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Arafat was brought back so that Israel could outsource the occupation to a Palestinian face.Ahh, another palistanian popular delusion. Why do they always have to be dumb? But I digress. As we know, Arafat was "dragged" from his tunisian oblivion by Bush senior, who used him to please arabs in his bid to establish an "anti-Saddam" coalition. Since then every american presidential asshole used jews and Israel, harping "peace process" and "involvement" every time a diversion was needed, or gains made at the jewish expence, of course.Why do you think Israel dragged Arafat back to Palestine from exile?
Arafat was brought back so that Israel could outsource the occupation to a Palestinian face.Ahh, another palistanian popular delusion. Why do they always have to be dumb? But I digress. As we know, Arafat was "dragged" from his tunisian oblivion by Bush senior, who used him to please arabs in his bid to establish an "anti-Saddam" coalition. Since then every american presidential asshole used jews and Israel, harping "peace process" and "involvement" every time a diversion was needed, or gains made at the jewish expence, of course.
- Arab world is, indeed, delusional. It isn't much of a surprise, though, since it's the biggest lunatic asylum on earth, run by the inmates.
- Haven't we established earlier that there's no occupation?
Funny outrage, indeed, in view that 1948 lines are, in fact, 1967 lines, excepting Syria.
Funny outrage, indeed, in view that 1948 lines are, in fact, 1967 lines, excepting Syria.
We're obviously referring to the lines of the 1948 UN Partition plan.
The difference between Hamas and Israel is that Hamas is defending Palestine from Israel's illegal occupation.
Other than that - Good post.
Funny outrage, indeed, in view that 1948 lines are, in fact, 1967 lines, excepting Syria.
We're obviously referring to the lines of the 1948 UN Partition plan.
Actually, the 1967 borders refer to the 1949 armistice lines or green line. They were specifically not to be national or political borders. They merely designated areas of occupation.
The difference between Hamas and Israel is that Hamas is defending Palestine from Israel's illegal occupation.
Other than that - Good post.
Thanks, PF!
As for Hamas, I appreciate the sentiment, but disagree. Maybe Hamas THINKS it's defending Palestine, but realistically speaking all they're doing is causing more bloodshed and hate, and their violent methods are abominable - and it's all for nothing, because they will never defeat Israel or take over all Historic Palestine. The IRA and the Basque separatists (ETA) used violence for years, and it was all a big waste of time that didn't accomplish anything. The ANC used terror for decades before switching to peaceful resistance, and only then did anything get done. Resisting a brutal occupation by force, however understandable it might be, is retarded and counterproductive, and is only gonna get more Palestinians killed.
Obviously not, of course.We're obviously referring to the lines of the 1948 UN Partition plan.Funny outrage, indeed, in view that 1948 lines are, in fact, 1967 lines, excepting Syria.[/size][/font]
How so?No.Arafat was brought back so that Israel could outsource the occupation to a Palestinian face.
- Arab world is, indeed, delusional. It isn't much of a surprise, though, since it's the biggest lunatic asylum on earth, run by the inmates.
- Haven't we established earlier that there's no occupation?
No occupation.Israel never won any Palestinian land.
Ah, I see, Jordanian and Egyptian occupations, respectively.Actually, the 1967 borders refer to the 1949 armistice lines or green line. They were specifically not to be national or political borders. They merely designated areas of occupation.
Obviously not, of course.We're obviously referring to the lines of the 1948 UN Partition plan.Funny outrage, indeed, in view that 1948 lines are, in fact, 1967 lines, excepting Syria.[/size][/font]
Even though it was unfair to Palestinians that should be the starting point.
BBC NEWS | In Depth | Israel and the Palestinians | key documents | UN Partition Plan
Sort of irrelevant. The 1948 lines are obviously not going to happen. And now we learn from Netanyahu that the 1967 cannot even be used as a BASIS for negotiations. =O
I pretty much think it's over for the Palestinians really. After Netanyahu's speech next to Obama the other day, he basically killed the two-state solution and the one-state solution. So there is no solution, the only solution is for Israel to be a Jewish State by taking over the entire West Bank and makign life so miserable for Palestinians that they'll just have to leave. If they get rowdy, Israel will bomb them or send in battalions to beat them, maim them, and ultimately murder them if necessary.
Because that's the only way that Israel will get what it wants: All of Historic Palestine, with no Palestinians in it.
That's what the Israeli Right currently in power wants. That's what the extreme right in the United States seems to fully support. These people fully support the idea that Israel has a right to all of historic Palestine, and they have a right for it to be Jewish. Therefore, if Jews do not form a supermajority in all of historic Palestine now, then the only thing to do is kill off enough Palestinians.
But wait - doesn't this sound familiar? Doesn't this sound familiar to another political organization that wants all of Historical Palestine for itself with it's own numbers in the majority? Oh yeah! They're called Hamas! Somehow, as though by art of magic, Israel is good and Hamas is bad, despite that they want the exact same things!
So let's re-cap: For any one group to achieve it's objective, it has to eliminate the other. You see, you see what happens when you carry ideas to their logical conclusion? The logical conclusion is called Genocide. I just wish we were open about this.
