Obama Too Pro Israel-Should Enforce US/UN 1948 Partion Plan

[Truthseeker420]

Even though it was unfair to Palestinians that should be the starting point.

BBC NEWS | In Depth | Israel and the Palestinians | key documents | UN Partition Plan

 

[P F Tinmore]

The UN Security Council voted down the partition plan in 1948.

There is no partition plan to enforce.

 

[docmauser1]

Even though it was unfair to Palestinians that should be the starting point.

Arabs did not think twice, when they wanted to relieve (loot, plunder) jews of what was jewish. And, as we fully expect arabs to behave, they fall back on the status quo ante, that is, they behave like a bad casino gambler, who bet and lost, and demands his bet returned to him in full, because he's truly convinced losing is not fair to him. Arabs are exactly that sad gambler. They planned to rob jews of everything jews had, they bet, they lost and now they wail, weep and sob and cry some "international laws" and, of course, lie like a pornstar.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even though it was unfair to Palestinians that should be the starting point.

Arabs did not think twice, when they wanted to relieve (loot, plunder) jews of what was jewish. And, as we fully expect arabs to behave, they fall back on the status quo ante, that is, they behave like a bad casino gambler, who bet and lost, and demands his bet returned to him in full, because he's truly convinced losing is not fair to him. Arabs are exactly that sad gambler. They planned to rob jews of everything jews had, they bet, they lost and now they wail, weep and sob and cry some "international laws" and, of course, lie like a pornstar.

The Palestinians have never lost to Israel.

 

[Truthseeker420]

The UN Security Council voted down the partition plan in 1948.

There is no partition plan to enforce.

never heard that one do you have a link?


United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 called for the partition of the British-ruled Palestine Mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. It was approved on November 29, 1947 with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, 10 abstentions and one absent (see list at end of document).

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

 

[Truthseeker420]

Even though it was unfair to Palestinians that should be the starting point.

Arabs did not think twice, when they wanted to relieve (loot, plunder) jews of what was jewish. And, as we fully expect arabs to behave, they fall back on the status quo ante, that is, they behave like a bad casino gambler, who bet and lost, and demands his bet returned to him in full, because he's truly convinced losing is not fair to him. Arabs are exactly that sad gambler. They planned to rob jews of everything jews had, they bet, they lost and now they wail, weep and sob and cry some "international laws" and, of course, lie like a pornstar.

Most of the Jews came Europe under the Balfour Declaration and have no claim to Palestine. So it would be the Zionists were robbing Arabs.

 

[docmauser1]

Even though it was unfair to Palestinians that should be the starting point.

Arabs did not think twice, when they wanted to relieve (loot, plunder) jews of what was jewish. And, as we fully expect arabs to behave, they fall back on the status quo ante, that is, they behave like a bad casino gambler, who bet and lost, and demands his bet returned to him in full, because he's truly convinced losing is not fair to him. Arabs are exactly that sad gambler. They planned to rob jews of everything jews had, they bet, they lost and now they wail, weep and sob and cry some "international laws" and, of course, lie like a pornstar.

The Palestinians have never lost to Israel.

True, palistanian occupation is all bogus, indeed.

 

[docmauser1]

Even though it was unfair to Palestinians that should be the starting point.

Arabs did not think twice, when they wanted to relieve (loot, plunder) jews of what was jewish. And, as we fully expect arabs to behave, they fall back on the status quo ante, that is, they behave like a bad casino gambler, who bet and lost, and demands his bet returned to him in full, because he's truly convinced losing is not fair to him. Arabs are exactly that sad gambler. They planned to rob jews of everything jews had, they bet, they lost and now they wail, weep and sob and cry some "international laws" and, of course, lie like a pornstar.

Most of the Jews came Europe under the Balfour Declaration and have no claim to Palestine. So it would be the Zionists were robbing Arabs.

And the latter had exactly what?

 

[Truthseeker420]

Arabs did not think twice, when they wanted to relieve (loot, plunder) jews of what was jewish. And, as we fully expect arabs to behave, they fall back on the status quo ante, that is, they behave like a bad casino gambler, who bet and lost, and demands his bet returned to him in full, because he's truly convinced losing is not fair to him. Arabs are exactly that sad gambler. They planned to rob jews of everything jews had, they bet, they lost and now they wail, weep and sob and cry some "international laws" and, of course, lie like a pornstar.

Most of the Jews came Europe under the Balfour Declaration and have no claim to Palestine. So it would be the Zionists were robbing Arabs.

And the latter had exactly what?

land,homes, possessions.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The UN Security Council voted down the partition plan in 1948.

There is no partition plan to enforce.

never heard that one do you have a link?


United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 called for the partition of the British-ruled Palestine Mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. It was approved on November 29, 1947 with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, 10 abstentions and one absent (see list at end of document).

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

On March 5, 1948, the United Nations Security Council reached an impasse when it refused to pass a resolution which would have accepted the partition plan as a basis for Security Council action.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The General Assembly resolution had to be approved and implemented by the Security Council. That never happened.

