Obama wants to expand power to ignore Constitution

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A Democratic congressman has introduced new legislation that advances the Obama administration’s request for clearer legal authority to delay reading terrorism suspects their Miranda rights.
The bill filed Thursday by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) would change federal law by creating a procedure to question a suspected terrorist for up to four days before taking him or her to court without jeopardizing prosecutors’ ability to use statements made by a suspect during that time.

It would also express Congress’s view that authorities can delay reading Miranda warnings “for as long as is necessary” to elicit intelligence from a terror suspect.

“My goal is to make sure we’re not hamstrung using evidence and that the top priority is public safety, which is the way it should be,” Schiff told POLITICO. “I want to make sure that law enforcement and the intelligence community have enough opportunity to interview someone to prevent an impending attack.”

'As long as is necessary' terror bill - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

Hope and Change, just keep repeating, Hope and Change

Funny think, if Holder wasn't so keen on reading terrorists their Miranda rights he could question them under exceptions that already exist. Instead they want to question them and still use that evidence against them.
 
Only a buffoon truly believes the CIA is doing things any differently today than they did 3 years ago. The only change , and maybe this hasn't even changed, is that they no longer inform the President of their methods.
 
a congressman introduce a bill... the O/P has no idea what obama thinks of it and the thread title is a lie.

nice!

and glad the o/p is all worried about the constitution' but in the same breath states he doesn't give a rats patoot about the 4th amendment.

pathetic...
 
A Democratic congressman has introduced new legislation that advances the Obama administration’s request for clearer legal authority to delay reading terrorism suspects their Miranda rights.
The bill filed Thursday by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) would change federal law by creating a procedure to question a suspected terrorist for up to four days before taking him or her to court without jeopardizing prosecutors’ ability to use statements made by a suspect during that time.

It would also express Congress’s view that authorities can delay reading Miranda warnings “for as long as is necessary” to elicit intelligence from a terror suspect.

“My goal is to make sure we’re not hamstrung using evidence and that the top priority is public safety, which is the way it should be,” Schiff told POLITICO. “I want to make sure that law enforcement and the intelligence community have enough opportunity to interview someone to prevent an impending attack.”

'As long as is necessary' terror bill - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

Hope and Change, just keep repeating, Hope and Change

Funny think, if Holder wasn't so keen on reading terrorists their Miranda rights he could question them under exceptions that already exist. Instead they want to question them and still use that evidence against them.
On one hand, the Miranda "right" is as of questionable merit as that of the Roe decision.

OTOH, it's completely in character for the current empire to cherry pick which constitutional precepts and accepted *ahem* case law that they're going to recognize and those which they'll ignore.

But they're not authoritarian, or despotic, or anything like that. :rolleyes:
 
a congressman introduce a bill... the O/P has no idea what obama thinks of it and the thread title is a lie.

nice!

and glad the o/p is all worried about the constitution' but in the same breath states he doesn't give a rats patoot about the 4th amendment.

pathetic...

Don't forget "pitiful".
 
a congressman introduce a bill... the O/P has no idea what obama thinks of it and the thread title is a lie.

nice!

and glad the o/p is all worried about the constitution' but in the same breath states he doesn't give a rats patoot about the 4th amendment.

pathetic...

Now you KNOW without doubt that no bill of this magnitude is hitting the floor without the President's tacit approval. Seriously Jillian that is beneath you to suggest.


Also, I just don't see where in QW's post where he says the 4th Amendment doesn't matter. But I will say this. Why do you think Holder was suggesting stripping suspected terrorists of their US citizenship if they were so equipped. Why because he and Obama both know that depsite the crying from the loons when BOOOSH was in power, the 4th doesn't apply to non US citizens and so shipping their asses down to Guantanamo or some other unknown CIA station and "torturing" their asses is perfectly acceptable. So maybe you should question THEM about the 4th. While you're at it give them a ringy ding about Article 1 Section 8 and inform them that in fact the entire COTUS is available online if they haven't read it, which I don't think they have.
 
a congressman introduce a bill... the O/P has no idea what obama thinks of it and the thread title is a lie.

nice!

and glad the o/p is all worried about the constitution' but in the same breath states he doesn't give a rats patoot about the 4th amendment.

pathetic...

The OP has no idea what the Obama administration thinks of it? The OP doesn't care about the 4th Amendment?

