Obama Supports Bill to Repeal Defense of Marriage Act

[Kuros]

DOMA is an embasrassment to the nation. Its repeal is long overdue

Are you saying the people shouldn't have a right to define what marriage is?

What if Utah decided to legalize Polygamy? Should all the other 49 states recognize that?

What if Kentucky allowed 13 years olds to get married or people to marry their siblings?

And what if the sky were falling, then we would simply HAVE to discriminate gays?

Conservatives (and there are so few of them left) should oppose DOMA as well. Marriage is a state matter. If you file suit in a Federal court for recognition of marriage, it will be thrown out, because States have exclusive jurisdiction over family law. DOMA is the most clearly unconstitutional law Congress has passed in the last 20 years.

But hey, lets just toss out some regional stereotypes to justify DOMA. The sky is falling!!!

 

[Dr.Drock]

Good to see either Obama's bigotry is fading or he isn't letting it get involved in his politics anymore.


That being said this is better than before, but the best case scenario is getting government out of all marriages, which will never happen.

 

[JoeB131]

And what if the sky were falling, then we would simply HAVE to discriminate gays?

Conservatives (and there are so few of them left) should oppose DOMA as well. Marriage is a state matter. If you file suit in a Federal court for recognition of marriage, it will be thrown out, because States have exclusive jurisdiction over family law. DOMA is the most clearly unconstitutional law Congress has passed in the last 20 years.

But hey, lets just toss out some regional stereotypes to justify DOMA. The sky is falling!!!

Hey, if you want Polygamy in your state, then have at it.

The problem is, my state officials shouldn't have to recognize it.

Incidently, I think DOMA is unconstitutional in a strict legal sense, but I have a real problem when you have 39 states that have voted overwealmingly to define marriage, but one state and a court can say, "nope, we're going to redefine it for you.".

I think gay marriage is pretty much inevitable, and frankly, we'd all be better off to get this silly discussion off the table, but it should be done the right way, through the democratic process.

I don't think you'd want it to be like Roe v. Wade, where a rule was imposed without a national debate. People still don't accept that ruling because of the way it was done.

 

[GoneBezerk]

He had to dupe his black vote....but now he's taking the mask off since he has nothing to lose with the economy tanked.

Obama Supports Bill to Repeal Defense of Marriage Act - Politics - The Atlantic Wire

President Obama is endorsing a bill to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act. Introduced by Democratic senators Dianne Feinstein, Patrick Leahy and Kirsten Gillibrand, the Respect of Marriage Act would repeal the law, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman and effectively bans same-sex marriage on a federal level. The bill comes well after Obama instructed the Department of Justice to stop enforcing DOMA. National Journal reports that press secretary Jay Carney announced the president's stance on the bill in a Tuesday afternoon press conference:

The president has "long called for a legislative appeal for the so-called Defense of Marriage Act which continues to have a real impact on families," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters at Tuesday's briefing. He said the president "is proud to support the act, which would take the Defense of Marriage Act off the books for once and for all."

Very interesting to say the least.

especially since he campaigned saying he was against gay marriage.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

ah ok. well, it seems this will remain a states issue.

Provided the states don’t violate their citizens’ civil rights; if they elect to do so then it will indeed be a matter for the courts.

Personally, I don't like when Courts try to play legislators. If you guys think gay marriage isa good idea, convince 51% of the electorate that it is.

The snag here is majorities don’t determine whether one is ‘allowed’ his civil rights or not. If states and other local jurisdictions merely stopped violating their citizens’ civil rights, the courts would rarely need to be involved.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Obama Supports Bill to Repeal Defense of Marriage Act - Politics - The Atlantic Wire

President Obama is endorsing a bill to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act. Introduced by Democratic senators Dianne Feinstein, Patrick Leahy and Kirsten Gillibrand, the Respect of Marriage Act would repeal the law, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman and effectively bans same-sex marriage on a federal level. The bill comes well after Obama instructed the Department of Justice to stop enforcing DOMA. National Journal reports that press secretary Jay Carney announced the president's stance on the bill in a Tuesday afternoon press conference:

The president has "long called for a legislative appeal for the so-called Defense of Marriage Act which continues to have a real impact on families," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters at Tuesday's briefing. He said the president "is proud to support the act, which would take the Defense of Marriage Act off the books for once and for all."

Very interesting to say the least.

Gotta admire a man that leads from behind.

 

[JakeStarkey]

He had to dupe his black vote....but now he's taking the mask off since he has nothing to lose with the economy tanked.

Obama Supports Bill to Repeal Defense of Marriage Act - Politics - The Atlantic Wire Very interesting to say the least.

especially since he campaigned saying he was against gay marriage.

Yep, you are a silly berzerker! The president said his position is evolving, and so has the rest of the country on this. Those opposed to universal marriage are in the definite minority, and in the under forty crowd, the distances are huge and growing for universal marriage.

 

[Dot Com]

notice how big I made that if.

It's a fair point to say it is a big if. I just don't see the GOP nominating Romney or if they do then the base will eat him alive. He'll end up having to make someone like Bachmann his running mate. 2008 all over again.

romney won't choose Bachmann or Perry. he's not stupid.

They need someone to appeal to the base, That's why they chose Bible Spice in '08.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I would not be surprised if we chose Perry sour in 12.

