Obama Wrong Again College Not the Answer for Jobs.. Jobs Are Here For Skilled Labor

[Jackson]

Obama Wrong Again…College Not the Answer for Jobs.. Jobs Are Here For Skilled Labor

Obama's Expensive Answer:

FACT SHEET: President Obama’s Blueprint for Keeping College Affordable and Within Reach for All Americans

In today’s global economy, a college education is no longer just a privilege for some, but rather a prerequisite for all. To reach a national goal of leading the world with the highest share of college graduates by 2020, we must make college more affordable

Maintain adequate levels of funding for higher education in order to address important long-term causes of cost growth at the public institutions that serve two-thirds of four-year college students.

Serving low-income students, enrolling and graduating relatively higher numbers of Pell-eligible students.
FACT SHEET: President Obama

U.S. Manufacturing Sees Shortage of Skilled Factory Workers

A recent report by Deloitte for the Manufacturing Institute, based on a survey of manufacturers, found that as many as 600,000 jobs are going unfilled. By comparison, the unemployed in the United States number 12.8 million, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
“High unemployment is not making it easier to fill positions, particularly in the areas of skilled production and production support,” the Deloitte report found.

Similarly, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that although fewer machinists would be employed in the future, job opportunities “should continue to be good” because many young people with the right aptitudes were preferring other fields.

To fill slots, a few manufacturers have turned to hiring candidates who are untrained but have the inclination to work with their hands. Some recruiters said they like to find people who like to fix dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Then they train the candidates. Many companies have apprenticeship programs.

Hundreds are taking job-specific training. The company has even arranged with Central Piedmont Community College to develop a “mechatronics” curriculum with an associate’s degree.
U.S. manufacturing sees shortage of skilled factory workers - The Washington Post

Wanted: Blue-Collar Workers

given that the region has suffered from unemployment for a generation and is just emerging from the worst recession in decades. Yet across the heartland, even in high-unemployment areas, one hears the same concern: a shortage of skilled workers capable of running increasingly sophisticated, globally competitive factories. That shortage is surely a problem for manufacturers like Wright. But it also represents an opportunity, should Americans be wise enough to embrace it, to reduce the nation’s stubbornly high unemployment rate.

Driving the skilled-labor shortage is a remarkable resurgence in American manufacturing. Since 2009, the number of job openings in manufacturing has been rising, with average annual earnings of $73,000, well above the average earnings in education, health services, and many other fields, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

Tool and Die Makers Desperately Casting for Workers

Eighty percent of the USA's 5,800 tool and die firms — small firms with an average 30 employees — are seeking one to five workers, estimates Dave Tilstone, head of the National Tool & Machining Association.
Fledgling workers typically complete four-year apprenticeships, after which they can make $60,000 a year. "Johnny and Mary don't have to go to college to make a decent living," Tilstone says.

If Obama had been listening, he'd find out that billions of dollars could have been saved be telling the public wshere the jobs could be found instead of sending students, some of who were not candidates for college to school where they would end up without a future at the end of the career without the training they really needed.

Good job Obama. Not listening, again.

 

[Jackson]

People are making $1000 a week with no experience. Jobs are waiting. Kids are coming out of highschool to take these jobs! On Fox now.

Companies are training their own people.

 

[Jackson]

Maybe another answer is we are paying people not to work...

 

[Richard-H]

Singling out Obama for this is just not fair.

Out entire society under values mechanical skills and over-values acedemic skills. This is because we've evolved from a master/slave soceity (barely). Our system is based on maintaining a social order, not on capitalist economic by any means.

I have 2 sons, one is acedemically gifted, the other is mechanically gifted. The school system promotes the acedemically gifted son, but all but ignores the mechanically gifted son. His abilities are not valued. But which one of these two is going to create wealth in his life time?

One of the primary reasons that the U.S. economy is faultering is that we devalue labor and promote non-wealth creating skills...more social skills than any real skills. Service industries do NOT create wealth.

Meanwhile, the Chinese are focusing on labor intensive industries. This is why the U.S. economy is faultering and the Chinese economy is growing. Those who create wealth own the world.

It's hard to imagine but there was a time when Americans were world famous for their work ethics...for their labor. Nowadays Americans don't do the labor thing...we hav immigrants for that. G.W.B. once said that illegal immgrants work at jobs that Americans won't do. That's prmarily becuase those jobs don't pay, but also because, we as a soceity look down on labor job.

If anything you've created a wonderful argument for accusing Obama of not being enough of a leftist.

