Obama's Conservative Opponents Cave-in on Debt Ceiling -- Again

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Obama's Conservative Opponents Cave-in on Debt Ceiling -- Again http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/us/politics/house-passes-3-month-extension-of-debt-limit.html?

not that I think they should raise it, just that they keep the fringe base and a few fringe Congress people all hyped up with promises not to.



What will they do next? Agree to get rid of voting/voter laws they passed in FLA and other paces in order to keep Obama at one term? ( Rick Scott Disavows Role In Controversial Early Voting Law: ‘It Was Not My Bill )

 

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Prior to 1974, Congress had no formal process for establishing a coherent budget. When newly-elected President Richard Nixon began to refuse to spend funds that the Congress had allocated, Congress adopted a more formal means by which to challenge him. The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 created the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and directed more control of the budget to it and away from the President's Office of Management and Budget (OMB). The Act passed easily while the administration was embroiled in the Watergate scandal and unwilling to provoke Congress.[3] United States budget process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[OKTexas]

Cave, not hardly, if fact they did pretty much what I told my congressman they should do. Now it's on the dems to commit to a budget.

 

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Cave, not hardly, if fact they did pretty much what I told my congressman they should do. Now it's on the dems to commit to a budget.

They caved and any budget has to pass the Democratic led Senate.

Good luck with denial...it worked during the election, it will work now...eh?

 

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They are pulling a "Grover Norquist". Which is hilarious.

 

[OKTexas]

Cave, not hardly, if fact they did pretty much what I told my congressman they should do. Now it's on the dems to commit to a budget.

They caved and any budget has to pass the Democratic led Senate.

Good luck with denial...it worked during the election, it will work now...eh?

We'll see, won't we?

 

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Obama's Conservative Opponents Cave-in on Debt Ceiling – Again

Too bad it’s not just a matter of the right coming to their senses, and being interested in practicing responsible governance for a change, in good faith, motivated by what’s best for America as opposed for the GOP.

Oh, well.

 

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They are pulling a "Grover Norquist". Which is hilarious.

The World Economy is waiting for America to get it's act together, maybe they will start looking elsewhere and then the Fear Brokers of the Right will have their nightmares come true

 

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Obama's Conservative Opponents Cave-in on Debt Ceiling – Again

Too bad it’s not just a matter of the right coming to their senses, and being interested in practicing responsible governance for a change, in good faith, motivated by what’s best for America as opposed for the GOP.

Oh, well.

They are still thinking of taking Obama down...the heck with the costs to America and the world

 

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Cave, not hardly, if fact they did pretty much what I told my congressman they should do. Now it's on the dems to commit to a budget.

They caved and any budget has to pass the Democratic led Senate.

Good luck with denial...it worked during the election, it will work now...eh?

Their excoriated when they hint that they might not raise it, and when they do they are equally ridiculed. They should say no more raises without deep cuts - fuck off!

 

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Lets see if Reid and the Senate can go another four years without doing their job and presenting a budget? Obama and the left wanted tax increases they got them not just on the rich but all of us when the social security rate went from 4.2% to 6.2% they didn't want any major cuts there are none they wanted the debt ceiling debate pushed back it is. If Obama, Reid, and the Senate have not passed a budget in the next three months or bring any serious comprises to the table and we hit another impasse good luck trying to blame the Republicans for it. The Republicans can point to what they have comprised on what will the Democrats point to ?

 

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Cave, not hardly, if fact they did pretty much what I told my congressman they should do. Now it's on the dems to commit to a budget.

They caved and any budget has to pass the Democratic led Senate.

Good luck with denial...it worked during the election, it will work now...eh?

Their excoriated when they hint that they might not raise it, and when they do they are equally ridiculed. They should say no more raises without deep cuts - fuck off!

It's a common theme in the not-too-bright crowd to confuse reactions to conservative hypocrisy and tactics with policy differences and reality

 

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Lets see if Reid and the Senate can go another four years without doing their job and presenting a budget? Obama and the left wanted tax increases they got them not just on the rich but all of us when the social security rate went from 4.2% to 6.2% they didn't want any major cuts there are none they wanted the debt ceiling debate pushed back it is. If Obama, Reid, and the Senate have not passed a budget in the next three months or bring any serious comprises to the table and we hit another impasse good luck trying to blame the Republicans for it. The Republicans can point to what they have comprised on what will the Democrats point to ?

The incessant conservative whine of what Reed has or has not done, what Obama is secretly supposed to be up to...it feeds the fringe, but it keeps regular, normal, mainstream Americans from taking the GOP seriously

 

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It's Reid. What Obama, and his cohorts are doing is apparent. Lets see what you say when they do finally refuse to raise the debt ceiling. We all know Obama will continue to have trillion dollar deficits as long as he can, and Reid will never put forth a budget unless forced to.

 

[blackhawk]

Lets see if Reid and the Senate can go another four years without doing their job and presenting a budget? Obama and the left wanted tax increases they got them not just on the rich but all of us when the social security rate went from 4.2% to 6.2% they didn't want any major cuts there are none they wanted the debt ceiling debate pushed back it is. If Obama, Reid, and the Senate have not passed a budget in the next three months or bring any serious comprises to the table and we hit another impasse good luck trying to blame the Republicans for it. The Republicans can point to what they have comprised on what will the Democrats point to ?

