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Everything you mentioned, I'd work on ways to privatize this afternoon,if I were in charge of this nation.
Privatization isn't the solution for everything. I am no more convinced they would have our best interests at heart then you are the government does.
At the very least,there would be competition and I would not be forced to support it.
Compulsary Health Plan: Socialism
Compulsary Education: Not
We have socialized education, socialized interstate highway/roads and no one is screaming "socialism".
Why is healthcare any different?
Everything you mentioned, I'd work on ways to privatize this afternoon,if I were in charge of this nation.
Privatization isn't the solution for everything. I am no more convinced they would have our best interests at heart then you are the government does.
Everything you mentioned, I'd work on ways to privatize this afternoon,if I were in charge of this nation.
Privatization isn't the solution for everything. I am no more convinced they would have our best interests at heart then you are the government does.
That is where you are Confused...
Whether or not ANY of them have our Best Interests in Mind is Irrelevant...
My being Forced to Pay for other People's Healthcare is where I have the Issue...
It's a "Progression" I don't want to see Continue in this Great REPUBLIC.
peace...
We can certainly try it...Privatization isn't the solution for everything. I am no more convinced they would have our best interests at heart then you are the government does.
Yes...and look where we are now...
Privatization isn't the solution for everything. I am no more convinced they would have our best interests at heart then you are the government does.
At the very least,there would be competition and I would not be forced to support it.
Privatization no more ensures competition then socialization. Once a company is big enough, competition doesn't truly exist.
Privatization isn't the solution for everything. I am no more convinced they would have our best interests at heart then you are the government does.
That is where you are Confused...
Whether or not ANY of them have our Best Interests in Mind is Irrelevant...
My being Forced to Pay for other People's Healthcare is where I have the Issue...
It's a "Progression" I don't want to see Continue in this Great REPUBLIC.
peace...
Different points of view - I don't have an issue to contributing to health care any more than I do contributing to education even though I have no kids. The benefit to our country as a whole is worth it.
At the very least,there would be competition and I would not be forced to support it.
Privatization no more ensures competition then socialization. Once a company is big enough, competition doesn't truly exist.
Without government restraints and regulations,competition could open up. There are over 1200 Life Insurance companies alone in this Country, ever wonder why only a few are in the health insurance industry? What about the Property and Casualty companies,ever wonder why those hundreds of companies aren't involved? Ever wonder why each State has it's own Blue Cross/Blue Shield Company?
that is where you are confused...
Whether or not any of them have our best interests in mind is irrelevant...
My being forced to pay for other people's healthcare is where i have the issue...
It's a "progression" i don't want to see continue in this great republic.
peace...
different points of view - i don't have an issue to contributing to health care any more than i do contributing to education even though i have no kids. The benefit to our country as a whole is worth it.
let me know how that is working out for ya when the boomers start raping the healthcare system with thier lifestyle choices over the decades, and then of course when they decide to milk the system and not pay for it...
Assuming you will be working to pay for it...
I would venture to say that not only with the chronically jobless or underemployed be getting this on my dime, but so with the 50% of americans who currently are not paying federal income tax.
you thought socialistic insecurity was going be a train wreck with the end of the boom... Wait until this shit comes home to roost.
peace...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/ar2009041503371.html
according to the most recent irs statistics, about 45 million households -- a third of all filers -- owed no federal income tax after taking their credits and deductions in 2006. This year, with the profusion of new credits in the stimulus package, about 65 million households -- or 43 percent of all filers -- are likely to owe no income taxes, according to a new analysis by the tax policy center, a joint project of the urban institute and the brookings institution.
Of course, even filers who have no income tax liability still pay federal taxes, due in large part to the payroll tax, which funds federal insurance programs like social security. According to the cbo, taxpayers shelled out an average of 7.5 percent of their earnings in payroll taxes in 2006.
different points of view - i don't have an issue to contributing to health care any more than i do contributing to education even though i have no kids. The benefit to our country as a whole is worth it.
let me know how that is working out for ya when the boomers start raping the healthcare system with thier lifestyle choices over the decades, and then of course when they decide to milk the system and not pay for it...
Assuming you will be working to pay for it...
I would venture to say that not only with the chronically jobless or underemployed be getting this on my dime, but so with the 50% of americans who currently are not paying federal income tax.
you thought socialistic insecurity was going be a train wreck with the end of the boom... Wait until this shit comes home to roost.
peace...