 

[Warrior102]

I know I am a new-bee, but Israel is the only good ally we have in the Middle East.

 

[Truthseeker420]

The UN Security Council voted down the partition plan in 1948.

There is no partition plan to enforce.

never heard that one do you have a link?


United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 called for the partition of the British-ruled Palestine Mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. It was approved on November 29, 1947 with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, 10 abstentions and one absent (see list at end of document).

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

On March 5, 1948, the United Nations Security Council reached an impasse when it refused to pass a resolution which would have accepted the partition plan as a basis for Security Council action.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The General Assembly resolution had to be approved and implemented by the Security Council. That never happened.

I believe it was not voted on by the Security Council because War broke out....but regarless it was a plan that was pushed by the U.S.

 

[Warrior102]

We shouldn't be pushing any country to do anything.
My opinion.

 

[Truthseeker420]

I know I am a new-bee, but Israel is the only good ally we have in the Middle East.

good ally? good allies don't attack you,spy on you and treat you with disrespect.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Sort of irrelevant. The 1948 lines are obviously not going to happen. And now we learn from Netanyahu that the 1967 cannot even be used as a BASIS for negotiations. =O

I pretty much think it's over for the Palestinians really. After Netanyahu's speech next to Obama the other day, he basically killed the two-state solution and the one-state solution. So there is no solution, the only solution is for Israel to be a Jewish State by taking over the entire West Bank and makign life so miserable for Palestinians that they'll just have to leave. If they get rowdy, Israel will bomb them or send in battalions to beat them, maim them, and ultimately murder them if necessary.

Because that's the only way that Israel will get what it wants: All of Historic Palestine, with no Palestinians in it.

That's what the Israeli Right currently in power wants. That's what the extreme right in the United States seems to fully support. These people fully support the idea that Israel has a right to all of historic Palestine, and they have a right for it to be Jewish. Therefore, if Jews do not form a supermajority in all of historic Palestine now, then the only thing to do is kill off enough Palestinians.

But wait - doesn't this sound familiar? Doesn't this sound familiar to another political organization that wants all of Historical Palestine for itself with it's own numbers in the majority? Oh yeah! They're called Hamas! Somehow, as though by art of magic, Israel is good and Hamas is bad, despite that they want the exact same things!

So let's re-cap: For any one group to achieve it's objective, it has to eliminate the other. You see, you see what happens when you carry ideas to their logical conclusion? The logical conclusion is called Genocide. I just wish we were open about this.

But now the most important question - What is the difference between the Israeli Right and Hamas? Their supposed objectives are the same. So what is the difference? The difference is that one side has pop-bottle rockets and a rag tag militia (so it cannot achieve it's objective) while the other has nuclear warheads and one of the most powerful armies in the world (so it can achieve it's objective - the objective being genocide)!

Therefore, the Palestinians lose! Can somebody tell me whether I understood this properly? Do I understand this, you might say, in the correct manner? - Since both sides are controlled by their respective extremist ultra-nationalist elements, then the only way to solve this is for the stronger side to annihilate the weak side. Thankfully for Jews, the strong side is Israel! So game over.

I can now go back to lighter pursuits, like gardening and light reading. The "problem" has been solved. Palestine will be destroyed because it is weaker. And that's the end of it, it cannot be solved any other way.

C'mon, eternal supporters of the state of Israel, heap your praises on me for I have now learned the "correct" way to think about this conflict.

"The strong do as they can, the weak suffer as they must." - Thucydides, 5th Century BC

 

[Baruch Menachem]

to continue the Gambler analogy. In 1948 they bet to an inside strait. They could have gone along with the partition plan, but they went to the table over and over and lost each time.

Really, they need to learn when to walk away from the game, and in this case, run.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn481KcjvMo"]raise or fold?[/ame]

 

[Warrior102]

I know I am a new-bee, but Israel is the only good ally we have in the Middle East.

good ally? good allies don't attack you,spy on you and treat you with disrespect.

Do you have some examples of this? There are probably a few isolated incidents - hell, we have US Citizens selling stuff to Chinese... - but wide-spread? And being disrespectful? When?

Please discuss.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Sort of irrelevant. The 1948 lines are obviously not going to happen. And now we learn from Netanyahu that the 1967 cannot even be used as a BASIS for negotiations. =O

I pretty much think it's over for the Palestinians really. After Netanyahu's speech next to Obama the other day, he basically killed the two-state solution and the one-state solution. So there is no solution, the only solution is for Israel to be a Jewish State by taking over the entire West Bank and makign life so miserable for Palestinians that they'll just have to leave. If they get rowdy, Israel will bomb them or send in battalions to beat them, maim them, and ultimately murder them if necessary.

Because that's the only way that Israel will get what it wants: All of Historic Palestine, with no Palestinians in it.

That's what the Israeli Right currently in power wants. That's what the extreme right in the United States seems to fully support. These people fully support the idea that Israel has a right to all of historic Palestine, and they have a right for it to be Jewish. Therefore, if Jews do not form a supermajority in all of historic Palestine now, then the only thing to do is kill off enough Palestinians.