If people were paid on par with their productive value, the whole world's economic order would be reversed.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

If you go to college. study something useful like engineering. Don't wast your time on liberal arts crap like Medieval History or Sociology. Of course most people don't have the brains for engineering and they should skip college.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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If people were paid on par with their productive value, the whole world's economic order would be reversed.

Damn right. Most high-paying jobs are in non-productive fields like law or banking or entertainment.

 

[buckeye45_73]

It's all because they want a chance to brainwash you into the socialism cuture of the academy. It's amazing what these people think and defend.

 

[Jackson]

Singling out Obama for this is just not fair.

Out entire society under values mechanical skills and over-values acedemic skills. This is because we've evolved from a master/slave soceity (barely). Our system is based on maintaining a social order, not on capitalist economic by any means.

I have 2 sons, one is acedemically gifted, the other is mechanically gifted. The school system promotes the acedemically gifted son, but all but ignores the mechanically gifted son. His abilities are not valued. But which one of these two is going to create wealth in his life time?

One of the primary reasons that the U.S. economy is faultering is that we devalue labor and promote non-wealth creating skills...more social skills than any real skills. Service industries do NOT create wealth.

Meanwhile, the Chinese are focusing on labor intensive industries. This is why the U.S. economy is faultering and the Chinese economy is growing. Those who create wealth own the world.

It's hard to imagine but there was a time when Americans were world famous for their work ethics...for their labor. Nowadays Americans don't do the labor thing...we hav immigrants for that. G.W.B. once said that illegal immgrants work at jobs that Americans won't do. That's prmarily becuase those jobs don't pay, but also because, we as a soceity look down on labor job.

If anything you've created a wonderful argument for accusing Obama of not being enough of a leftist.

If people were paid on par with their productive value, the whole world's economic order would be reversed.

He has promoted the fact that he wants everyone to go to college, ignoring the fact that not everyone are college bound material and we don't have the jobs for everyone to go that career path.

1.The Pell grant subsidies could be going into vocational schools where we need to train skilled labor workers.

2. Colleges now offer remedial reading and writing classes proving that non college material students are entering colleges and they just don't belong there.

3. The money going into the grants are pushing up the costs of college for everyone who is not considered needy and making the middle class trying to pay for college when it is a insurmountable cost when it isn't necessary.

4. Government has paid so many NOT to work that welfare recipients are claiming there are no jobs out there when inexperienced 18 year olds with a work ethic are pulling down incomes unthought of years before.

5. I'm a fiscal conservative, not a rightwing nut looking to blame Obama for all the world's ills. He's wrong about touting that all the needy should be going to to four year programs (or even everyone) when they should be looking at the market and their own particular aptitudes.

Stop with the over doing of Pell grants and burdensome student loans that taxpayers have to pay for when the answer is out there waiting for the people already without any cost to them or taxpayers.

 

[uscitizen]

Amazon is opening a call center near here.
About 300 or so jobs over the next year or so.
several thousand applicants already.
Pays around $10/hr.

 

[Charles_Main]

Amazon is opening a call center near here.
About 300 or so jobs over the next year or so.
several thousand applicants already.
Pays around $10/hr.

We recently had 200 Jobs here come up at a pretty good Union Show that makes Parts for a Defense Contractor. over 30,000 thousand people applied.


What a great economy.

 

[g5000]

It's a simple fact that college graduates earn more and have a lower unemployment rate.

 

[swizzlee]

Not reading either................

or he might discover that 50% of those college grads in the past four years, after voting for him, are unemployed or under-employed.

Is there anyone in your WH, all those advisors with their college degrees, who knows how to read?

 

[Londoner]

I have a plan Jackson.

First, lets go back in time to the late 60s. This is when big business started investing heavily in the Republican Party.

Jackson: "Why were they investing in the GOP SO heavily?"

Londoner: "Jackson, they grew tired of the postwar compact between labor and capital. The compact was this: business would pay blue collar workers the world's highest wages, which would in turn fuel the greatest consumption economy the world has ever known. The theory was that "democratic capitalism" would cultivate inclusion and upward mobility by increasing the compensation of America's lowest paid workers - you know the workers I'm taking about, right? -the poor, the folks who overwhelmingly fight our wars. We believed that if this group of people had more spending-money and more benefits (so, for example, they were not bankrupted by medical costs), then they would be able to consume more."

Jackson: "So, why do they need to consume more?"

Londoner: "Because when they consume more, the capitalist has an incentive to innovate and add more jobs. And then there are even more people who can consume... AND those new consumers force the capitalist to invest and add even more jobs in order to satisfy all the new demand. It's called a virtuous cycle"

Jackson: "What is your point jerk-wad?"

