obama sticks to principle...clinton n mccain pander

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Clinton highlights Obama's objection to gas tax holiday

By SARA KUGLER and MIKE GLOVER

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEMOCRATS?SITE=MOCOD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


GRAHAM, N.C. (AP) -- Hillary Rodham Clinton criticized Barack Obama on Monday for opposing proposals to suspend federal gas taxes this summer, a plan she and Republican John McCain have endorsed. Obama didn't take the bait. He ignored Clinton and focused on McCain.

"My opponent, Senator Obama, opposes giving consumers a break," Clinton said at a firehouse. "I understand the American people need some relief," she added, implying that Obama doesn't get it.

He has said motorists would not benefit significantly from suspending the gas tax.

"This is his solution to the problems of the energy crisis and your tax bills," Obama told several thousand at a noisy rally in Wilmington. "Keep in mind that the federal gas tax is about 5 percent of your gas bill. If it lasts for three months, you're going to save about $25 or $30, or a half a tank of gas."

The idea to suspend the 18.4 cent federal gas tax and 24.4 cent diesel tax from Memorial Day to Labor Day was first proposed by McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, as a way to lessen the pain at the pump for consumers this summer.

Clinton said she would make up the lost revenue by imposing a "windfall profits tax" on oil companies.

"If we suspended it and made up the lost revenues, that's the best of both worlds," she said.

Both Democrats canvassed the state Monday, pushing supporters to go to the polls early here and in Indiana before both states hold primaries on May 6. Obama is favored in North Carolina while the two are competing closely in Indiana.

"That's his big solution," Obama said of McCain. "He had the gall yesterday to tell me that because I don't agree with his plan, I must not be sympathetic to poor people. This is at the same time as he is proposing hundreds of millions of dollars in tax breaks for corporate interests, for the wealthiest Americans."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds noted Obama's support for suspending gas taxes when he served in the Illinois Senate.

"Senator Obama's arguments against John McCain's gas tax holiday are complete fiction," Bounds said.

Leading in convention delegates and popular votes, Obama sought to avoid the daily back and forth with Clinton. He also declined to comment on his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who said Monday that criticism surrounding his fiery sermons is an attack on the black church. It was Wright's third appearance in four days, keeping alive a story that continues to dog Obama's campaign.

"I didn't get into this race to run against Senator Clinton, I ran to run against unemployment," Obama said.

He said McCain's approach to the issue of high gas prices was typical of how Washington works.

"There's a problem, everybody's upset about gas prices. Let's fund some short-term, quick-fix so we can say we did something, even though we didn't do anything," Obama said. He argued that reducing consumption and increasing the use of alternative fuels represent real long-term solutions to rising gasoline and diesel fuel prices.
 
Does Obama have a plan? Other than to do things differently?

I haven't really heard anything other than feel-good, everyone else is bad but I'm good speeches from him.
 
Clinton highlights Obama's objection to gas tax holiday

By SARA KUGLER and MIKE GLOVER

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEMOCRATS?SITE=MOCOD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


GRAHAM, N.C. (AP) -- Hillary Rodham Clinton criticized Barack Obama on Monday for opposing proposals to suspend federal gas taxes this summer, a plan she and Republican John McCain have endorsed. Obama didn't take the bait. He ignored Clinton and focused on McCain.

"My opponent, Senator Obama, opposes giving consumers a break," Clinton said at a firehouse. "I understand the American people need some relief," she added, implying that Obama doesn't get it.

He has said motorists would not benefit significantly from suspending the gas tax.

"This is his solution to the problems of the energy crisis and your tax bills," Obama told several thousand at a noisy rally in Wilmington. "Keep in mind that the federal gas tax is about 5 percent of your gas bill. If it lasts for three months, you're going to save about $25 or $30, or a half a tank of gas."

The idea to suspend the 18.4 cent federal gas tax and 24.4 cent diesel tax from Memorial Day to Labor Day was first proposed by McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, as a way to lessen the pain at the pump for consumers this summer.

Clinton said she would make up the lost revenue by imposing a "windfall profits tax" on oil companies.

"If we suspended it and made up the lost revenues, that's the best of both worlds," she said.

Both Democrats canvassed the state Monday, pushing supporters to go to the polls early here and in Indiana before both states hold primaries on May 6. Obama is favored in North Carolina while the two are competing closely in Indiana.

"That's his big solution," Obama said of McCain. "He had the gall yesterday to tell me that because I don't agree with his plan, I must not be sympathetic to poor people. This is at the same time as he is proposing hundreds of millions of dollars in tax breaks for corporate interests, for the wealthiest Americans."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds noted Obama's support for suspending gas taxes when he served in the Illinois Senate.

"Senator Obama's arguments against John McCain's gas tax holiday are complete fiction," Bounds said.

Leading in convention delegates and popular votes, Obama sought to avoid the daily back and forth with Clinton. He also declined to comment on his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who said Monday that criticism surrounding his fiery sermons is an attack on the black church. It was Wright's third appearance in four days, keeping alive a story that continues to dog Obama's campaign.