50%?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/ar2009041503371.html
according to the most recent irs statistics, about 45 million households -- a third of all filers -- owed no federal income tax after taking their credits and deductions in 2006. This year, with the profusion of new credits in the stimulus package, about 65 million households -- or 43 percent of all filers -- are likely to owe no income taxes, according to a new analysis by the tax policy center, a joint project of the urban institute and the brookings institution.
Of course, even filers who have no income tax liability still pay federal taxes, due in large part to the payroll tax, which funds federal insurance programs like social security. According to the cbo, taxpayers shelled out an average of 7.5 percent of their earnings in payroll taxes in 2006.
Privatization no more ensures competition then socialization. Once a company is big enough, competition doesn't truly exist.
Without government restraints and regulations,competition could open up. There are over 1200 Life Insurance companies alone in this Country, ever wonder why only a few are in the health insurance industry? What about the Property and Casualty companies,ever wonder why those hundreds of companies aren't involved? Ever wonder why each State has it's own Blue Cross/Blue Shield Company?
I think that is where theory departs from reality.
Without government restraints and regulations - competition would decrease. Look for example in the farming industry - the trend towards dominance by a few huge corporate agribusiness' vs. what was once a multitude of family farms. Or how about the history of mining where companies owned entire towns and controlled wages? What competition was there?
let me know how that is working out for ya when the boomers start raping the healthcare system with thier lifestyle choices over the decades, and then of course when they decide to milk the system and not pay for it...
Assuming you will be working to pay for it...
I would venture to say that not only with the chronically jobless or underemployed be getting this on my dime, but so with the 50% of americans who currently are not paying federal income tax.
you thought socialistic insecurity was going be a train wreck with the end of the boom... Wait until this shit comes home to roost.
peace...
50%?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/ar2009041503371.html
according to the most recent irs statistics, about 45 million households -- a third of all filers -- owed no federal income tax after taking their credits and deductions in 2006. This year, with the profusion of new credits in the stimulus package, about 65 million households -- or 43 percent of all filers -- are likely to owe no income taxes, according to a new analysis by the tax policy center, a joint project of the urban institute and the brookings institution.
Of course, even filers who have no income tax liability still pay federal taxes, due in large part to the payroll tax, which funds federal insurance programs like social security. According to the cbo, taxpayers shelled out an average of 7.5 percent of their earnings in payroll taxes in 2006.
If you View a Married Couple as (2) People with (2) Jobs, how does that Stat Change?...
peace...
50%?
If you View a Married Couple as (2) People with (2) Jobs, how does that Stat Change?...
peace...
You can't make that assumption - married can file jointly or seperately - if jointly they count as (1) - seperately as (2). If you adjust the figure for non-filers, the same adjustment would have to be made for filers and the overall wouldn't change.
If you View a Married Couple as (2) People with (2) Jobs, how does that Stat Change?...
peace...
You can't make that assumption - married can file jointly or seperately - if jointly they count as (1) - seperately as (2). If you adjust the figure for non-filers, the same adjustment would have to be made for filers and the overall wouldn't change.
Sorry... I don't Care how they File, the Distinction Needs to be Made to get an Accurate Picture of Individuals with Jobs who do or do not Pay Income Taxes...
I'd like to see the Breakdown of the "None at all" to the Pay's Pissant amount but gets Included in the Bigger Pie with those of us who Pay the Lions Share...
Got Stats on that?...
peace...
Not sure what you are talking about.
Not sure what you are talking about.
37% Pay nothing at all... We will Agree on that for the Sake of Argument...
The People at the Bottom of the Pay Scale who do Pay... What Percentage are they Paying from there up?...
It's Obviously a Small Amount and it IncreaseS with Income to a Certain Peak...
Understand?
I bet the First 10% that do Pay SOME Federal Income Tax, that it's Pissant Amounts.
peace...
Not sure what you are talking about.
37% Pay nothing at all... We will Agree on that for the Sake of Argument...
The People at the Bottom of the Pay Scale who do Pay... What Percentage are they Paying from there up?...
It's Obviously a Small Amount and it IncreaseS with Income to a Certain Peak...
Understand?
I bet the First 10% that do Pay SOME Federal Income Tax, that it's Pissant Amounts.
peace...
Lying kook look at the graphic above
