obama to sign the UN small arms treaty July 27 2012

[bigrebnc1775]

Just a fair warning that obama does not have a functioning brain in and election year

 

[bigrebnc1775]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8FzkVRh7Ck]United Nations Small Arms (Gun Confiscation) Treaty to be Ratified by the US Senate in 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCjFSA92I7c]UN Arms Trade Treaty, a SCAM weaponseducation - YouTube[/ame]

 

[salem.hills]

No way and he doesn't give one damn to get reelected at all imo or he wouldn't try such crap? He wants collapse and civil unrest

 

[GuyPinestra]

It'll kill him, it needs 67 votes in the Senate to be ratified.

I'm more worried about the LOST treaty (Law of the Sea). Talk about a sovereignty-stealing redistribution scheme!!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It'll kill him, it needs 67 votes in the Senate to be ratified.

I'm more worried about the LOST treaty (Law of the Sea). Talk about a sovereignty-stealing redistribution scheme!!

OH yell that's right the treaty that would give the U.N. control of all water way systems such as the lake that you may live on, or that creek behind your home. That is if I am not mistaken.

 

[Desperado]

Obama loves to give away US sovereignty. It is the socialist way.

 

[g5000]

I know this might sound nuts, but...link to the treaty?

 

[g5000]

I stopped watching the OP video shortly after Hillary started talking. She plainly was not talking about the UN Treaty.

The global trade in conventional weapons – from warships and battle tanks to fighter jets and machine guns – remains poorly regulated. No set of internationally agreed standards exist to ensure that arms are only transferred for appropriate use.

Many governments have voiced concern about the absence of globally agreed rules for all Countries to guide their decisions on arms transfers. That is why they have started negotiating an Arms Trade Treaty. Preparations to address this issue have been underway since 2006 and will culminate in the Conference on an Arms Trade Treaty in July 2012.

UNODA - Towards an Arms Trade Treaty

In 2006, the General Assembly requested countries to submit their views on such a treaty. More than 100 countries did. These views were collected in a 2007 report by the Secretary-General on the issue.

In 2008 a Group of Governmental Experts produced a report on the topic.

In 2009 an Open-ended Working Group – open to all States – held two meetings on an arms trade treaty. A total of six sessions of this Group were planned.

In 2009 the General Assembly decided to convene a Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty in 2012 "to elaborate a legally binding instrument on the highest possible common international standards for the transfer of conventional arms". The General Assembly also indicated that the remaining four sessions of the Open-ended Working Group should be considered as sessions of the Preparatory Committee (PrepCom) for this Conference. PrepComs took place in July 2010, February 2011, July 2011 and in February 2012 (Report of the PrepCom).

Here is the 2007 Sec-Gen report: United Nations Official Document

Here is the 2008 Group of Governmental Experts report: United Nations Official Document

Here is the PrepComm report: http://www.un.org/disarmament/conva...pCom4 Documents/PrepCom Report_E_20120307.pdf



Now you can get information straight from the horse's mouth instead of its ass.

 

[g5000]

From the first report:

By paragraph 1 of that resolution, the General Assembly requested the
Secretary-General to seek the views of Member States on the feasibility, scope and
draft parameters for a comprehensive, legally binding instrument establishing
common international standards for the import, export and transfer of conventional
arms and to submit a report to the General Assembly at its sixty-second session.

Right off, we see this is about the international trafficking of small arms. So what the fuck was Dobbs going on about shotgun makers being subjected to same laws as tanks?


Now let's jump straight to the Conclusions and Recommendations of the second report:

VII. Conclusions and recommendations

27. In view of the complexity of the issues of conventional arms transfers
considered by the Group on behalf of the Secretary-General and the General
Assembly, further consideration of efforts within the United Nations to address
the international trade in conventional arms is required on a step-by-step basis
in an open and transparent manner to achieve, on the basis of consensus, a
balance that will provide benefit to all, with the principles of the Charter of the
United Nations at the centre of such efforts.

