but three guns in a cache of weapons stolen earlier this month from an unguarded building used by the Los Angeles Police Department's SWAT unit remain missing and may have been sold or traded on the black market, police said Friday. Police arrested two men on suspicion of committing the heist and three others for allegedly possessing the recovered weapons, said Cmdr. Andrew Smith. Much to police officials' dismay, however, the rest of the roughly 30 weapons stolen were not found in the suspects' possession.

Although the weapons, which included MP-5 submachine guns and large-caliber handguns, had been altered by police to fire only plastic pellets for training exercises, it is possible for them to be converted back to lethal use. LAPD Chief Charlie Beck and other police officials have downplayed that possibility, although gun experts and online tutorials suggest that the process is relatively easy and requires only a few parts. The company that manufactures the conversion kits used by the LAPD has an instructional video on its website that walks a viewer through the steps of returning an MP-5 to its original form in about five minutes.

The apparent sloppiness of the involved SWAT officers seemed to worsen Friday, when police acknowledged that one of the three guns recovered was an AR-15 assault rifle, which also had been converted for training, that officers either did not know had been stolen or failed to report as missing. The two men who allegedly broke into the building were "low-level burglars" who were looking to strip the building of copper wiring to sell to support their drug habits, Smith said. "They just happened to get lucky with the guns…and got rid of them as quickly as they could," he said.

Police are continuing to try to find the weapons, but don't know how many people may have bought guns from the men or any of their identities, Smith said. It is also possible the suspects have stashed the guns, police officials said. While investigators pursued leads in the days after the incident, police officials opted not to announce word of the stolen weapons; they acknowledged the theft only after receiving inquiries from The Times.

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[Luissa]

Guns for Cash! No Background Check, no ID, AND IT'S ALL LEGAL! - YouTube

People selling their own property to other private citizens without gov't interference. It's a beautiful thing.

Lets hope it isn't someone who wants to shoot up a college or office building.

 

[The Rabbi]

Guns for Cash! No Background Check, no ID, AND IT'S ALL LEGAL! - YouTube

People selling their own property to other private citizens without gov't interference. It's a beautiful thing.

Lets hope it isn't someone who wants to shoot up a college or office building.

Just like someone buying a car from anotehr person. Let's hope they don't drive drunk and kill people with it.
How many office buildings have been shot up with guns purchased privately? How many people have been killed by drunks in cars purchased privately?

 

[The T]

Yet more failures from the undocumented worker in the White House.
I have an idea for getting guns out of the hands of criminals: pry them from their cold dead hands.

PROMISES, PROMISES: No action from Obama on guns - Yahoo! News

"if we're serious about keeping guns away from someone who's made up his mind to kill, then we can't allow a situation where a responsible seller denies him a weapon at one store, but he effortlessly buys the same gun someplace else."

How about, if criminals want guns they will get them. So don't criminalize guns. Criminalize criminals.

What do you think Fast And Furious was designed to do? Manufacture outrage among the people for the result of guns going across the border...thing is? Holder, Obama, and the ATF got caught in thier quest to cause a fever among the American people for more gun laws.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Obama's failed promise on gun control

The story in the link is expired and the quote in the OP has no context.

Otherwise promises don’t ‘fail,’ people fail to keep promises, however.

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama's failed promise on gun control

The story in the link is expired and the quote in the OP has no context.

Otherwise promises don’t ‘fail,’ people fail to keep promises, however.

It's headline grammar. You wouldn't understand. Check the original date of the OP. I dont know why it got revived.

 

[Luissa]

People selling their own property to other private citizens without gov't interference. It's a beautiful thing.

Lets hope it isn't someone who wants to shoot up a college or office building.

Just like someone buying a car from anotehr person. Let's hope they don't drive drunk and kill people with it.
How many office buildings have been shot up with guns purchased privately? How many people have been killed by drunks in cars purchased privately?

Apples and oranges

 

[The Rabbi]

Lets hope it isn't someone who wants to shoot up a college or office building.

Just like someone buying a car from anotehr person. Let's hope they don't drive drunk and kill people with it.
How many office buildings have been shot up with guns purchased privately? How many people have been killed by drunks in cars purchased privately?

Apples and oranges

Really?
You have a legal item legally transferrable from one private citizen to another. Both are powerful (the car more so). And both can be misused by their owners. What's the difference?

 

[9thIDdoc]

Apples and oranges

How so? Both serve a useful purpose and can be used as a deadly weapon and the use of both results in much injury and/or death on an ongoing basis.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Obama's failed promise on gun control

Ricochet:
Confessions of a Gun Lobbyist​

"Among the many dirty little secrets that Feldman exposes are the phenomenal salaries received by CEO Wayne LaPierre and other high-ranking NRA officials. These generous remunerations, which place NRA executives among the highest-paid officials of any tax-exempt organization, are funded by biannual "crisis du jour" fund-raising drives, in which members are exhorted to donate additional funds to fend off the latest alleged threat to their Second Amendment rights.

Looking back over his long association with the NRA, Feldman reveals the inside stories behind the organization's responses to the Bernie Goetz subway shootings, the Assault Weapons Ban, gun control legislation, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Long Island Railroad shootings, and Feldman's own voluntary gun-lock agreement. He explains how the NRA's inflexible positions have placed the nation's most prominent representative of law-abiding gun owners in increasing opposition to law enforcement, gun makers, and moderate Republicans. The upshot is that the NRA is not an effective advocate for its members' interests. Obsessed with fund-raising, scare-mongering, and wielding political power, NRA leadership undermines commonsense solutions that would protect gun-owners' rights while reducing accidental shootings and gun violence.

Ricochet is not for gun control advocates: It is a wake-up call for gun owners who cherish their Second Amendment rights. The message is that the NRA has betrayed your trust, misused your hard-earned donations, and strengthened the hand of those who would take your guns away. Read this hard-hitting exposé to discover how this has happened and what you can do about it."

It's lookin' like your boys, at the NRA, are headed for some hard-times, there, Rabbi(t).

 

[AmericanFirst]

Guns for Cash! No Background Check, no ID, AND IT'S ALL LEGAL! - YouTube

People selling their own property to other private citizens without gov't interference. It's a beautiful thing.

Lets hope it isn't someone who wants to shoot up a college or office building.

Criminals do not care if weapons are legal or not. The only thing idiots who want to make guns illegal will do is put honest people on the chopping block. I will keep my guns no matter what they the idiots in zD.C. decide.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Guns for Cash! No Background Check, no ID, AND IT'S ALL LEGAL! - YouTube

People selling their own property to other private citizens without gov't interference. It's a beautiful thing.

Lets hope it isn't someone who wants to shoot up a college or office building.

Hate to break it to you but federal law does not require a waiting period or a background check to buy semi automatic weapons that are not hand guns. All you have to do is fill out a standard firearms transaction form if buying from a licensed dealer. If buying from a private citizen that is not required.