Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

[healthmyths]

AND you idiots are the same ignorant people that just don't comprehend that Obamacare was passed on a false premise i.e. 50 million uninsured!
There NEVER were 50 million uninsured because:
1) 10 million per the CENSUS called "uninsured" are NOT CITIZENS!!!
2) 14 million Americans counted as uninsured ARE COVERED BY MEDICAID!! Already so why are they counted as UNINSURED???
3) 18 million people UNDER 34 making $50k a year refuse to buy insurance because THEY pay their costs out of pocket less expensive then having insurance!
They never wanted insurance BUT Obamacare counts them!!!

Truly 42 million of the bogus 50 million are either illegals, already covered or never needed it!!

8 million truly wanted and need coverage.
Solved by taxing the $100 billion lawyers make and providing coverage for the Uninsured.
Require all hospitals to register the "uninsured" and then pass the claims to the government to pay from the $10 billion in taxes from the lawyers!
Problem solved.. $600 billion goes down cause tax declines as $600 billion in duplicate tests,etc goes down as physicians NOT fearing lawsuits!
Hospitals won't be "padding and passing" on the "unreimbursed" because they will be reimbursed!
Problem solved just like Obamacare tax tanning salons cause the cause cancer...lawyers should be taxed cause the CAUSE the $600 billion defensive medicine" costs!

 

[Greenbeard]

It's just an innocent abuse of power.

Nothing more.

Nothing to see here.

There's been no abuse of power.

Section 1311(d)(5)(A) of the Affordable Care Act contemplates an Exchange charging assessments or user fees to participating issuers to generate funding to support its operations. As the operator of a Federally-facilitated Exchange, HHS has the authority, under this section of the statute, to collect and spend such user fees. In addition, 31 U.S.C. 9701 provides for an agency to establish a charge for a service provided by the agency. Office of Management and Budget Circular A-25 Revised (“Circular A-25R”) establishes Federal policy regarding user fees and specifies that a user charge will be assessed against each identifiable recipient for special benefits derived from Federal activities beyond those received by the general public. In this proposed rule, we establish a user fee for issuers participating in a Federally-facilitated Exchange.

 

[mudwhistle]

Republican governors can try and make this work, or they can toss their hands up and pout. If the ACA fails, we'll go single payer.

I doubt that. There is no stomach in this country to go single payer among the American people or the Congress, ACA or no ACA. Furthermore, I would argue that single payer would be unconstitutional.

What about the growing population of people who (in Bill O'Reilly's words) "want stuff"?

Hopefully, in a few decades, when this oh so dreaded group becomes the super majority we will have the stomach for UHC.

Universal Health Care is a myth.

 

[AmyNation]

I doubt that. There is no stomach in this country to go single payer among the American people or the Congress, ACA or no ACA. Furthermore, I would argue that single payer would be unconstitutional.

I disagree, the trend is more and more toward single payer. If after a few years of the ACA, healthcare costs skyrockets, and businesses start to evaluate how much they can save by the country going single payer, it will happen.

Right now, Americans think we can have good healthcare without going with a European model. If in 10 years no one has come up with a solution to our healthcare problems, and te ACA is in the toilet, Americans will be ready to look toward Europe and Canada.

But we don't have problem with our health care system. It's one of the best in the world. In terms of quality, it is the best in the world. The issue has been the cost and that is directly the fault of the government.

We have the best in the world, if you have the money for it. That's an issue that can drive us toward single payer if we can't fix it.

 

[mudwhistle]

It's just an innocent abuse of power.

Nothing more.

Nothing to see here.

There's been no abuse of power.

Section 1311(d)(5)(A) of the Affordable Care Act contemplates an Exchange charging assessments or user fees to participating issuers to generate funding to support its operations. As the operator of a Federally-facilitated Exchange, HHS has the authority, under this section of the statute, to collect and spend such user fees. In addition, 31 U.S.C. 9701 provides for an agency to establish a charge for a service provided by the agency. Office of Management and Budget Circular A-25 Revised (“Circular A-25R&#8221 establishes Federal policy regarding user fees and specifies that a user charge will be assessed against each identifiable recipient for special benefits derived from Federal activities beyond those received by the general public. In this proposed rule, we establish a user fee for issuers participating in a Federally-facilitated Exchange.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet you're stupid enough to think Obama would never abuse the privilege if we didn't have a debt-ceiling too.

I'm for telling him to go fuck himself.

The feds have no business getting involved in the health care business.

All they'll do is make it more expensive and more of a hassle.

 

[healthmyths]

Republican governors can try and make this work, or they can toss their hands up and pout. If the ACA fails, we'll go single payer.

I doubt that. There is no stomach in this country to go single payer among the American people or the Congress, ACA or no ACA. Furthermore, I would argue that single payer would be unconstitutional.

I disagree, the trend is more and more toward single payer. If after a few years of the ACA, healthcare costs skyrockets, and businesses start to evaluate how much they can save by the country going single payer, it will happen.

Right now, Americans think we can have good healthcare without going with a European model. If in 10 years no one has come up with a solution to our healthcare problems, and te ACA is in the toilet, Americans will be ready to look toward Europe and Canada.

IDIOT!!! You really know nothing about health care financing do you!!!

