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But, like the auto industry, a shutdown not only affects the entity being shut down, but all of the industries/businesses that rely on that entity. Like restaurants, tourism, retail, communities, the tax base, the schools, the public works, and every company that supplied raw material to NASA.I'd love to see a lot more space exploration, but as the conservatives love to say, we're broke. I'd rather poor people have food and heating oil than for us to have more Space Shuttles.
Answer this question:First off NASA isn't "folded up". Where the hell did you come up with that?
Second, Bush said he wouldn't "nation build" but then turned around and invaded and occupied a nation for no good reason.
Bottom line? Pols lie to get elected and yes, times can change which requires changing how you deal with them.
You are 100% right Goose. Thank you.
I am changing the name of this thread to:
OBAMA IS A GOD DAMNED LIAR
He said he was not going to eliminate those jobs there and he did.
But hey, wait a damn minute! It is okay for Obama to lie and cut jobs because Obama, he cares and has feelings for people and wants to do good and holds hands telling everyone everything is going to be fine.
But if a Republican fires anyone in the private sector, ON NO, HE IS TERRIBLE AND HATES PEOPLE.
Got it Goose. Thank you so much for clearing that up and reminding me Obama is a liar and that should have been the name of this thread.
Tootles.
Does Obama have the power to allocate funding to NASA?
If you believe so, then cite the authority in the Constitution.
But, like the auto industry, a shutdown not only affects the entity being shut down, but all of the industries/businesses that rely on that entity. Like restaurants, tourism, retail, communities, the tax base, the schools, the public works, and every company that supplied raw material to NASA.I'd love to see a lot more space exploration, but as the conservatives love to say, we're broke. I'd rather poor people have food and heating oil than for us to have more Space Shuttles.
Campaigning there in 08 he said he would never allow them to fold up.
He spoke at NASA stating that.
And then he folds them up.
How sad that we are now reduced to hitching a ride with the Russians if we want to get someone into space.
For now. There are Private companies out there that are stepping up...
SPACEX
Fear not...
NASA Announces Dragon To Space Station
again.... the planning for the end of the shuttle program was done during the Bush administration. It was old...the shuttles were old... you OK with losing another one, and the lives in it?
McCain asks Bush to stop dismantling shuttle infrastructure – The Write Stuff – Orlando Sentinel
Ok wiseguy, I will go along with you and also play dumb.
Obama shut down the shuttle and launch facility and NASA fired 7500 employees.
Retured the Atlantis shuttle after 31 flights when it was projected to do 120.
Obama spoke to the space shuttle lauch employees at NASA in 08 and promised not to cut a penny from that program and what does he do?
He shuts it down.
"I will protect space industry jobs."
Then he cancels The Constellation project.
Obama in 08 on the Bush administration: "Today we have an administration that sets goals for NASA without giving NASA the support it needs to reach them."
Are you following this r..e..a..l close, I am going nice and slow for you.........
But hey Moe, you are right, Obama has not failed to keep the largely useless, and pointless NASA bureaucracy IN PLACE. Such is typical of those that love big government generally, especially envisioned by Democrats and the naive.
Folks that know nothing of science just love employees on the government dole not doing anything the people really need to have.
Got it?
God forbid we thought about using private enterprise. I mean, imagine doing the same thing for a fraction of the cost!
Or the shuttles being retired.
No worries we suck up to the Russians now, Obama just needs more flexibility.
At the moment, along with foreseeable moments, we still depend on the Russians to send a U.S. astronaut into space.
Don't know about any of you; for decades one source of pride about being an American was our space program AND our ability to send an American into space anytime we wanted to.
Currently, we do not have that capability.
You didn't answer that simple question I asked you.Answer this question:You are 100% right Goose. Thank you.
I am changing the name of this thread to:
OBAMA IS A GOD DAMNED LIAR
He said he was not going to eliminate those jobs there and he did.
But hey, wait a damn minute! It is okay for Obama to lie and cut jobs because Obama, he cares and has feelings for people and wants to do good and holds hands telling everyone everything is going to be fine.
But if a Republican fires anyone in the private sector, ON NO, HE IS TERRIBLE AND HATES PEOPLE.
Got it Goose. Thank you so much for clearing that up and reminding me Obama is a liar and that should have been the name of this thread.
Tootles.
Does Obama have the power to allocate funding to NASA?
If you believe so, then cite the authority in the Constitution.
Let me explain something that you may not be aware of, a strange practice that often has no sense of reason in any of it's maneuvering and rarely submits to any accepted doctrine, much less the Constitution.
POLITICS.
Obama submitted a budget with all of these cuts and his opposition, the Republicans, will cry "we reluctantly went with that because Obama would not offer other cuts".
Politics. He offered it and they went with it and they use it against him.
Been going on for 236 years.
Campaigning there in 08 he said he would never allow them to fold up.
He spoke at NASA stating that.
And then he folds them up.
What he did, the communist asshole, is to cut the ISS, Shuttle and the funding for the new James Webb Space Telescope by such a percentage that the Russians and communist Chinese have picked up the deficit and now will fund accordingly. How sad. On the one hand, thank you commies, on the other, Osama Hussein is Muslim and despises the capitalist model of economy in this country. He has the science education of tree shrew and is a destroyer of a nation.
As a detail, orbiters Atlantis and Endeavour were at only half their operating life and they are now parked. Tragic. The greatest flying machine the world has ever known......
$6 dollar gas, $15,000,000,000,000 in debt and counting at 9 million per minute and there you have it. A full left wing radcial liberal asshole.
Hail, NASA
Robert
Yet, when Obama tries to use government funding to compete with the Chinese (Solyndra), you wingnuts go apeshit.
Yet, when Obama tries to use government funding to compete with the Chinese (Solyndra), you wingnuts go apeshit.
What is your point with this statement. I do not understand.
Robert
Straw man, fuckwit.God forbid we thought about using private enterprise. I mean, imagine doing the same thing for a fraction of the cost!Or the shuttles being retired.
No worries we suck up to the Russians now, Obama just needs more flexibility.
So, private enterprise took us to the moon and NOT a government program?
How interesting.
You didn't even read the article, did you?Did they also build the interstate system? Hoover Dam? Oooo...I know...the Manhattan Project...that was private enterprise, right?
Going to war ≠ going to the Moon. Please try to stay on topic.Tell me, how did hiring private contractors work out for the last war? Did it SAVE taxpayers a bunch of money?
Private enterprise doesn't care about outcome?Private enterprise is great if you don't care about the OUTCOME.
If you care about the OUTCOME (healthcare, going to the moon, building infrastructure) you have GOVERNMENT do it. If all you care about is throwing taxpayer money at private businesses, you go YOUR route.
Yet, when Obama tries to use government funding to compete with the Chinese (Solyndra), you wingnuts go apeshit.
What is your point with this statement. I do not understand.
Robert
They're point is that no matter what Obama does, you will complain.
If he cuts Government spending and encourages private enterprise to fill the gap, as he did here, you complain. And somehow call him a "Communist" because of it to boot.
If the man produced enough gold from his ass to pay off the national debt, people like you would complain about the smell.
Hey, let's just let Pinkerton and Advance Security go over to Afghanistan and fight the Taliban.
Private contractors can do it cheaper and more efficiently.
Campaigning there in 08 he said he would never allow them to fold up.
He spoke at NASA stating that.
And then he folds them up.
Campaigning there in 08 he said he would never allow them to fold up.
He spoke at NASA stating that.
And then he folds them up.
What part of "We are broke" don't you understand? We can no longer afford niceties like NASA.
