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Obama's 44. Bill Clinton was 46. Kennedy was 43 and had pretty much the same experience level as Obama.

You know, not everyone is still out engaging in "youthful indiscretions" like drunk driving when they're in their 40's like our current president.
 
Obama's 44. Bill Clinton was 46. Kennedy was 43 and had pretty much the same experience level as Obama.

You know, not everyone is still out engaging in "youthful indiscretions" like drunk driving when they're in their 40's like our current president.

LOL. I know I know. But that doesn't mean they have everything figured out. Bill and Kennedy were known to enjoy youthful sexual exchanges though....I just don't like the thought of men approaching mid-life crisis to be running the country. just my opinion. I've been wrong before though
 
LOL. I know I know. But that doesn't mean they have everything figured out. Bill and Kennedy were known to enjoy youthful sexual exchanges though....I just don't like the thought of men approaching mid-life crisis to be running the country. just my opinion. I've been wrong before though

Daddy Bush is rumored to have enjoyed a bit of side nookie, as was Eisenhower, Roosevelt and any number of others. I think that goes with the whole power territory. I always say that any guy who doesn't admit that at least part of him would be like "hey, babe, wanna see the oval office", isn't being forthcoming. ;)

In the same way that "midlife crisis" might be an issue, so might some older president trying to use bombing countries as his own personal viagra.

Personally, I don't see either as an issue. I'm more concerned with intellectual ability. Although the possibility of someone not being physically able to withstand the pressures of the job worries me. And, frankly, given how much McCain seems really not to know about after so much time in government really concerns me.
 
Ha! That's great. But I can tell you that if he were running today, Richard Nixon would be called a RINO.

He was an environmentalist, pro choice, opened china...

ok...he had a paranoid thing going on, but if he hadn't gotten caught, he'd have probably gone down as one of the greatest presidents ever.... and today, he wouldn't even get through the primaries.

Reminds me of when Goldwater said that a time will come when people in his party would view him as a liberal.
 
Daddy Bush is rumored to have enjoyed a bit of side nookie, as was Eisenhower, Roosevelt and any number of others. I think that goes with the whole power territory. I always say that any guy who doesn't admit that at least part of him would be like "hey, babe, wanna see the oval office", isn't being forthcoming. ;)

In the same way that "midlife crisis" might be an issue, so might some older president trying to use bombing countries as his own personal viagra.

Personally, I don't see either as an issue. I'm more concerned with intellectual ability. Although the possibility of someone not being physically able to withstand the pressures of the job worries me. And, frankly, given how much McCain seems really not to know about after so much time in government really concerns me.

Yeah I know...I guess I'm just stirring the pot a bit. lol.
I really don't care for any candidate. There's nothing that just sticks out and hits me about any of them. Before, there's always (to me) been something that stuck out that I liked. I'm kind of young and have only voted in two-elections, but looking back at other presidents, I can pick out aspects that I like about them, whether it's character, policy, etc... I just can't seem to do that with these candidates. Their all one extreme or another IMO...if you want McCain, expect troops to stay in Iraq for a while, if you vote for Hillary or Obama, either their lying and troops will stay in Iraq for a while, or get ready for a rapid troop withdrawal, either of which will probably have some negative reprecussions. They don't seem to have much middle ground....at least it doesn't appear so.
 
Yeah I know...I guess I'm just stirring the pot a bit. lol.
I really don't care for any candidate. There's nothing that just sticks out and hits me about any of them. Before, there's always (to me) been something that stuck out that I liked. I'm kind of young and have only voted in two-elections, but looking back at other presidents, I can pick out aspects that I like about them, whether it's character, policy, etc... I just can't seem to do that with these candidates. Their all one extreme or another IMO...if you want McCain, expect troops to stay in Iraq for a while, if you vote for Hillary or Obama, either their lying and troops will stay in Iraq for a while, or get ready for a rapid troop withdrawal, either of which will probably have some negative reprecussions. They don't seem to have much middle ground....at least it doesn't appear so.

I think it's a shame that you grew up in the era of the Rush Limbaugh School of Debate. It wasn't always rosy and I know from my parents that the anti-Roosevelt folk were as virulent in their opposition as the pro-Roosevelt folk were in their support. The difference is that now there is the internet where a thousand Goebbel's lies can be told and repeated ad infinitem in a matter of minutes.

I can see where you'd see things as not centrist. I see it more as there are clearly defined differences between the parties now. That is both fortunate and unfortunate. I'm not sure where you want the center to be drawn, though. Thats the problem. If one believes Roe v Wade shouldn't be overturned,there's only one vote to make. If one believes we should be nation-building and reshaping the middle east and abolishing reproductive choice one should vote for McCain, and so on and so on down the line.

There used to be middle ground when it came to domestic policy, but the repubs have adopted the social policy of the religious right. Obviously, that's not acceptable to the other side of the aisle. I think part of the problem is that Karl Rove, in his efforts to create his permanent republican majority, chose wedge issues instead of things that can really be discussed, worked out and ultimately agreed upon.