"I didn't get into this race to run against Senator Clinton, I ran to run against unemployment," Obama said.

He said McCain's approach to the issue of high gas prices was typical of how Washington works.

"There's a problem, everybody's upset about gas prices. Let's fund some short-term, quick-fix so we can say we did something, even though we didn't do anything," Obama said. He argued that reducing consumption and increasing the use of alternative fuels represent real long-term solutions to rising gasoline and diesel fuel prices.


So he doesn't believe there are short term solutions and long term solutions, only long term solutions. I understand now, perfectly. MCcain and Clinton have both stated that reducing consumption and increasing the use of alternative fuels are long term solutions. But since he doesn't agree with a tax break he argues they don't have long term solutions...funny.:rofl:
 
Does Obama have a plan? Other than to do things differently?

I haven't really heard anything other than feel-good, everyone else is bad but I'm good speeches from him.

here i thought a concrete example of him actually doing things differently might explain that.

my bad...
 
Really? I don't see anything concrete there other than a vague reference to the reduction of fuel tax.
 
So he doesn't believe there are short term solutions and long term solutions, only long term solutions. I understand now, perfectly. MCcain and Clinton have both stated that reducing consumption and increasing the use of alternative fuels are long term solutions. But since he doesn't agree with a tax break he argues they don't have long term solutions...funny.:rofl:

uh, more like he realizes that this particular short term fix is a pander not a fix at all.

as if clinton's paying for the lost revenue through a royalties tax isn't just going to result in higher gas prices thanks for the chuckle...:rofl:
 
I'd rather have some panderers who at least mostly believe in democracy then elect a socialist. Obama's big buzz word is change, he means from democracy to socialism..........
 
uh, more like he realizes that this particular short term fix is a pander not a fix at all.

as if clinton's paying for the lost revenue through a royalties tax isn't just going to result in higher gas prices thanks for the chuckle...:rofl:

So you don't think that prices would drop if the fed. tax was dropped? Which may in turn mean that more people will vacation this summer. Which would help the hotel industry, services industry.....etc....etc....
 
It seems the number one issue in the country at the moment is the cost of gasoline.

Of course they'll pander, they'd be idiots not to.
 
So you don't think that prices would drop if the fed. tax was dropped? Which may in turn mean that more people will vacation this summer. Which would help the hotel industry, services industry.....etc....etc....

uh, the cost of gasoline has gone up 20 twenty in the last week...and as a percentage of the cost the gas tax is only going to shrink...

dude if twenty cents on the gallon is going to make the difference on whether someone takes a vacation...crap...you really think that person should be taking a vacation????

the mentality in this country is unbelievable...when did people stop thinking they needed to pay for things?

we've got bridges collapsing you think we should suspend paying for infrastructure?

:clap2:
 
It seems the number one issue in the country at the moment is the cost of gasoline.

Of course they'll pander, they'd be idiots not to.


right if you are running a campaign based on politics as usual.


:eusa_hand:

that's not what obama is doing and that's not his message.
:cool:
 
he's actually showing his faith that americans (let us pray) are actually smart enough to realize that suspending the gas tax is just a frickin gimmick.

ya know there are still some fiscal conservatives (only most of the time they have their heads so far up their ass they can't remember that)
 
"Most economists side with Obama on the issue. Summer gasoline price spikes are driven by demand for fuel far more than supply issues. Suspending the federal gas tax might have a very temporary impact, but prices would rise back quickly to what's known as "the market-clearing rate." If they did not, the country would quickly face fuel shortages.

That would mean the 18-cent decrease in gas taxes would represent a temporary subsidy to the oil companies, says James Hamilton, an energy economist at the University of California - San Diego."

facts...http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/30/hoyer_sides_with_obama_on_gas.html
 
he's actually showing his faith that americans (let us pray) are actually smart enough to realize that suspending the gas tax is just a frickin gimmick.

ya know there are still some fiscal conservatives (only most of the time they have their heads so far up their ass they can't remember that)

Just like the tax rebate checks, yep, a big stupid gimmick. But Obama voted for them, didn't he?
 
I think he's too distracted by Rev Wright to think straight at the moment.

well no doubt some people are too distracted by the rev to think straight...

but claiming the reason Obama is not supporting the gas tax suspension because he's distracted by that bullshit though is just down right silly(being polite)...IMEO
 
Just like the tax rebate checks, yep, a big stupid gimmick. But Obama voted for them, didn't he?

ya know...I gotta admit that's a good point..

will you buy:

sticking to your guns vs. committing suicide?
 
How about we just stop pretending Obama isn't a politician?


He's not, haven't you heard? He's the new Messiah destined to bring peace and unity to the land (as soon as he can get that bitch Hillary to quit and her minions to kiss his ass).

Can't even unify his party and he's going to unify a country????????
 

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