But now the most important question - What is the difference between the Israeli Right and Hamas? Their supposed objectives are the same. So what is the difference? The difference is that one side has pop-bottle rockets and a rag tag militia (so it cannot achieve it's objective) while the other has nuclear warheads and one of the most powerful armies in the world (so it can achieve it's objective - the objective being genocide)!
Therefore, the Palestinians lose! Can somebody tell me whether I understood this properly? Do I understand this, you might say, in the correct manner? - Since both sides are controlled by their respective extremist ultra-nationalist elements, then the only way to solve this is for the stronger side to annihilate the weak side. Thankfully for Jews, the strong side is Israel! So game over.
I can now go back to lighter pursuits, like gardening and light reading. The "problem" has been solved. Palestine will be destroyed because it is weaker. And that's the end of it, it cannot be solved any other way.
C'mon, eternal supporters of the state of Israel, heap your praises on me for I have now learned the "correct" way to think about this conflict.
"The strong do as they can, the weak suffer as they must." - Thucydides, 5th Century BC
We shouldn't let Israel dictate to us what the borders will be, they would be nothing without us. Israel might be stronger now but the world changes.
Even though it was unfair to Palestinians that should be the starting point.
BBC NEWS | In Depth | Israel and the Palestinians | key documents | UN Partition Plan
So the US should give back the South West to Mexico? All Counties that lost land in wars should get it back? Is that your position?
Ah, that post was drivel, indeed.... That's what the first post on this thread is about.Obviously not, of course.We're obviously referring to the lines of the 1948 UN Partition plan.
Ah, that post was drivel, indeed.... That's what the first post on this thread is about.Obviously not, of course.
Even though it was unfair to Palestinians that should be the starting point.
BBC NEWS | In Depth | Israel and the Palestinians | key documents | UN Partition Plan
So the US should give back the South West to Mexico? All Counties that lost land in wars should get it back? Is that your position?
The Confedercy should exist today.
Sort of irrelevant. The 1948 lines are obviously not going to happen. And now we learn from Netanyahu that the 1967 cannot even be used as a BASIS for negotiations. =O
I pretty much think it's over for the Palestinians really. After Netanyahu's speech next to Obama the other day, he basically killed the two-state solution and the one-state solution. So there is no solution, the only solution is for Israel to be a Jewish State by taking over the entire West Bank and makign life so miserable for Palestinians that they'll just have to leave. If they get rowdy, Israel will bomb them or send in battalions to beat them, maim them, and ultimately murder them if necessary.
Because that's the only way that Israel will get what it wants: All of Historic Palestine, with no Palestinians in it.
That's what the Israeli Right currently in power wants. That's what the extreme right in the United States seems to fully support. These people fully support the idea that Israel has a right to all of historic Palestine, and they have a right for it to be Jewish. Therefore, if Jews do not form a supermajority in all of historic Palestine now, then the only thing to do is kill off enough Palestinians.
But wait - doesn't this sound familiar? Doesn't this sound familiar to another political organization that wants all of Historical Palestine for itself with it's own numbers in the majority? Oh yeah! They're called Hamas! Somehow, as though by art of magic, Israel is good and Hamas is bad, despite that they want the exact same things!
So let's re-cap: For any one group to achieve it's objective, it has to eliminate the other. You see, you see what happens when you carry ideas to their logical conclusion? The logical conclusion is called Genocide. I just wish we were open about this.
But now the most important question - What is the difference between the Israeli Right and Hamas? Their supposed objectives are the same. So what is the difference? The difference is that one side has pop-bottle rockets and a rag tag militia (so it cannot achieve it's objective) while the other has nuclear warheads and one of the most powerful armies in the world (so it can achieve it's objective - the objective being genocide)!
Therefore, the Palestinians lose! Can somebody tell me whether I understood this properly? Do I understand this, you might say, in the correct manner? - Since both sides are controlled by their respective extremist ultra-nationalist elements, then the only way to solve this is for the stronger side to annihilate the weak side. Thankfully for Jews, the strong side is Israel! So game over.
I can now go back to lighter pursuits, like gardening and light reading. The "problem" has been solved. Palestine will be destroyed because it is weaker. And that's the end of it, it cannot be solved any other way.
C'mon, eternal supporters of the state of Israel, heap your praises on me for I have now learned the "correct" way to think about this conflict.
"The strong do as they can, the weak suffer as they must." - Thucydides, 5th Century BC
We shouldn't let Israel dictate to us what the borders will be, they would be nothing without us. Israel might be stronger now but the world changes.
Who the fuck are you? "We shouldn't let Israel dictate?" Who in the Fuck are you to dictate to Israel?
So, space cadets want to know where the chinese tax dollars go.For one I'm an American and I have the right to say were my tax dollar should and shouldn't go and it shouldn't go tpo support the Holocaust of the Palestinian people.
So, space cadets want to know where the chinese tax dollars go.For one I'm an American and I have the right to say were my tax dollar should and shouldn't go and it shouldn't go tpo support the Holocaust of the Palestinian people.
