Obama's African cousin

[AllieBaba]

As I said. You don't mind it, so long as you choose the victim.

And as far as giving Hillary and Obama a "chance". They've had their chance. They're both liars. Even if one is to believe that Bush is a liar at least he had the decency to wait until he was elected...and there's only one accusation so far.

If you want to see what giving Obama a "chance" will do, look at the wholesale slaughter that attended the Brits aborted attempt to withdraw. Think of that on a larger scale, and pile on increased danger to Americans everywhere (especially here) and you'll see what the risks are.

 

[Shogun]

addressing the fact of US history isn't picking and choosing. Hell, in another thread, RIGHT NOW, i've been defending a white christian for drawing a cross in art class.

It's called consistency, dingbat.

 

[AllieBaba]

Your first sentence is a jumbled mess and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh please direct me to the thread where you're defending a white Christian. And let me congratulate on taking steps...

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Just to clear up a few points.

As mentioned previously, Odinga has claimed that Obama is his cousin because it helps him politically. There is nothing to authenticate this claim and Obama has never acknowledged a relationship (although even if they were cousins, so what? - it isn't like they grew up together).

Obama (as far as I can find) has never “supported” Odinga. This theory appears to have sprung from the fact that Obama gave a speech in Kenya in 2006 condemning the corruption of the Kibaki regime (which ultimately suited Odinga just fine). Guess what? The Kibaki regime is corrupt. Kenya is ranked 150th (tied) out of 180 countries in Transparency International’s corruption index.

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/blog/2008/01/the_kenya_conne.html
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi

There were election rumors that Odinga had agreed to institute Sharia law to garner the support of Muslims in the election, but he (and the Muslim organization NAMLEF) have consistently denied it, and it would make limited sense in a country that is 70% Christian and 10% Muslim. Odinga did admit that he agreed to help end discrimination against Muslims. Odinga himself is a Christian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raila_Odinga

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya

Odinga is a social democrat, not a communist (although his father was a communist at a time when it was fashionable to be one in Africa – e.g. Julius Neyrere). He enjoys widespread support across the nation of Kenya.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raila_Odinga

Obama did call Odinga after the disputed election, during which call he encouraged Odinga to “to talk with President Kibaki in order to avoid more bloodshed.”

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/blog/2008/01/the_kenya_conne.html

The outfit that Obama wore when he visited Kenya was not muslim dress, it was traditional garb, and the Kenyan elder who gave it to Obama said “If Bush came, I could have dressed him the same as Barack Obama.”

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iFanjS9RxaqymsBX1rvjVQmLexcgD8V9CNG00

The election was highly disputed and it is equally possible that Odinga actually won the vote. It is hard to tell, of course, because there was widespread vote-rigging on both sides. The best that can be said is that Kibaki stole the election better than Odinga could. (See any major news source for links to this).

The PM position subsequently created for Odinga was the same position that Kibaki had promised (so it is widely believed) to create for him as part of the last election in return for his support. Kibaki ultimately refused to create the position and Odinga became the opposition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raila_Odinga#Multi-party_politics

Why would anyone actually believe that Obama really gives a shit about a second-rate politician in Kenya?

In short, Obama went on a publicity tour/ vacation to Kenya and had some pictures taken with a politician there. The politician used this visit to its utmost electoral advantage, and SE shit a brick.

Well, somebody needs to address this shit….your liberal media Pravda complex has the press gagged and silent. People should be talking about Obama regarding ALL aspects of his life. And given that Obama made the conscious adult choice of a church organization (after having gone to Harvard) that is aligned and dedicated to Africa, it is definitely an obvious area of interest.

So WHY did Obama go over there and get mixed up in Kenya's politics in the first place? And why is the media so silent on this issue?

WHY would Obama go to Kenya (as he did in August of 2006), be hosted by Raila Odinga, and speak in praise of Odinga at rallies in Nairobi?

WHY would a Kenya government spokesman denounce Obama as being Raila's "stooge"?

WHY would Obama condemn the Kibaki regime when the U.S. officially supported it?

WHY does Obama admire a brother who is a Muslim militant who supports Odinga?