The incessant conservative whine of what Reed has or has not done, what Obama is secretly supposed to be up to...it feeds the fringe, but it keeps regular, normal, mainstream Americans from taking the GOP seriously

Just because you can't deal with facts does not change them it is a fact by law the senate is required to present a budget it is a fact they have not for the past four years. Fact two Obama has consistently called for a balanced approach to the budget problem meaning a combination of tax increase and spending cuts . Fact three Obama and the Democrats have not followed through on spending the spending cuts part. Fact four your whining about Republicans reminding you of these facts won't change them.

 

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It's Reid. What Obama, and his cohorts are doing is apparent. Lets see what you say when they do finally refuse to raise the debt ceiling. We all know Obama will continue to have trillion dollar deficits as long as he can, and Reid will never put forth a budget unless forced to.

wake up. a budget is on it's way...unless the GOP in Senate inject some shenanigans

 

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Lets see if Reid and the Senate can go another four years without doing their job and presenting a budget? Obama and the left wanted tax increases they got them not just on the rich but all of us when the social security rate went from 4.2% to 6.2% they didn't want any major cuts there are none they wanted the debt ceiling debate pushed back it is. If Obama, Reid, and the Senate have not passed a budget in the next three months or bring any serious comprises to the table and we hit another impasse good luck trying to blame the Republicans for it. The Republicans can point to what they have comprised on what will the Democrats point to ?

The incessant conservative whine of what Reed has or has not done, what Obama is secretly supposed to be up to...it feeds the fringe, but it keeps regular, normal, mainstream Americans from taking the GOP seriously

Just because you can't deal with facts does not change them it is a fact by law the senate is required to present a budget it is a fact they have not for the past four years. Fact two Obama has consistently called for a balanced approach to the budget problem meaning a combination of tax increase and spending cuts . Fact three Obama and the Democrats have not followed through on spending the spending cuts part. Fact four your whining about Republicans reminding you of these facts won't change them.

Why? Procedures, tactics, politics, the Senate GOP is not blameless.

LOL

Budget

The president submits a budget to Congress by the first Monday in February every year. The budget contains estimates of federal government income and spending for the upcoming fiscal year and also recommends funding levels for the federal government. Congress then must pass appropriations bills based on the president's recommendations and Congressional priorities. If Congress does not pass all appropriations measures by the start of the fiscal year (October 1), it has to enact a continuing resolution to keep the government running.

 

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You mean GOP has been misleading the alarmist fringe base with misinformation?

Noooooooooooooooo, say it ain't so!!!

How stupid are the conservative members here who spout the misleading talking points?

Republicans have relentlessly harangued the Senate's Democratic leadership for failing to pass a budget resolution. "1,000 days without a budget," was the title of a typical missive last month.

On the weekend Jack Lew, who has just been named Barack Obama's chief of staff after serving as his budget director, defended the Senate by saying it couldn't pass a budget without 60 votes, i.e. without the cooperation of some Republicans.

Republicans jumped on Mr Lew, pointing out that under Congress' budget procedure, a budget resolution cannot be filibustered and thus only needs a simple majority vote - typically 51 votes - to pass. Glenn Kessler,

The Washington Post's fact checker, awarded Mr Lew four Pinocchios, the top score, for fibbing.

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In fact, Mr Lew, while wrong on the narrow wording, is right on the substance.

It is true that the Senate can pass a budget resolution with a simple majority vote. But for that budget resolution to take effect, it must have either the cooperation of the house, or at least 60 votes in the Senate.

Only someone intimately familiar with Parliamentary procedure can explain this. Jim Horney of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities is such a person. The following are his edited remarks from our email conversation:

It's true that you cannot filibuster a budget resolution in the Senate, because the Budget Act provides special rules for consideration of a budget resolution, including a time limit on debate.

So the Senate can pass a resolution with only a majority vote.

However, the resolution does not take effect when the Senate passes it. It takes effect in one of two ways: if the House and Senate pass an identical resolution, usually in the form of a conference report; or if the Senate passes a separate Senate Resolution (as opposed to a concurrent resolution, which is what a budget resolution is) that says the House is “deemed” to have agreed to the budget resolution passed by the Senate.

But there are no special procedures for the simple Senate Resolution required by this second, “deeming” process, so it is subject to the unlimited debate allowed on almost everything in the Senate.

If you do not have the support of 60 Senators to invoke cloture and end a filibuster, or prevent a filibuster from even starting (because everyone knows 60 Senators support cloture), you cannot pass such a deeming resolution in the Senate.

Because its rules are different, the House with a simple majority can pass a resolution deeming that the House and Senate have agreed to the House resolution so that it can take effect. This means the allocations in the resolution, such as for appropriations, are in effect in the House and anybody can raise a point-of-order against legislation that would cause a committee to exceed its allocation.

But this is for purposes of enforcement in the House only. What the House does has no effect whatsoever on the Senate or its budget enforcement. And vice versa, if the Senate deems that its budget resolution has been agreed to.

Parliamentary procedure: Why the Senate hasn't passed a budget | The Economist

 

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here's a conservative nitwit saying Reed has broken the law: The American Spectator : What Crime Has Harry Reid Committed?


LOL


then call the cops!!!

 

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Cave, not hardly, if fact they did pretty much what I told my congressman they should do. Now it's on the dems to commit to a budget.

Textbook triangulation.

Obama got his taxes on the dirty rich, and now he got his 'clean' debt ceiling increase.

Now the Senate must stop breaking the law and pass a budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation_(politics)