Obama vs. Republican Field - Clueless Media

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    In my opinion this is the most important poll. For the right, we're supposed to be looking at the candidates who are polling with the most favorable chance against Obama. He's the sitting president, it's war time, and he's not going to be that easily removed. It's only been 3 short years since voters distanced themselves from a pretty rough Bush presidency and overall huge disappointment that was the republican party in congress. Regardless of how horrible you think Obama's been, nothing is a lock against him.

    The RCP average for each R candidate against Obama is as follows:

    Perry -1.6
    Romney +0.2
    Bachmann -7
    Palin -13
    Paul -4.3
    Cain -10
    Gingrich -14.7
    Huntsman -12.3
    Generic Republican +1.2

    My beef with the media, especially Fox, is why are they still giving Bachmann any credit at all mentioning her in the "top tier", and why even bother mentioning Palin at all? She's getting creamed at -13 points against Obama, she would be a fucking disaster as the nominee.

    Romney is the only one on the plus side and he's only 0.2, and generic republican is only 1.2. The only other candidate besides Romney and Perry that's close enough to narrow the gap and contend against Obama is Paul.

    The top tier should be Perry, Romney, Paul. Bachmann and Palin shouldn't even be getting consideration. Why is the media, especially Fox, so against mentioning Paul as a contender when he's the only other candidate keeping a respectable pace with Romney and Perry against Obama in the polling. At -4.3 he's statistically about as close as Perry, and in many individual polls like Rasmussen and Gallup he's as close as -1. Yet he continues to be called unelectable.

    We have a broken mainstream media if they think Bachmann continues to deserve credibility in the overall presidential election, but Paul doesn't. The polls are what they are.
     
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    Opinion polls over the years have proven to be a wildly inaccurate prediction tool up until about two weeks before an election. I have no idea why this is, but it just is.
     
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    Maybe. But that doesn't stop the media from continually referring to them when it's convenient. If they're going to offer the polls credibility whenever it helps them build up a candidate, then they're creating their own precedent to take the polls seriously.

    This being said, Paul is 3rd best against Obama, and statistically very close to Romney and Perry while having a pretty big gap in front of anyone else in the field.

    How much longer can they really continue to pretend this guy doesn't exist, and if he's polling so well against Obama, why would they WANT to? Fox should be all over this guy, but instead they hate him and would rather talk about Bachmann who's got no chance of beating Obama.
     
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    The media uses polling to influence opinions that they then claim to be objectively measuring.

    Sort of like the relationship between Enrons balance sheet and Nigerian barges.
     
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    Paul is not a bought and paid for establishment candidate.
     
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    I know that, and you know that, but that doesn't explain the exclusion of Paul from the discussion of contender. If they're going to include 3 candidates in the discussion of top tier, they're only exposing themselves as tools by giving Bachmann consideration and ignoring Paul.

    This would be a moot point if they decided to only run with whoever the top 2 candidates are at any given time, but they don't.

    Apparently Paul is more electable against Obama than Bachmann, Palin, Gingrich, etc, but for some reason he's the only one they ever frequently go out of their way to label "unelectable". It doesn't add up.
     
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    Sins of omission?

    Tool of their trade. They are trying to influence elections.

    They are hosed. Too many people have internet connections now.
     
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    They're not "trying", they've already been succeeding at it for decades.

    And they're not hosed, because tens of millions of people in the US are online and the mainstream media still continues to get their candidates.

    It's no coincidence that Perry shot right up to #1 when he announced. The media had been telling us he'd be #1 for weeks leading up to it. They led the sheep right where they wanted them to go. It was like taking candy from a baby.

    It's getting to be pretty pathetic to watch unfold every election.
     
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    this is common in most primaries ...once the smoke clears and we have a locked in candidate to challenge Obama you will see the numbers sky rocket for the GOP !! and never underestimate Obama and the lefts ability to screw up big time before the election !!
     
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    We shall see. I am optimistic.
     

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