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Yeah, it sucks in Mexico. Remind me again why I should have to underwrite their better life?Big Business is the major issue here, Foxfyre, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. No jobs? The illegals would not have come in the first place. However, Maineman does miss the point that the illegals are now home. They aren't going anywhere, even if they lose their jobs. Poverty in America is preferable to poverty in Mexico.
So drug smugglers won't come here if we punish employers?it is the only part that absolutely has to happen. With no jobs, there would BE no illegal immigration, and therefore there would be no need to build a border fence, or to restrict wire transfers or to deport millions of people. Eliminate the jobs for illegal immigrants and they will leave and go to where there ARE jobs. But everyone here loves the cheap lettuce and nobody wants to even THINK that business interests are at the root of the problem. It is so much easier to demonize the poor little wetback and excuse the total culpability of American business addiction to cheap labor.
You attacked a serviceman's career, which had nothing to do with this argument. I have done no such thing here. Your grade for this thread: Fail!
So drug smugglers won't come here if we punish employers?it is the only part that absolutely has to happen. With no jobs, there would BE no illegal immigration, and therefore there would be no need to build a border fence, or to restrict wire transfers or to deport millions of people. Eliminate the jobs for illegal immigrants and they will leave and go to where there ARE jobs. But everyone here loves the cheap lettuce and nobody wants to even THINK that business interests are at the root of the problem. It is so much easier to demonize the poor little wetback and excuse the total culpability of American business addiction to cheap labor.
Tell you what -- you idiot leftists quit smoking pot. That'd help, too.
The left doesn't give a shit about business, large or small.So drug smugglers won't come here if we punish employers?it is the only part that absolutely has to happen. With no jobs, there would BE no illegal immigration, and therefore there would be no need to build a border fence, or to restrict wire transfers or to deport millions of people. Eliminate the jobs for illegal immigrants and they will leave and go to where there ARE jobs. But everyone here loves the cheap lettuce and nobody wants to even THINK that business interests are at the root of the problem. It is so much easier to demonize the poor little wetback and excuse the total culpability of American business addiction to cheap labor.
Tell you what -- you idiot leftists quit smoking pot. That'd help, too.
The bulk of American business are small business owners. People paying both halves of Social Security tax, Medicare tax, all of the unemployment tax, workers compensation insurance, probably 50-100% of the healthcare premium. For the most part, these businesses are not hiring illegals. The ones that are often cheat on the above taxes, benefits and fees along with federal taxes. Might want to consider that maineman types.
Ever stop to consider why illegals are cheaper employees?
You pay them cash. No taxes collected at all. You can ignore the minimum wage laws. I'm in the landscape business too. Really fun following the law and getting burned at bid time by these folks.
So drug smugglers won't come here if we punish employers?it is the only part that absolutely has to happen. With no jobs, there would BE no illegal immigration, and therefore there would be no need to build a border fence, or to restrict wire transfers or to deport millions of people. Eliminate the jobs for illegal immigrants and they will leave and go to where there ARE jobs. But everyone here loves the cheap lettuce and nobody wants to even THINK that business interests are at the root of the problem. It is so much easier to demonize the poor little wetback and excuse the total culpability of American business addiction to cheap labor.
Tell you what -- you idiot leftists quit smoking pot. That'd help, too.
So drug smugglers won't come here if we punish employers?it is the only part that absolutely has to happen. With no jobs, there would BE no illegal immigration, and therefore there would be no need to build a border fence, or to restrict wire transfers or to deport millions of people. Eliminate the jobs for illegal immigrants and they will leave and go to where there ARE jobs. But everyone here loves the cheap lettuce and nobody wants to even THINK that business interests are at the root of the problem. It is so much easier to demonize the poor little wetback and excuse the total culpability of American business addiction to cheap labor.
Tell you what -- you idiot leftists quit smoking pot. That'd help, too.
The bulk of American business are small business owners. People paying both halves of Social Security tax, Medicare tax, all of the unemployment tax, workers compensation insurance, probably 50-100% of the healthcare premium. For the most part, these businesses are not hiring illegals. The ones that are often cheat on the above taxes, benefits and fees along with federal taxes. Might want to consider that maineman types.
and you, clearly, don't give a shit about obeying the law OR American workers.The left doesn't give a shit about business, large or small.So drug smugglers won't come here if we punish employers?
Tell you what -- you idiot leftists quit smoking pot. That'd help, too.