28. The Group recognized that there are different motivations for
conventional arms production and acquisition. The Group observed that the
weapons being traded in the illicit market can be used for terrorist acts,
organized crime and other criminal activities. In addition, the Group
acknowledged the need to prevent the diversion of conventional arms from the
legal into the illicit market.

29. The Group acknowledged the respective responsibilities of exporters and
importers. In order to begin improving the current situation, the Group
recognized the need for all States to ensure that their national systems and
internal controls are at the highest possible standards, and that States in a
position to do so could render assistance in this regard, upon request.

That's it, in its entirety.

Let's go to the Goals and Objectives portions of the last report, written just this month:

III. Goals and objectives

This Treaty will seek to:

1. Promote the goals and objectives of the United Nations Charter;

2. Establish the highest possible common international standards for the import,
export and transfer of conventional arms;

3. Prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit transfer, illicit production and illicit
brokering of conventional arms and their diversion into the illicit market, including
for use in transnational organized crime and terrorism;

4. Contribute to international and regional peace, security and stability by
preventing international transfers of conventional arms that contribute to or
facilitate: human suffering, serious violations of international human rights law and
international humanitarian law, violations of United Nations Security Council
sanctions and arms embargoes and other international obligations, armed conflict,
the displacement of people, transnational organized crime, and terrorist acts, and
thereby undermine peace, reconciliation, safety, security, stability and sustainable
social and economic development;

5. Promote transparency and accountability in import, export, and transfers of
conventional arms;

6. Be universal in its application.

That's it, in its entirety.

As it turns out, there isn't even a treaty yet.

 

[g5000]

Those arms makers and dealers which make gazillions of dollars a year chanelling small arms to Third World countries, contributing to the bloodshed, are going to fight this tooth and nail. And they will be pouring millions of gallons of bongwater, generating enough diversionary smoke to greenhouse the entire planet, and putting up enough deflective mirrors to power the state of Nevada with solar power.

OBAMAZ GONNA TAKE UR GUNZ!!!!

 

[GuyPinestra]

Those arms makers and dealers which make gazillions of dollars a year chanelling small arms to Third World countries, contributing to the bloodshed, are going to fight this tooth and nail. And they will be pouring millions of gallons of bongwater, generating enough diversionary smoke to greenhouse the entire planet, and putting up enough deflective mirrors to power the state of Nevada with solar power.

OBAMAZ GONNA TAKE UR GUNZ!!!!

Here's a little background on the UN Small Arms Treaty.

Sorry it's not from the NYT, but they don't seem to want to cover it...

Small Arms Treaty of 2012 – Elimination of the Second Amendment | Independent Sentinel

 

[AmericanFirst]

Just a fair warning that obama does not have a functioning brain in and election year

Election year or not, he has never had a functioning brain. He does what his handlers want him to.

 

[Peach]

Some on the extreme right are openly discussing treason:

Vanderboegh warns of civil war if UN small arms treaty enforced - National Conservative | Examiner.com

Frightening.

Bush was against because he thought NATIONAL controls the appropriate course, now the NRA is against it because they FEAR domestic control. Have conservatives actually read this treaty?
____________________________________________________________

a statement released by Hillary Clinton and the State Department that it was overturning the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed a proposed Arms Trade treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

the National Rifle Association, who claim that the treaty is an attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment and similar guarantees in state constitutions in order to impose domestic gun regulations.[11]

 

[GuyPinestra]

Some on the extreme right are openly discussing treason:

Vanderboegh warns of civil war if UN small arms treaty enforced - National Conservative | Examiner.com

Frightening.

Bush was against because he thought NATIONAL controls the appropriate course, now the NRA is against it because they FEAR domestic control. Have conservatives actually read this treaty?
____________________________________________________________

a statement released by Hillary Clinton and the State Department that it was overturning the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed a proposed Arms Trade treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

the National Rifle Association, who claim that the treaty is an attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment and similar guarantees in state constitutions in order to impose domestic gun regulations.[11]

I've read it, I'm against it, and if they think they're going to get a list of my weapons they need to think again.

