Obama Unplugged: Spread the Wealth

[The Paperboy]

How much has the GOP spent on NO BID Government contracts to their buddies like Motorola, Haloburton, AT&T (letting them spy on us), Blackwater and every other Defense Buddy contract?

$10 billion a month goes to socialist Halborton & Blackwater, right? Why isn't that socialism? The Free market sure isn't buying their stuff. My tax dollars fund those companies you GOP hypocrites.

The GOP bankrupted us through socialism, if you mean spending tax dollars on an industry like defense. And lets not forget the $700 billion dollar bailout to the banks.



Dollars, Not Sense: Government Contracting Under the Bush Administration :: Committee on Oversight and Government Reform :: United States House of Representatives

Without that defense you'd be a charred piece of carbon.

 

[Larkinn]

Universal Health Care. Because ya know, The One tells us it's a "right".

It is. And thats not Socialism, as much as you wish it were.

Tell me exactly what makes it right that a rich person gets to live longer than a poor person?

 

[The Paperboy]

hey why not spread the wealth. not everyone who will be receiving welfare are lazy or moochers. there are a lot of people out there who actually need it.

It's good to see that the Obama supporters are not denying what Obama said.

Perhaps this is the "gaffe we've been waiting for".

 

[Larkinn]

Without that defense you'd be a charred piece of carbon.

Really?

Who exactly has Halliburton defended the "homeland" from?

Or, hell, tell me what evil countries are on our doorstep that would conquer us if we spent only $500 billion on defense instead of $700 billion?

Your worried if we don't spend more than the entire rest of the world combined on defense, we are gonna get invaded by Mexico or something?

 

[Larkinn]

It's good to see that the Obama supporters are not denying what Obama said.

Perhaps this is the "gaffe we've been waiting for".

Sure. It might make the far right hate him.

Thats a sure winner for you.

 

[Andrew2382]

It is. And thats not Socialism, as much as you wish it were.

Tell me exactly what makes it right that a rich person gets to live longer than a poor person?

Please point to me the part in the constitution where it says the government is responsible for giving people health care?

 

[Larkinn]

Please point to me the part in the constitution where it says the government is responsible for giving people health care?

Umm, nowhere. Nobody was claiming it was constitutionally mandated. If it was, we would have gone to the Supremes a long time ago.

You must have something better than that....

 

[The Paperboy]

let me ask you question, do you honestly think that rich people shouldn't help the poor simply because they worked for it. middle class work really hard as well, but the government has no problem raising their taxes. poor people work as well.

republicans act as if anyone can rich as long as they work for it. they'll even say a poor man is in his situation because of his doing, and that he doesn't have to poor.

Having wealth is a responsibility. People need to stop being greedy. Why shouldn't a billion pay more taxes? it's not they are going to miss the money.

republicans have no problem when middle class taxes are raised but if their taxes are raised, all hell breaks loose.

It's time for the rich to stop getting a excused from their responsibility. and it's time for them to start contributing to society

If i was a millionaire i would have no problem paying taxes. Taxes could lead to better education which in turn can help others become successful in life

You are a highly uninformed person.

40% of tax filers do not pat taxes as they do not make enough.

The top 1% pay 39% of all taxes.

The top 25% pay 86% of all taxes.

The top 50% pay 97% of all taxes.

On top of that the American people in general are incredibly generous with charitable donations.

We have thrown billions and billions of dollars at education so money is not the answer.

Giving the Federal government more money is not the answer.

The answer is creating an environment where people can succeed in starting a business and keep more of their own money.

 

[Andrew2382]

exactly my point...it's not in the constitution, healthcare isn't a right like Obama said, it's a responsibility.

 

[Larkinn]

exactly my point...it's not in the constitution, healthcare isn't a right like Obama said, it's a responsibility.

I'm sorry, did he say a constitutional right? No? Is the Constitution the only place that people can get rights from? That would also be a no.

 

[heretic]

We are. The desire for a fair system that doesn't create a crazy society with a gini coefficient of .99999

The majority gets to change the laws, if they wish. If you have a problem with that, feel free to move. There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees Capitalism at all, much less free-reign rapacious unbridled capitalism.

The 10th amendment. If a state (such as California) wants to have a state run socialist system so be it. People are free to move to a state with that doesn't have it.

Tell me exactly what makes it right that a rich person gets to live longer than a poor person?

Were in the constitution does it say we have the right to another persons time?

 

[The Paperboy]

It is. And thats not Socialism, as much as you wish it were.

Tell me exactly what makes it right that a rich person gets to live longer than a poor person?

Why wait for the world you seek? Move to Cuba or Venezuela now.

 

[Larkinn]

The 10th amendment. If a state (such as California) wants to have a state run socialist system so be it. People are free to move to a state with that doesn't have it.

Sure and if they want to do it however they want, they can. They just won't receive federal monies, ever. Oh wait, coincidentally enough, they all want to do it the way the fed wants them to do it.