The bulk of American business are small business owners. People paying both halves of Social Security tax, Medicare tax, all of the unemployment tax, workers compensation insurance, probably 50-100% of the healthcare premium. For the most part, these businesses are not hiring illegals. The ones that are often cheat on the above taxes, benefits and fees along with federal taxes. Might want to consider that maineman types.
and you, clearly, don't give a shit about obeying the law OR American workers.The left doesn't give a shit about business, large or small.The bulk of American business are small business owners. People paying both halves of Social Security tax, Medicare tax, all of the unemployment tax, workers compensation insurance, probably 50-100% of the healthcare premium. For the most part, these businesses are not hiring illegals. The ones that are often cheat on the above taxes, benefits and fees along with federal taxes. Might want to consider that maineman types.
no big surprise there!
and you, clearly, don't give a shit about obeying the law OR American workers.The left doesn't give a shit about business, large or small.
no big surprise there!
How do you come to that conclusion? Both daveman and myself were talking about the disadvantages law abidding employers suffer at the hands of those who use illegals. The result is harm to American business owners and workers. We oppose that, so I must conclude you support harming Americans. It would seem you are the one who doesn't care.
and you, clearly, don't give a shit about obeying the law OR American workers.
no big surprise there!
How do you come to that conclusion? Both daveman and myself were talking about the disadvantages law abidding employers suffer at the hands of those who use illegals. The result is harm to American business owners and workers. We oppose that, so I must conclude you support harming Americans. It would seem you are the one who doesn't care.
maybe I have misunderstood your position? Are you saying that you believe, like I do, that the key to this issue is to severely punish with lengthy prison sentences those American employers who would entice individuals to illegally immigrate to the United States and work for sub-minimum wage?
I believe that, if if we were to do precisely that, the illegal immigrant problem would disappear.
agree or disagree?
and you, clearly, don't give a shit about obeying the law OR American workers.
no big surprise there!
How do you come to that conclusion? Both daveman and myself were talking about the disadvantages law abidding employers suffer at the hands of those who use illegals. The result is harm to American business owners and workers. We oppose that, so I must conclude you support harming Americans. It would seem you are the one who doesn't care.
maybe I have misunderstood your position? Are you saying that you believe, like I do, that the key to this issue is to severely punish with lengthy prison sentences those American employers who would entice individuals to illegally immigrate to the United States and work for sub-minimum wage?
I believe that, if if we were to do precisely that, the illegal immigrant problem would disappear.
agree or disagree?
No, GWV5903, your behavior toward a service person is inexcusable in this context. So, yeah, the rest of us have to apologize for disdain for the service and the flag our men and women serve. For shame on you.
Yeah, your a great example, and you seam to have a very short memory.....
daveman, I am glad you are as you are.
A friend, a Catholic priest, points out that one cannot know the light unless the dark exists.
Folks like you provide the darkness against the light of goodness shine forth.
So Jake just
You attacked a serviceman's career, which had nothing to do with this argument. I have done no such thing here. Your grade for this thread: Fail!
Fact is that SOUNDS nice but is not a complete approach nor is it that simple. Many illegal's give employers incorrect information. Single people will give fake ID's and fake SSN while claiming to have large families to avoid taxes. What do you do with an employer in that situation? Do I need to check the immigration status of the yard workers I hire to cut my lawn? Will normal citizens that hire illegal immigrants to do jobs like that be sent to jail because they did not check immigration status? I guess no one will hire Mexican people to mow the grass, you MIGHT be an illegal so why would I take that chance? That's the problem with these reactionary problems that frame those 'evil' corporations as the problem.So drug smugglers won't come here if we punish employers?
Tell you what -- you idiot leftists quit smoking pot. That'd help, too.
The bulk of American business are small business owners. People paying both halves of Social Security tax, Medicare tax, all of the unemployment tax, workers compensation insurance, probably 50-100% of the healthcare premium. For the most part, these businesses are not hiring illegals. The ones that are often cheat on the above taxes, benefits and fees along with federal taxes. Might want to consider that maineman types.
consider what? If an employer hires an illegal alien, put the employer in JAIL. PERIOD! There is no ambiguity in that approach. And if we did that, tell me, honestly, how many employers would hire illegal aliens? And if no employers hired illegal aliens, why would they risk life and limb to come here? health care??? It's better in Mexico than it is here. That is one of the reasons I'm moving there next year.
Off topic...
Have you ever been in the Mexican healthcare system? I have and can tell you that it is horrendous. Doctor's credentials are meaningless there. I don't care what happens to me south of the border, I will never utilize that system EVER again.
