Obamacare Architect: Time for Single Payer

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    We should just have government provide us with all our necessities.
     
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    Not really. Health care is ultimately a public good. The reason health care doesn't work in the classic supply and demand fashion is multifaceted. First of all, and most importantly, it's a credence good. It also suffers from information asymmetries between sellers (physicians) and purchasers (patients) of health care.

    We can assume the private sector is more efficient than the public sector most of the time, but there are exceptions to the rule. Things like imperfect competition, informational asymmetries, etc. Our goals as a society don't revolve around profit-seeking opportunities for the private sector. This is where public purpose comes into the picture. It boils down to efficiency and effectiveness of government.
     
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    Well, no. Ultimately, health care is about the most personal, individual concern anyone has. That's the point behind my sarcastic comment. If you're willing to declare health care a "public good", and thus controlled by government, what else would you go after?

    Health care works fine in a free market. What doesn't work is "group" health insurance.
     
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    I don't live in the US, that's a political decision, what you want to make public goods. If you lived in a functional nation, your leaders would want a healthy and educated citizenry, not people going bankrupt and literally dying from lack of insurance (roughly 45k per year in the US).

    Health care works fine in a free market. What doesn't work is "group" health insurance.[/QUOTE]

    First of all, there no such thing as a "free market". There hasn't been a "free market" since humans were hunter-gatherers. Once we had the rise of city-states, we entered the realm of political economy. Obviously, in terms of health care, the "free market" doesn't work. It's an abysmal failure if universal coverage is one tof the goals.

    Obamacare will fail with regards to the other developed nations and your country will continue to take a backseat to the developed world until people finally comprehend single payer is the most effective and efficient delivery mechanism for health care.

    It should be abundantly clear the health care market doesn't operate properly as result of special interests controlling prices in the private sector, so there's not even a semblance of correct market pricing, The entire business model of health insurers is to deny coverage, cherry pick and deny coverage which leads us to where we are today in the US. All other developed and emerging nations realize this and have instituted some type of universal coverage which consists of public and private or a combination of both.

    If you want to see what a comprehensive and efficient health care system looks like, buy a ticket, and get on a plane to Italy.
     
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    Well...yeah. You guys should helicopter ride the CEOs of health insurance firms. I mean, what do they do? Besides act as middlemen, extract
    rents, and impose massive externalities on US society.
     
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    There's some truth here. Our leaders do want a healthy, educated citizenry. They also want obedient citizens, who can't afford to piss off their government.

    Oh god, not this shit again. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater so there NO SUCH THING as freedom of speech! Is this just an attempt at distraction? Kind of a "baffle them with bullshit" tact?

    I don't actually want a government preoccupied with making society "comprehensive and efficient". I want a government that protects our freedom - first and foremost. Caretaker government is slavery.
     
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    You're an economic illiterate. No point in addressing the pointless
     
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    Clothing is a necessity, have you every watched "Naked and Afraid"? Why doesn't the government provide each with the same spiffy uniform?
     
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    So what ?

    Who cares ?
     

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