I heard a speech today by McCain bemoaning the fact that Obama thinks we should have "unconditional" negotiations with Cuba. Well, d'uh. Most dems think the whole Cuba issue is silly. I can go to the former soviet union, but can't go to Havana? That's silly. And the only reason for it is that Cubans in Florida vote Republican. The rest of McCain's speech dealt with how important the NAFTA highway is and how limiting NAFTA woud "hurt our neighbors to the south". Now, we all know that these policies are being pursued because they're pro-corporatist and pander to the latino vote (where Obama has some weakness right now). The fact that these policies hurt workers, hurt the environment, hurt American companies...that's irrelevant to him.
 
just gotta say i knew that alleged quote was bogus from the start...not too mention the doctored photo...
 
I think it's a shame that you grew up in the era of the Rush Limbaugh School of Debate. It wasn't always rosy and I know from my parents that the anti-Roosevelt folk were as virulent in their opposition as the pro-Roosevelt folk were in their support. The difference is that now there is the internet where a thousand Goebbel's lies can be told and repeated ad infinitem in a matter of minutes.

I can see where you'd see things as not centrist. I see it more as there are clearly defined differences between the parties now. That is both fortunate and unfortunate. I'm not sure where you want the center to be drawn, though. Thats the problem. If one believes Roe v Wade shouldn't be overturned,there's only one vote to make. If one believes we should be nation-building and reshaping the middle east and abolishing reproductive choice one should vote for McCain, and so on and so on down the line.

There used to be middle ground when it came to domestic policy, but the repubs have adopted the social policy of the religious right. Obviously, that's not acceptable to the other side of the aisle. I think part of the problem is that Karl Rove, in his efforts to create his permanent republican majority, chose wedge issues instead of things that can really be discussed, worked out and ultimately agreed upon.

I heard a speech today by McCain bemoaning the fact that Obama thinks we should have "unconditional" negotiations with Cuba. Well, d'uh. Most dems think the whole Cuba issue is silly. I can go to the former soviet union, but can't go to Havana? That's silly. And the only reason for it is that Cubans in Florida vote Republican. The rest of McCain's speech dealt with how important the NAFTA highway is and how limiting NAFTA woud "hurt our neighbors to the south". Now, we all know that these policies are being pursued because they're pro-corporatist and pander to the latino vote (where Obama has some weakness right now). The fact that these policies hurt workers, hurt the environment, hurt American companies...that's irrelevant to him.

I know, I can't stand it. I know politics were still dirty in the past, but at least you know where the candidates stood. And nine times out of ten, the candidates really weren't too different. They agreed on alot of things, but just had different methods of going about it. I wish we had politicians who were gold ol' fashioned Americans. I liked Huckabee, and it wasn't because of Christianity. All religion aside, I just liked the guy. He ran a clean campaign (for the most part) and didn't buckle into pressure from other candidates to drop out. And he seems to be a friendly guy. Someone you could invite to a bar-b-que and not worry about feeling ackward. Sure, he had some "jokes" that really weren't very funny, but that's all about being human isn't it? Some jokes are funny, and some aren't. And sometimes you're the ass who doesn't tell the funny joke.

I feel politics has gotten over-complicated. You know, if you look back into history, say 1950s and prior, voters/population weren't nearly as educated as they are today. However, you have numerous Great presidents that were products of the voters. (Theodore R., FDR, Lincoln, Eisenhower, Wilson, etc...) It seems like the uneducated voters of the past were able to choose better presidents. You don't see this anymore. The question is, has the voter changed? or has the presidential political process changed?
I believe politics has become so complicated, that we, as a people can't even choose a decent president. There hasn't really been any TRULY great presidents since the 50s in my opinion. Kennedy was popular, young, and had good ideas and morals, but he didn't really have time to do the Great things that could have been done. I won't even get into Reagan....Anyway, this is how I feel about it.
 
just gotta say i knew that alleged quote was bogus from the start...not too mention the doctored photo...

Is the photo docotored too??? I was under the impression that the photo was real, but the quote wasn't. The photo was run on all major media stations. The quote wasn't.
 
Is the photo docotored too??? I was under the impression that the photo was real, but the quote wasn't. The photo was run on all major media stations. The quote wasn't.

I think the photo is real. What the doeton is probably referring to is that at first you wingnuts tried to pretend they were reciting the pledge.

btw, it was good of you to admit to being wrong.
 
I think the photo is real. What the doeton is probably referring to is that at first you wingnuts tried to pretend they were reciting the pledge.

btw, it was good of you to admit to being wrong.

Well if I'm wrong I'll admit it. :cool: If it's something as trivial as that. I'm not sure that this wingnut (me) claimed that they were saying the pledge, I think they were listening to the star spangled banner. From what I've read.
 

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