Londoner: "In the 60s, when big business started investing in the GOP, they had a very specific agenda. That being: they were sick of paying such high labor costs. This is why Nixon opened China and Reagan put military bases all over the 3rd world. So the US would have access to cheap labor all over the developing world. This would make it so the big business and the investment class could realize a larger return on their investment?"

Jackson: "But what about the American worker? What did he do without his high wages and benefits? How did he consumer? How could he afford to buy a home, or send his kid to school, or help a sick family member get a life-saving operation?"

Londoner: "Starting in 1980, after Reagan had finally won the long war against Labor and the high paid American worker - after he finally gave capital the mobility to harvest sweatshop labor from China to Taiwan and Grenada- he and the GOP began to deregulate finance so that financial institutions could lend American households enough money to make up for their lost wages and benefits (-without wages, how else would they consume?). Rather than paying workers a livable wage, the upper classes would make incredible interest off their backs. You see Jackson, by lending the American worker the money which used to be paid to the worker in wages and benefits, the profit potential was massive. This created an artificial "credit democracy" and gave Americans the illusion that it was "Morning in America" and that their living standards were rising. In essence, though, the American middle class went on a 30 year debt-fueled spending orgy (and business loved it because they (business) were able to sell their products and make huge profits . . .AND then they gave those profits to the banks who loaned it back to the workers, who paid massive interest to the businesses who leant them the money."

Jackson: "Wait. So you're saying that we went from a healthy economy of upward mobility and wage based consumption to an unhealthy economy of diminished wages coupled with debt based consumption? Wouldn't that lead to problems? Granted, the wealthy realized massive profits because they were able to cut the American worker out of the loop, but how could we levitate on debt so long?"

Londoner: "Good question Jackson. As you can imagine, once you start borrowing, you need to keep borrowing ever-larger sums (to payback your ever-growing debt), This causes problems because you have to keep finding new sources of money. So you keep growing asset bubbles. Eventually, you even help workers turn their homes into ATM. You do this to cover up the fact that the money isn't trickling down. The wealthy are just getting richer, but they're not investing in your nation's economy because they've bankrupted their consumers by trying to keep the economy alive on debt (rather than wages and benefits). Even worse: you've set up monopolies over their health care, so they have less and less money each year to buy other things."

Jackson: "All we need to do is give businesses and the wealthy tax cuts. Then, they'll add jobs."

Londoner: "No. They can't add jobs when consumers have no money to spend. Businesses are sitting on the largest cash reserves in history because they have no consumers - they can't even sell their current inventories. You see Jackson. Tax cuts to the wealthy doesn't create consumer demand. Tax cuts only result in jobs when demand (spending money) already to capture. Tax cuts worked in the 80s and 90s because the government radically expanded consumer and household credit. They handed out plastic cards and silly mortgages, which created all this spending money - and so business had an incentive to add jobs in order to capture that money."

Jackson: "So what's the solution moron?"

Londoner: "Recapitalize the middle class by re-tooling all the demand-based policies that that the GOP has been unwinding since 1980. If you don't do that, you will never get consumers back. You can't have a domestic economy where the owners/investors of a business make dynastic wealth and the workers don't make enough to consumer. You either have to make them solvent through wages/benefits or after-market policies that put money in their wallet for the capitalist to capture."

Jackson: "What are you saying?"

Londoner: "I'm saying turn off Talk Radio. We need your help brother. You've been lied to."

 

[waltky]

Granny says it's a racket to get yer money...

College Is a Debtor's Prison for the American Family
7/24/12 - The U.S. higher education system is a pretty good business, as college costs are rising way ahead of the rate of inflation, and ahead of the ability of U.S. families to pay for a college education.

That leaves parents with a potentially brutal decision to make. Should they bite the bullet and take out loans to pay for the skyrocketing cost of college? Or should they send their kids to more an inexpensive alternative, at least in the short term, like a community college or trade school? Here is how college education costs match up against the rate of inflation since 1986, according to the financial web site InflationData.com :

U.S. inflation rate since 1986: 115.06%
Rise in college costs since 1986: 498.31%
Expected four-year cost of state college by 2015: $120,000
Total current student loan debt: $40 Billion

Amid this economic catch-22, more and more parents say they can't afford the cost of sending their kids' to college. However, they still plan to do exactly that. In fact, 75% of U.S. parents want to aid their children with college, but are worried they can't come up with the money, according to a study from Discover Financial Services. Some other key pieces of data from the study:

81% of parents with college-bound kids between the ages of 16-18 said college was "very important" to their child's future.
75% of parents said they are worried about covering college costs; 17% are "not very worried," and the remaining parents are "not worried at all."
29% of parents say they can pay for 25% of college tuition; 15% say they can pay for half; and 23% of parents said they could pay for 75% of college costs.
87% of parents say their kids should be responsible for some or their entire college bill.