Us silly stupid Americans who still believe in actual freedom of the press would like to get some real answers from the press about somebody who would be our President…..I wonder if that is even possible anymore…the silence surrounding this major candidate is absolutely stunning…

Also I don't believe Odinga to be a Christian (he claims to be an Anglican) except as a handy label he might give himself….much the same as he now labels himself as a socialist democrat. Someone brought up by a communist and who names his own son after a communist is highly unlikely to be a Christian, much less a true believer of any religion. Someone who would support Sharia is an unlikely to be a true Christian. Besides, Odinga is well known as an opportunist who will align himself wherever he gets best support….a common trait of communists….

You say Odinga did not promise to help institute Sharia law in return for support by the Islamic vote. This agreement is widely known in Kenya and here is a photocopy of it provided by the Evangelical Alliance of Kenya:
http://eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8

After you read this I hope you have a new understanding of Raila Odinga....another questionable friend of Barack Obama...and thus a better understanding or at least a question mark of Obama himself...

 

[AllieBaba]

Conan O'Brian and Jay Leno both made fun of Obama on the preacher thing last night.

Leno was hilarious.

 

[Shogun]

Your first sentence is a jumbled mess and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh please direct me to the thread where you're defending a white Christian. And let me congratulate on taking steps...

Indeed, let someone mention the FACT of history and of course you go a runnin' talking about a jumbled mess.


and, if you can't find it for yourself then such would be par for the course when a christian avoids evidence that spurs their goofy opinion.

 

[ReillyT]

So WHY did Obama go over there and get mixed up in Kenya's politics in the first place? And why is the media so silent on this issue?

I don't know. Vacation? Photo ops before running for President of the United States? To discover his roots?

He is a US Senator and likely presidential candidate whose family is from Kenya. I can think of a few reasons why he might go to Kenya and politics might somehow become involved.

WHY would Obama go to Kenya (as he did in August of 2006), be hosted by Raila Odinga, and speak in praise of Odinga at rallies in Nairobi?

I have never seen any responsible news outlet claim that Obama spoke "in praise" of Odinga, although I am sure that he said some nice things in private. Odinga was (and is) a formidable and popular Kenyan politician who stood likely to be the next president of Kenya. It makes sense to be nice.

Hosted by Odinga? Did he stay at his house? Date his daughter? What are we talking about here?

WHY would a Kenya government spokesman denounce Obama as being Raila's "stooge"?

Hmmm.... let's think this out. Obama is probably more popular in Kenya than either Odinga or Kibaki. Obama calls out the government for being corrupt (which it is). A government spokesman calls him a "stooge" to discredit the obviously truthful criticism.

WHY would Obama condemn the Kibaki regime when the U.S. officially supported it?

This isn't a dictatorship. Just because the policy of the US is to support the nation of Kenya and to hold the president as legitimately elected (in 8/06), that doesn't mean that a US Senator can't criticize the country for its corruption. Newsflash: It is corrupt.

WHY does Obama admire a brother who is a Muslim militant who supports Odinga?

I didn't read the book. I don't know about this. My guess is your charcterizations are crackpot.

Also I don't believe Odinga to be a Christian (he claims to be an Anglican) except as a handy label he might give himself….much the same as he now labels himself as a socialist democrat.

Based upon your obviously intricate knowledge of both Kenyan politics and Raila Odinga, I will put due consideration to your view.

Someone brought up by a communist and who names his own son after a communist is highly unlikely to be a Christian, much less a true believer of any religion.

That is true. No communist has ever been Christian, or vice-versa. I think actually, you explode if you even try. Can't be done.

You obviously have little clue about the nature of African communism in the 80s or African versions of Christianity.

Besides, Odinga is well known as an opportunist who will align himself wherever he gets best support….a common trait of communists….

A politician as an opportunist. That doesn't right to me.

I think communists also drink their red wine chilled and don't recycle. Oh... and he isn't a communist. No one really is anymore. It is so last generation.

You say Odinga did not promise to help institute Sharia law in return for support by the Islamic vote. This agreement is widely known in Kenya and here is a photocopy of it provided by the Evangelical Alliance of Kenya:
http://eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8

I have seen that, but sorry - it is pretty obviously a forgery. Both parties have denied it, and really, does it make sense to put such an agreement in a Memorandum of Understanding? What? Were they going to take him to court if he didn't abide by the terms after he was elected? Are you that much of a rube?

