Obamacare mandate is precedent setting, in a BIG way

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    I thought this was obvious, but some apparently don't realize that a federal mandate requiring individuals to purchase health insurance is not only precedent setting, but completely blows out of the water the long established precedent that only state and local governments have that type of authority. You might think that it's no big deal to give this authority to the federal government too, but that's because you're stupid.
     
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    stupid is as stupid does.
     
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    Congress can regulate inter-state commerce. An uninsured person from Arkansas getting injured, without insurance, in Hawaii costs Hawaii, not the state in which they reside.
     
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    That's close to the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
     
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    Arguing that it's precedent is the wrong way to go about this. After all, Pace v Alabama, Plessy v. Ferguson, Dred Scott v. Sandford, and Hirabayashi v. United States were all once precedent at one point or another.

    The right way is to argue that it violates someone's civil liberties. After all, would those who support the Federal mandate support a mandate that all U.S citizens must own a firearm?

    The other worst thing about the mandate is it forces people to buy private for-profit insurance. The implications of that are a pandora's box in of itself.
     
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    On another note, I always find it completely laughable when someone says the mandate is just another evil way by Liberals to try and control everything.

    History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010 - Health Care Reform - ProCon.org

    While the new healthcare bill does some good things (getting rid of pre-existing conditions for starters), the ones who are probably most happy with the bill at the end of the day are the Health insurance companies.
     
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    I agree, and don't believe our points are conflicting at all.
     
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    You should be happy, Obama, Reid and Pelosi wanted you to be forced to by government aka public insurance.

    Immie
     
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    What do you mean? Are you referring to the Public option that Candidate Obama supported but President Obama did not even put on the table during the health care debate?

    I support a public option. It works for many countries, including the vast majority of those countries left with AAA ratings.
     
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    give her time.

    she'll exceed your expectations presently
     
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