But wait - doesn't this sound familiar? Doesn't this sound familiar to another political organization that wants all of Historical Palestine for itself with it's own numbers in the majority? Oh yeah! They're called Hamas! Somehow, as though by art of magic, Israel is good and Hamas is bad, despite that they want the exact same things!

So let's re-cap: For any one group to achieve it's objective, it has to eliminate the other. You see, you see what happens when you carry ideas to their logical conclusion? The logical conclusion is called Genocide. I just wish we were open about this.

But now the most important question - What is the difference between the Israeli Right and Hamas? Their supposed objectives are the same. So what is the difference? The difference is that one side has pop-bottle rockets and a rag tag militia (so it cannot achieve it's objective) while the other has nuclear warheads and one of the most powerful armies in the world (so it can achieve it's objective - the objective being genocide)!

Therefore, the Palestinians lose! Can somebody tell me whether I understood this properly? Do I understand this, you might say, in the correct manner? - Since both sides are controlled by their respective extremist ultra-nationalist elements, then the only way to solve this is for the stronger side to annihilate the weak side. Thankfully for Jews, the strong side is Israel! So game over.

I can now go back to lighter pursuits, like gardening and light reading. The "problem" has been solved. Palestine will be destroyed because it is weaker. And that's the end of it, it cannot be solved any other way.

C'mon, eternal supporters of the state of Israel, heap your praises on me for I have now learned the "correct" way to think about this conflict.

"The strong do as they can, the weak suffer as they must." - Thucydides, 5th Century BC

We shouldn't let Israel dictate to us what the borders will be, they would be nothing without us. Israel might be stronger now but the world changes.

 

[Truthseeker420]

I know I am a new-bee, but Israel is the only good ally we have in the Middle East.

good ally? good allies don't attack you,spy on you and treat you with disrespect.

Do you have some examples of this? There are probably a few isolated incidents - hell, we have US Citizens selling stuff to Chinese... - but wide-spread? And being disrespectful? When?

Please discuss.

Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that murders 34 American servicemen The USS Liberty Cover-Up

Once again, Israel has been caught with spies at the highest levels of the US Government.

Israeli Spying: The Mother of all Scandals | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sort of irrelevant. The 1948 lines are obviously not going to happen. And now we learn from Netanyahu that the 1967 cannot even be used as a BASIS for negotiations. =O

I pretty much think it's over for the Palestinians really. After Netanyahu's speech next to Obama the other day, he basically killed the two-state solution and the one-state solution. So there is no solution, the only solution is for Israel to be a Jewish State by taking over the entire West Bank and makign life so miserable for Palestinians that they'll just have to leave. If they get rowdy, Israel will bomb them or send in battalions to beat them, maim them, and ultimately murder them if necessary.

Because that's the only way that Israel will get what it wants: All of Historic Palestine, with no Palestinians in it.

That's what the Israeli Right currently in power wants. That's what the extreme right in the United States seems to fully support. These people fully support the idea that Israel has a right to all of historic Palestine, and they have a right for it to be Jewish. Therefore, if Jews do not form a supermajority in all of historic Palestine now, then the only thing to do is kill off enough Palestinians.

But wait - doesn't this sound familiar? Doesn't this sound familiar to another political organization that wants all of Historical Palestine for itself with it's own numbers in the majority? Oh yeah! They're called Hamas! Somehow, as though by art of magic, Israel is good and Hamas is bad, despite that they want the exact same things!

So let's re-cap: For any one group to achieve it's objective, it has to eliminate the other. You see, you see what happens when you carry ideas to their logical conclusion? The logical conclusion is called Genocide. I just wish we were open about this.

But now the most important question - What is the difference between the Israeli Right and Hamas? Their supposed objectives are the same. So what is the difference? The difference is that one side has pop-bottle rockets and a rag tag militia (so it cannot achieve it's objective) while the other has nuclear warheads and one of the most powerful armies in the world (so it can achieve it's objective - the objective being genocide)!

Therefore, the Palestinians lose! Can somebody tell me whether I understood this properly? Do I understand this, you might say, in the correct manner? - Since both sides are controlled by their respective extremist ultra-nationalist elements, then the only way to solve this is for the stronger side to annihilate the weak side. Thankfully for Jews, the strong side is Israel! So game over.

I can now go back to lighter pursuits, like gardening and light reading. The "problem" has been solved. Palestine will be destroyed because it is weaker. And that's the end of it, it cannot be solved any other way.

C'mon, eternal supporters of the state of Israel, heap your praises on me for I have now learned the "correct" way to think about this conflict.

"The strong do as they can, the weak suffer as they must." - Thucydides, 5th Century BC

But wait - doesn't this sound familiar? Doesn't this sound familiar to another political organization that wants all of Historical Palestine for itself with it's own numbers in the majority? Oh yeah! They're called Hamas! Somehow, as though by art of magic, Israel is good and Hamas is bad, despite that they want the exact same things!

The difference between Hamas and Israel is that Hamas is defending Palestine from Israel's illegal occupation.

Other than that - Good post.