Additionally, the Discover survey says that over 55% of parents will help their kids pay off college loans, and that could mean dipping into home equity or retirement savings to get those loans put to bed. That's a great deal for colleges and universities, but a lousy one for U.S. families. Unfortunately, like most trends during the economic downturn that have worked against the U.S. middle class, there doesn't seem to be much parents can do about it other than to search out the lowest-cost college alternatives.

More on college costs:

 

[hortysir]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h_pp8CHEQ0]Mike Rowe Speaks To Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee [05-11-11] - YouTube[/ame]

 

[candycorn]

I think the solution is to pay for college the same way you pay for your social security.

The Federal Government will pay for your 60 hours of training at a State accredited college. If you want to take 60 hours of philosophy, take 60 hours of philosophy. The amount of money congruent to the 60 hours costs + a percentage to pay for deadbeats will be taken out of your future earnings.

If you want to use the 60 hours to learn plumbing, electrical engineering, dance, drama, or cable television installation, that's fine. It will be paid for later when you start drawing paychecks.

If you want to use 30 hours now to get a certificate in Pharmacy Technology great. Later on as you're working as a CPhT and you would like to take the remaining 30 hours to get your advanced cert in compounding or whatever, you can do that too.

Yes, there will be some who never draw the paycheck.

 

[Claudette]

Plenty of college grads out there right now who are unemployed.

Haven't seen a plumber, electrican or an auto mechanic out of work. Nothing wrong with skilled labor and the bucks are out there for em.

 

[waltky]

Middle class can't afford college...

Study: College becoming unaffordable to Middle Class
August 23, 2012 - Many Florida families have been paying up to 25 percent of median income for public in-state college costs — out of reach for some middle-class parents who have taken recent pay cuts or lost jobs, according to a new study.

Some South Florida families are paying even more — plunking down what amounts to about a third of the median income for Floridians for students to attend Florida International University or Florida Atlantic University, according to the study co-written by the Research Institute on Social and Economic Policy at FIU. With 15 percent tuition hikes starting this fall, FAU students will pay more than $17,000 a year, including room and board. FIU students face similar costs.

Meanwhile, the Great Recession has shrunk median household income to $48,772 in Broward and $49,660 in Palm Beach County by 2009, the U.S. Census Bureau reported. In fact, the American middle class finished the last decade poorer and in fewer numbers than when the 21st Century began, according to a Pew Research Center report released Wednesday. As a result, college is becoming unaffordable to a growing number of South Florida families and students, unless they go deeply into debt, concluded Bruce Nissen, a co-author of the report and chairman of the advisory committee of Research Institute on Social and Economic Policy. "Students are being priced out of an education," said Nissen, who also worked with researchers at the New York-based Demos, a national public policy center.

Kids are bearing the brunt of the state's recent budget tightening, he added. Florida has cut higher education spending 40 percent in three years — with in-state public universities responding by raising tuition, fees and dorm costs. "Until I did the study, I didn't realize it was that bad," Nissen said. The rising college costs will keep some kids from becoming educated to fill future jobs that will require a sheepskin, according to the study, "Florida's Great Cost Shift: How Higher Education Cuts Undermine Its Future Middle Class." Parents are feeling "panic and fear" once they start looking into college costs, said J. Jay Greene, president of Boca Raton-based College Planning PhD.

Greene is trying to get younger moms and dads to attend his free college-planning workshops. Most don't start looking into college costs until their children are juniors or seniors in high school. "Parents need to start saving sooner," he said. They also can't count on Bright Futures paying for most of their children's tuition — not when the state has been chipping away at the scholarships, Greene said. And moms and dads need to consider other cost-cutting options, such as having their kids stay at home and go to Broward College or Palm Beach State University for at least a couple of years, Greene added. The first two years in college are usually spent taking prerequisite courses before students start focusing on their undergraduate major, he said.

Source

 

[waltky]

Go to mining school instead...

Harvard graduates earn less than mining-school counterparts
9/19/2012 - Harvard University's graduates are earning less than those from the South Dakota School of Mines & Technology after a decade-long commodity bull market created shortages of workers and minerals.

Those leaving the college of 2,300 students this year got paid a median salary of $56,700, according to PayScale, which tracks employee compensation data from surveys. At Harvard, where tuition fees are almost four times higher, they got $54,100. Those scheduled to leave the Rapid City, S.D., campus in May are already getting offers, at a time when about one in 10 recent U.S. college graduates is out of work. "It doesn't seem to be too hard to get a job in mining," said Jaymie Trask, a 22-year-old chemical-engineering major who was offered a post paying more than $60,000 a year at Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold. "If you work hard in school for four or five years, you're pretty much set."