 

[elvis]

It's a fair point to say it is a big if. I just don't see the GOP nominating Romney or if they do then the base will eat him alive. He'll end up having to make someone like Bachmann his running mate. 2008 all over again.

romney won't choose Bachmann or Perry. he's not stupid.

They need someone to appeal to the base, That's why they chose Bible Spice in '08.

look how that turned out.

 

[JoeB131]

ah ok. well, it seems this will remain a states issue.

Provided the states don’t violate their citizens’ civil rights; if they elect to do so then it will indeed be a matter for the courts.

Personally, I don't like when Courts try to play legislators. If you guys think gay marriage isa good idea, convince 51% of the electorate that it is.

The snag here is majorities don’t determine whether one is ‘allowed’ his civil rights or not. If states and other local jurisdictions merely stopped violating their citizens’ civil rights, the courts would rarely need to be involved.

Except that a license shouldn't be a civil rights issue. They are permissions issued by the state. I can't use my IL fishing license in Wisconsin. I have to get a license to fish in Wisconsin and I'm held to the rules they have for their state.

It's not a violation of rights if the rule is the same for EVERYONE in that state.

 

[Qball]

This is for the headlines. He was opposed to both gay marriage and Prop 8 in 2008 for some weird reason like he thinks "when you go amending constitutions and stuff just to keep families apart" or whatever in the hell contra-legal double-talk BS he used.

 

[JoeB131]

romney won't choose Bachmann or Perry. he's not stupid.

They need someone to appeal to the base, That's why they chose Bible Spice in '08.

look how that turned out.

Actually, I don't think Palin was much of a factor one way or the other.

The ugly reality of John McCain is that as much as the left says they Loooooove Moderate Republicans, they never actually vote for them.

Look at the Republican losers since Nixon- Ford, Bob Dole and McCain. All guys the left said they loved because they were sensible, moderates who could work with Democrats. But given the oppurtuntiy, they didn't vote for these guys, did they? Heck, no. They just villified them the minute they got the nomination, and the conservative base was like, "Well, we never wanted these clowns to start with."

 

[MaggieMae]

I can't see the base staying home IF the GOP nominates someone like Bachmann or Perry.

notice how big I made that if.

Even if the economy is improving, Obama will have a fight with Romney, perhaps with Perry. The others are toast.

It's going to come down to red v. blue states and the electoral votes, no matter which Republican gets the nod in the primaries. And the swing states are even tighter this year. Frankly, I think Romney should win because the fringe elements are only visible on angry message boards and blogs. There still are millions of sane Republicans who want no part of strategies based on hysteria alone.

 

[MaggieMae]

But I bet he picks a woman. Maybe someone like Meg Whitman?

She couldn't even buy her way to victory in CA. Doubtful he'd pick her.

I couldn't think of any other female Republican. There's surely none serving in Washington currently who could be elevated. And no one else seems to be making any noise, unless Romney pulls a rabbit out of the hat like McCain did. Sarah who??

 

[JakeStarkey]

Romney could pick Condi, which would certainly hold the right of the party. Hmm . . . despite world courts and potential war crime charges against many of the Bushies, she would be protected by virtue of her office if elected.

So, how about Condi?

 

[MaggieMae]

Obama Supports Bill to Repeal Defense of Marriage Act - Politics - The Atlantic Wire



Very interesting to say the least.

especially since he campaigned saying he was against gay marriage.

What he said in his campaign and what he does has proven time and again to be lies, he is a big fat socialist lying pig.

Like what?

OnTheIssues.org - Candidates on the Issues

Projections also don't translate to lies, pal.

 

[LiberalHere]

Defending marriage is not a power granted to the federal government.

Marriage is nothing but a contract for the merging of property and fiscal obligations. The feds need not be involved at all as contracts are more easily manged at the state level.

Government on any level should play no role in telling anyone who can and cannot get married, simply put.

 

[LiberalHere]

ah ok. well, it seems this will remain a states issue.

Provided the states don’t violate their citizens’ civil rights; if they elect to do so then it will indeed be a matter for the courts.

Personally, I don't like when Courts try to play legislators. If you guys think gay marriage isa good idea, convince 51% of the electorate that it is.

The snag here is majorities don’t determine whether one is ‘allowed’ his civil rights or not. If states and other local jurisdictions merely stopped violating their citizens’ civil rights, the courts would rarely need to be involved.

Except that a license shouldn't be a civil rights issue. They are permissions issued by the state. I can't use my IL fishing license in Wisconsin. I have to get a license to fish in Wisconsin and I'm held to the rules they have for their state.

It's not a violation of rights if the rule is the same for EVERYONE in that state.

It's not a violation of rights if the rule is the same for everyone in that state? How so?

 

[MaggieMae]

especially since he campaigned saying he was against gay marriage.

I think he probably still is against gay "marriage," but still fully respects the rights of homosexuals. Overturning the law just leaves the slate blank. Obama isn't asking for the law to be changed to include gay marriage.

Homos don't have any more rights than normal people. Unless it is the right to be totally confused and off in the head.

They have a right according to law to be included as dual owners of property, they can be sued together as one entity if they default, but the partner of one isn't allowed beneficiary's rights regarding patient care and notification? The "rights" part is all over the place, and those should all be in sync by a legal definition of "partnership" before any federal law is in place legalizing "marriage" as between same or opposite sex.

And just because you don't like homosexuals won't make it go away. The sooner you realize that, the sooner your journey to becoming an adult will get on its way.