Were in the constitution does it say we have the right to another persons time?

That would be the sixteenth amendment.

Next?

 

[Larkinn]

Why wait for the world you seek? Move to Cuba or Venezuela now.

Wow, you are uninformed. If you think the US will be similar to Cuba or Venezuala after Obama gets elected, you are vastly vastly uninformed.

 

[sealybobo]

Without that defense you'd be a charred piece of carbon.

No, without half of it. The other half is fraud. Why don't you care about this fraud? It adds up to a lot of money.

And, doesn't keep us safe.

Great example on a smaller scale. After the 93 bombing of the World Trade Center, Rudy Gulianni gave motorola a no bid contract. On 9-11, the walke talkees/radios didn't have batteries in them. And he put his command center in the world trade center. I forgot the details, but he put it there because it was convienent for him to go from there to his cousins apartment and have an affair with her. Sick.

 

[sealybobo]

Wow, you are uninformed. If you think the US will be similar to Cuba or Venezuala after Obama gets elected, you are vastly vastly uninformed.

He's under informed, not uninformed. His head is filled with bullshit information, so you are wrong to say he is uninformed. It's just all bad info. Sorta like the WMD info he swallowed. He had tons of arguments for that lie. Turns out he was wrong, but he had ton's of information he thought was facts.

He had names, dates, meetings with al qaeda, etc.

 

[Andrew2382]

no asshole
The command center was the OEM, (office of emergency management) it was in building 7.

I have been there...many times, mostly because at the time of 9/11 my best freinds father was the director of OEM.

You obviously are not from NYC because the distance between the WTC and City Hall is very short. There also many other government institutions in building 7, like the secret service.

They had also JUST moved there and had a state of the art situation room.

But then again, you knew that

 

[sealybobo]

Really?

Who exactly has Halliburton defended the "homeland" from?

Or, hell, tell me what evil countries are on our doorstep that would conquer us if we spent only $500 billion on defense instead of $700 billion?

Your worried if we don't spend more than the entire rest of the world combined on defense, we are gonna get invaded by Mexico or something?

They never stay on this subject, which is why I know I'm right that they are not really conservatives. Because this is one of the major places the GOP wasted most of our money.

So if you want to waste another $500 billion in Iraq, go with McCain.

If you want to spend half on defense and cut out the waste/fraud, vote for Obama. They aren't his buddies getting the no bid sweetheart deals. All those companies are GOP contributors.

 

[sealybobo]

no asshole
The command center was the OEM, (office of emergency management) it was in building 7.

I have been there...many times, mostly because at the time of 9/11 my best freinds father was the director of OEM.

You obviously are not from NYC because the distance between the WTC and City Hall is very short. There also many other government institutions in building 7, like the secret service.

They had also JUST moved there and had a state of the art situation room.

But then again, you knew that

Your father raised an asshole.

In a report examining the response to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the U.S. Fire Administration determined that on-scene “communications were a serious problem” in terms of establishing “control of the incident.” When then-New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani sought to replace the faulty radios used in 1993, he awarded a no-bid contract to Motorola, which again provided faulty radios. Today, Brave New Films has released a web video detailing the negative impact Giuliani’s no-bid decision had on firefighters on 9/11. Watch it:

Once Motorola was given the contract, the price jumped from $1.4 million to $14 million.

I guess you living in NYC makes you a terrorist expert, just like McCain is an expert at war because he got caught and was a POW for 5.5 years?

Neither of you are qualified to even have a serious discussion on this.

And McCain knows how to get Bin Ladin? That's what he said. How come he hasn't shared that with us yet? How many years has it been? What's he waiting for?

 

[sealybobo]

no asshole
The command center was the OEM, (office of emergency management) it was in building 7.

I have been there...many times, mostly because at the time of 9/11 my best freinds father was the director of OEM.

You obviously are not from NYC because the distance between the WTC and City Hall is very short. There also many other government institutions in building 7, like the secret service.

They had also JUST moved there and had a state of the art situation room.

But then again, you knew that

The fact that no radio upgrade was made in the eight-year interim is something of an albatross for Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign, considering he was mayor of the New York during that very time period.

And on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos the topic came up yet again. Only this time, Giuliani absolved himself by claiming it would have been "impossible" to give the FDNY working radios.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/24/giuliani-feeling-the-heat_n_78126.html

GIULIANI: Well, the radios that you're talking about weren't put online for three, four, five years after. So, it would have been impossible for me to have those radios ready. It took the city two or three more years...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But they had malfunctioned in 1993.

GIULIANI: But even with the new equipment, it took another two or three years for those radios to be put online. So it would have been impossible for us to have gotten them online before that, given the fact that it took so long afterwards.


Ok. So, Giuliani seems to be saying that after the city purchased the new equipment, it took at least three years for it to be operational. Hence, the FDNY could never have gotten the new radios in time anyways and Giuliani deserves no blame.

Of course, there were eight years between the two attacks on the Twin Towers.