While I concede I could be wrong about what the Obama administration thinks about this bill, I challenge you to show me anywhere I ever posted anything that shows less that full contempt for anyone restricting anyone's civil rights. I didn't like it when Bush did it, and I do not like it when Obama does it. That at least makes me consistent.

It seems to me you change your position based on who is in the White House.
 
a congressman introduce a bill... the O/P has no idea what obama thinks of it and the thread title is a lie.

nice!

and glad the o/p is all worried about the constitution' but in the same breath states he doesn't give a rats patoot about the 4th amendment.

pathetic...

Don't forget "pitiful".

Looking in a mirror again?

Do you think it is a good idea to strip someone of their Constitutional protection simply because a Democrat is in the White House instead of a Republican?

Oh wait, according to you Democrats never do anything like this. Only Republicans could possibly ever want to take away someone's civil rights simply because they are accused of a crime. How does your world look now that a Democrat is proposing a bill like this?

One of these days I should introduce you to the cosponsors of the USA PATRIOT Act.
 
A Democratic congressman has introduced new legislation that advances the Obama administration’s request for clearer legal authority to delay reading terrorism suspects their Miranda rights.
The bill filed Thursday by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) would change federal law by creating a procedure to question a suspected terrorist for up to four days before taking him or her to court without jeopardizing prosecutors’ ability to use statements made by a suspect during that time.

It would also express Congress’s view that authorities can delay reading Miranda warnings “for as long as is necessary” to elicit intelligence from a terror suspect.

“My goal is to make sure we’re not hamstrung using evidence and that the top priority is public safety, which is the way it should be,” Schiff told POLITICO. “I want to make sure that law enforcement and the intelligence community have enough opportunity to interview someone to prevent an impending attack.”
'As long as is necessary' terror bill - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

Hope and Change, just keep repeating, Hope and Change

Funny think, if Holder wasn't so keen on reading terrorists their Miranda rights he could question them under exceptions that already exist. Instead they want to question them and still use that evidence against them.
On one hand, the Miranda "right" is as of questionable merit as that of the Roe decision.

OTOH, it's completely in character for the current empire to cherry pick which constitutional precepts and accepted *ahem* case law that they're going to recognize and those which they'll ignore.

But they're not authoritarian, or despotic, or anything like that. :rolleyes:

Nope, not at all, because they have good intentions.
 
a congressman introduce a bill... the O/P has no idea what obama thinks of it and the thread title is a lie.

nice!

and glad the o/p is all worried about the constitution' but in the same breath states he doesn't give a rats patoot about the 4th amendment.

pathetic...

The OP has no idea what the Obama administration thinks of it? The OP doesn't care about the 4th Amendment?

While I concede I could be wrong about what the Obama administration thinks about this bill, I challenge you to show me anywhere I ever posted anything that shows less that full contempt for anyone restricting anyone's civil rights. I didn't like it when Bush did it, and I do not like it when Obama does it. That at least makes me consistent.

It seems to me you change your position based on who is in the White House.

Jillian sold her morals and common sense when Obama came along. If you were here before the Primary season of 2008 you would know that based on her postings before and after.
 
wow, and here i thouth the Obama administration were liberal socialists , not some right wing authoritarian commies out to destroy our rights

they're completely different animals, right?

~S~
 
He has already done it. Like one Democrat A*shole said the other day..."The Federal Government can do almost anything it wants at this point." He was actually boasting about how great that is. The Government just continues to grow bigger and more powerful. Both the Neocons and Socialists/Progressives are responsible for this disturbing rapid expansion. People need to rise up and boot the Neocons and Socialists/Progressives if they ever want to see this trend reversed. Unfortunately it may already be too late. It is very sad.
 
Here's a more balanced article on the bill.

California Chronicle | Schiff Introduces the Questioning of Terrorism Suspects Act of 2010

It isn't clear if the evidence can be used against them or simply used to stop and arrest co-conspirators.

Does this mean you support the attempt to deny terrorists their 5th amendment right to not incriminate themselves?
I have a problem with torture. I have a problem with denying people the rights the law gives them. I don't have a problem with questioning people off the record if there is actual evidence something bad is going down.
 
Here's a more balanced article on the bill.

California Chronicle | Schiff Introduces the Questioning of Terrorism Suspects Act of 2010

It isn't clear if the evidence can be used against them or simply used to stop and arrest co-conspirators.

Does this mean you support the attempt to deny terrorists their 5th amendment right to not incriminate themselves?

If the terrorists aren't Americans and are detained by someone other than law enforcement they are not entitled to the protections of the CON.
 

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