A fourfold gain in commodities in the past decade reflects both surging demand and the industry's failure to keep up. While new mineral deposits are getting harder to find, companies also are struggling to add enough skilled workers. As many as 78,000 additional U.S. workers will be needed by 2019 to replace retirees, the Society for Mining, Metallurgy & Exploration said in a report in January. In Australia, the largest shipper of coal and iron ore, there will be a shortfall of 1,700 mine engineers, 3,000 geoscientists and 36,000 other workers in the five years ending in 2015, the report said.

Demand for mining-school graduates is exceptional in the U.S., where the unemployment rate for 20- to 24-year-olds with bachelor's degrees was 11.8 percent in July. The jobless rate across the economy held above 8 percent for a 43rd month in August, government data show. Universities trimmed courses in earth sciences, mineral geology and mine engineering when the industry contracted in the 1980s and 1990s, said Diana Stewart, the marketing director at Hampshire, U.K.-based jobs4mining.com, a message board that links recruiters and prospective workers worldwide. Shortages in mine engineering and project management are acute, she said. Fourteen U.S. schools offer mining-engineering degrees, including Colorado School of Mines in Golden, compared with 30 in 1982, according to Dave Kanagy, executive director of the Society for Mining, Metallurgy & Exploration in Englewood.

Read more: Harvard graduates earn less than mining-school counterparts - The Denver Post Harvard graduates earn less than mining-school counterparts - The Denver Post

 

[Mac-7]

Obama Wrong Again…College Not the Answer for Jobs.. Jobs Are Here For Skilled Labor

Obama's Expensive Answer:

FACT SHEET: President Obama’s Blueprint for Keeping College Affordable and Within Reach for All Americans

In today’s global economy, a college education is no longer just a privilege for some, but rather a prerequisite for all. To reach a national goal of leading the world with the highest share of college graduates by 2020, we must make college more affordable

Maintain adequate levels of funding for higher education in order to address important long-term causes of cost growth at the public institutions that serve two-thirds of four-year college students.

Serving low-income students, enrolling and graduating relatively higher numbers of Pell-eligible students.
FACT SHEET: President Obama

U.S. Manufacturing Sees Shortage of Skilled Factory Workers

A recent report by Deloitte for the Manufacturing Institute, based on a survey of manufacturers, found that as many as 600,000 jobs are going unfilled. By comparison, the unemployed in the United States number 12.8 million, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
“High unemployment is not making it easier to fill positions, particularly in the areas of skilled production and production support,” the Deloitte report found.

Similarly, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that although fewer machinists would be employed in the future, job opportunities “should continue to be good” because many young people with the right aptitudes were preferring other fields.

To fill slots, a few manufacturers have turned to hiring candidates who are untrained but have the inclination to work with their hands. Some recruiters said they like to find people who like to fix dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Then they train the candidates. Many companies have apprenticeship programs.

Hundreds are taking job-specific training. The company has even arranged with Central Piedmont Community College to develop a “mechatronics” curriculum with an associate’s degree.
U.S. manufacturing sees shortage of skilled factory workers - The Washington Post

Wanted: Blue-Collar Workers

given that the region has suffered from unemployment for a generation and is just emerging from the worst recession in decades. Yet across the heartland, even in high-unemployment areas, one hears the same concern: a shortage of skilled workers capable of running increasingly sophisticated, globally competitive factories. That shortage is surely a problem for manufacturers like Wright. But it also represents an opportunity, should Americans be wise enough to embrace it, to reduce the nation’s stubbornly high unemployment rate.

Driving the skilled-labor shortage is a remarkable resurgence in American manufacturing. Since 2009, the number of job openings in manufacturing has been rising, with average annual earnings of $73,000, well above the average earnings in education, health services, and many other fields, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

Tool and Die Makers Desperately Casting for Workers

Eighty percent of the USA's 5,800 tool and die firms — small firms with an average 30 employees — are seeking one to five workers, estimates Dave Tilstone, head of the National Tool & Machining Association.
Fledgling workers typically complete four-year apprenticeships, after which they can make $60,000 a year. "Johnny and Mary don't have to go to college to make a decent living," Tilstone says.

If Obama had been listening, he'd find out that billions of dollars could have been saved be telling the public wshere the jobs could be found instead of sending students, some of who were not candidates for college to school where they would end up without a future at the end of the career without the training they really needed.

Good job Obama. Not listening, again.

Obama is an overeducated fool