Finally, may I also point out that Raila Odinga (as much as you may not like him) is a highly popular and respected politician in Kenya whose father was VP and who was imprisoned for standing up against the Moi regime in the 80s. His position in politics (not ideology, but status as opposition leader) makes him the rough equivalent to Nancy Pelosi or Howard Dean in the US. Would you really think it was a big deal if Kibaki had a photo op and said a couple of kind words about Pelosi on his trip to the US?

** On a separate note... once again... who gives a shit? Do you really think Obama is caught up in what the opposition candidate from Kenya is doing? How would this help him, and isn't he a little too busy trying to become the most powerful man on the planet?

 

[AllieBaba]

Indeed, let someone mention the FACT of history and of course you go a runnin' talking about a jumbled mess.


and, if you can't find it for yourself then such would be par for the course when a christian avoids evidence that spurs their goofy opinion.

Alrighty then.

 

[doeton]

and then there's obama's really troublesome cousin...


"Obama are related
17/10/2007 07:26 - (SA)


Washington - Lynne Cheney said on Tuesday that her husband, vice president Dick Cheney, is a distant cousin of his political polar opposite: Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama. "

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I don't know. Vacation? Photo ops before running for President of the United States? To discover his roots?

He is a US Senator and likely presidential candidate whose family is from Kenya. I can think of a few reasons why he might go to Kenya and politics might somehow become involved.

I have never seen any responsible news outlet claim that Obama spoke "in praise" of Odinga, although I am sure that he said some nice things in private. Odinga was (and is) a formidable and popular Kenyan politician who stood likely to be the next president of Kenya. It makes sense to be nice.

Hosted by Odinga? Did he stay at his house? Date his daughter? What are we talking about here?

Hmmm.... let's think this out. Obama is probably more popular in Kenya than either Odinga or Kibaki. Obama calls out the government for being corrupt (which it is). A government spokesman calls him a "stooge" to discredit the obviously truthful criticism.

This isn't a dictatorship. Just because the policy of the US is to support the nation of Kenya and to hold the president as legitimately elected (in 8/06), that doesn't mean that a US Senator can't criticize the country for its corruption. Newsflash: It is corrupt.

I didn't read the book. I don't know about this. My guess is your charcterizations are crackpot.

Based upon your obviously intricate knowledge of both Kenyan politics and Raila Odinga, I will put due consideration to your view.

That is true. No communist has ever been Christian, or vice-versa. I think actually, you explode if you even try. Can't be done.

You obviously have little clue about the nature of African communism in the 80s or African versions of Christianity.

A politician as an opportunist. That doesn't right to me.

I think communists also drink their red wine chilled and don't recycle. Oh... and he isn't a communist. No one really is anymore. It is so last generation.

I have seen that, but sorry - it is pretty obviously a forgery. Both parties have denied it, and really, does it make sense to put such an agreement in a Memorandum of Understanding? What? Were they going to take him to court if he didn't abide by the terms after he was elected? Are you that much of a rube?

Finally, may I also point out that Raila Odinga (as much as you may not like him) is a highly popular and respected politician in Kenya whose father was VP and who was imprisoned for standing up against the Moi regime in the 80s. His position in politics (not ideology, but status as opposition leader) makes him the rough equivalent to Nancy Pelosi or Howard Dean in the US. Would you really think it was a big deal if Kibaki had a photo op and said a couple of kind words about Pelosi on his trip to the US?

** On a separate note... once again... who gives a shit? Do you really think Obama is caught up in what the opposition candidate from Kenya is doing? How would this help him, and isn't he a little too busy trying to become the most powerful man on the planet?

Such cute little "answers". Anybody but a liberal would be embarrassed by them. But I'll bet your ass is a nice sunburnt red from sticking your head in the sand so much.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Uh, okay. You've got some guy in africa no one's ever heard of, who may or may not be obama's cousin, and you have a few youtube snippets of some pastor in chicago. LOL

Good luck with your blind, bush worshipping partisanship! This election will be decided on the economy and on your war in iraq. Not on some obscure guy in africa!

And you've got some smooth-talking politician who is so far to the marxist/socialist left that he makes Hillary look good...

....but he's got your vote because, geewillikers, he looks and talks better than Bush....and oh, he opposed the war from the beginning....in fact he, via his pastor, blamed 9-11 on America...

...yeah, that's the kinda guy we want as our President........NOT

"Yes, Sherman, I agree....ScreamingEagle IS quite the asshole.....but, let's give him more time to get BOTH of his feet in his mouth, first!"​