 

[dilloduck]

Some on the extreme right are openly discussing treason:

Vanderboegh warns of civil war if UN small arms treaty enforced - National Conservative | Examiner.com

Frightening.

Bush was against because he thought NATIONAL controls the appropriate course, now the NRA is against it because they FEAR domestic control. Have conservatives actually read this treaty?
____________________________________________________________

a statement released by Hillary Clinton and the State Department that it was overturning the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed a proposed Arms Trade treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

the National Rifle Association, who claim that the treaty is an attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment and similar guarantees in state constitutions in order to impose domestic gun regulations.[11]

Ya I read it---where's the part about treason ?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Those arms makers and dealers which make gazillions of dollars a year chanelling small arms to Third World countries, contributing to the bloodshed, are going to fight this tooth and nail. And they will be pouring millions of gallons of bongwater, generating enough diversionary smoke to greenhouse the entire planet, and putting up enough deflective mirrors to power the state of Nevada with solar power.

OBAMAZ GONNA TAKE UR GUNZ!!!!

Here's a little background on the UN Small Arms Treaty.

Sorry it's not from the NYT, but they don't seem to want to cover it...

Small Arms Treaty of 2012 – Elimination of the Second Amendment | Independent Sentinel

They’re not covering it because it’s moronic idiocy.

And presidents don’t ‘sign’ treaties, treaties are authorized by a two-thirds majority in the Senate.

 

[Peach]

Some on the extreme right are openly discussing treason:

Vanderboegh warns of civil war if UN small arms treaty enforced - National Conservative | Examiner.com

Frightening.

Bush was against because he thought NATIONAL controls the appropriate course, now the NRA is against it because they FEAR domestic control. Have conservatives actually read this treaty?
____________________________________________________________

a statement released by Hillary Clinton and the State Department that it was overturning the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed a proposed Arms Trade treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

the National Rifle Association, who claim that the treaty is an attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment and similar guarantees in state constitutions in order to impose domestic gun regulations.[11]

I've read it, I'm against it, and if they think they're going to get a list of my weapons they need to think again.

It will not impact individual ownership; HOWEVER, it will open up big time litigation from the gun lobby. Thus, it is perhaps best the firearms death industry will see it doesn't make it through the Senate. The contradiction between Bush & the NRA is interesting, Bush spoke of NATIONAL controls, which amounts to the same thing: many, many lawsuits.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Those arms makers and dealers which make gazillions of dollars a year chanelling small arms to Third World countries, contributing to the bloodshed, are going to fight this tooth and nail. And they will be pouring millions of gallons of bongwater, generating enough diversionary smoke to greenhouse the entire planet, and putting up enough deflective mirrors to power the state of Nevada with solar power.

OBAMAZ GONNA TAKE UR GUNZ!!!!

Here's a little background on the UN Small Arms Treaty.

Sorry it's not from the NYT, but they don't seem to want to cover it...

Small Arms Treaty of 2012 – Elimination of the Second Amendment | Independent Sentinel

They’re not covering it because it’s moronic idiocy.

And presidents don’t ‘sign’ treaties, treaties are authorized by a two-thirds majority in the Senate.

Presidents DO sign treaties, which then must be RATIFIED by the Senate.

And if you think allowing the 2nd Amendment to be usurped by the UN is a GOOD thing, you're NUTZ!

 

[Peach]

Some on the extreme right are openly discussing treason:

Vanderboegh warns of civil war if UN small arms treaty enforced - National Conservative | Examiner.com

Frightening.

Bush was against because he thought NATIONAL controls the appropriate course, now the NRA is against it because they FEAR domestic control. Have conservatives actually read this treaty?
____________________________________________________________

a statement released by Hillary Clinton and the State Department that it was overturning the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed a proposed Arms Trade treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

the National Rifle Association, who claim that the treaty is an attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment and similar guarantees in state constitutions in order to impose domestic gun regulations.[11]

Ya I read it---where's the part about treason ?

The man said there will be CIVIL WAR, bearing arms against one's country is TREASON.