If you have a single payer what does that mean dumb f...k!!!
Means 1,300 insurance companies out of business !
$100 billion ADDITIONAL costs because the $100 billion federal/state/local and YOUR local property taxes are gone when these companies are gone!
400,000 people become UNEmPLOYED!! NO more payroll taxes from the employers that employ those people! NO more FUTA that pays the unemployment checks!
Did you ever think about thaT???

IT's NEVER been the insurance companies ... they just pass on the claims in the form of HIGHER Premiums!
AND the same idiots that said "OH let's tax the tanning salons in Obamacare cause they cause cancer and therefore they should be penalized..""
NEVER looked because 42% of Congress and Obama are lawyers!
And Lawyers according to the physicians who FEAR being sued created the $600 billion a YEAR in wasted duplicate tests..specialists... all out of FEAR nOT reality of cancer!!!

WHY are you idiots so basss ackwards here??
CUT the claims and you cut the premiums!

ALSO you idiots NEVER seemed to question WHY did Obama care come about??
BECAUSE HE FAVORS a single payer BUT because HE HATES businesses HE HATES Profits!

AND that's the rub! Evil profits!
Well idiot... those profits are what provide insurance companies reserves and if they have NO profits... they have no reserves and they will not be allowed PER STATE regulations to sell insurance..

AND GUESS what dummy!!! $100 billion a year in LOST Federal/state/local and yes your property taxes will be the case cause the companies will be out of business!
Are you that stupid not to understand the simple facts of insurance???

Finally I guess idiots like yOU never realized that there were never 50 million uninsured which is the first MAJOR problem I had with Obamacare that it was premised on a fraud!
10 million of uninsured are not citizens, 14 million are covered already by Medicaid and 18 million never wanted, needed as they pay out of pocket!!!

BUT that fraud was perpetuated even by conservatives!
Never once did the concept of taxing the $100 billion lawyers made from the lawsuits,etc. that causes the $600 billion a year in defensive medicine and PASSED ON in CLAIMS!
Never once once the concept this $10 billion taxes on the $100 billion could be used to pay the claims of the UNINSURED!!

Because Obama/Congress received $300 million from lawyers in 2008 that's why! Poor tanning salons.. I don't know how much they gave but not nearly enough!!!

 

[California]

I doubt that. There is no stomach in this country to go single payer among the American people or the Congress, ACA or no ACA. Furthermore, I would argue that single payer would be unconstitutional.

What about the growing population of people who (in Bill O'Reilly's words) "want stuff"?

You don't think that's true?

No, I don't. I think what a growing number of demographics in the country want is a renewed relationship between them and their government. A relationship that can function in this century and (with any luck as we go forward) the next few after that.

 

[mudwhistle]

What about the growing population of people who (in Bill O'Reilly's words) "want stuff"?

You don't think that's true?

No, I don't. I think what a growing number of demographics in the country want is a renewed relationship between them and their government. A relationship that can function in this century and (with any luck as we go forward) the next few after that.

The last century they called it authoritarianism.

 

[gallantwarrior]

So....GOP led states (Like SC, that bitch gov we have here).....are going to pass power TO THE FEDS (despite their talking points of states power) and as a result we'll all get charged more by the private sector heroes who run insurance companies.

Great job GOP. And on again, you wonder why you lost.

Why don't you thank your hero and messiah for precipitating this shit to begin with? Ever heard "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"? Well, for most of us, it wasn't broke to begin with...

 

[gallantwarrior]

YOU voted for it people

now here comes the dictators hammer..

That's true. He won with a "clear mandate". Elections have consequences. It's really tough when the libturds learn just what those consequences are.

 

[freedombecki]

So....GOP led states (Like SC, that bitch gov we have here).....are going to pass power TO THE FEDS (despite their talking points of states power) and as a result we'll all get charged more by the private sector heroes who run insurance companies.

Great job GOP.

If I recall correctly, it wasn't the GOP who passed this monstrosity into law in the first place, but it's not like any of us expect you to be objective.

Actually, no, we didn't. Nancy Pelosi reminded her boughten leftie congresscritters to remember who holds their rotten FBI Files in Omerta code talk:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU]Pelosi: "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It" - YouTube[/ame]
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[gallantwarrior]

Republican governors can try and make this work, or they can toss their hands up and pout. If the ACA fails, we'll go single payer.

gop controls congress, so that's not a reality, well not yet anyway

Not really, tard-boy. The Republicans control the House. Your tin gods run the Senate. That does not equal "gop controls congress".
It's OK, I understand. You are no more than the sum total of your liberal indoctrination, er...education, system.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Republican governors can try and make this work, or they can toss their hands up and pout. If the ACA fails, we'll go single payer.

I doubt that. There is no stomach in this country to go single payer among the American people or the Congress, ACA or no ACA. Furthermore, I would argue that single payer would be unconstitutional.

What about the growing population of people who (in Bill O'Reilly's words) "want stuff"?

Hopefully, in a few decades, when this oh so dreaded group becomes the super majority we will have the stomach for UHC.

How about the rest of us who are perfectly happy with OUR stuff?

 

[gallantwarrior]

so now this administation can just MAKE UP any new rules it feels like it anytime it feels like..

Where have you been?

 

[WillowTree]

So, does this mean we'll be able to afford healthcare?

No, bamie gave your health care away to the welfare queens.

 

[Foxfyre]

I was just wondering. Have any of you seen your insurance premiums go DOWN since Obamacare was voted into law?

Have any of you been informed that your insurance costs will be LESS once the law is fully into effect?

All we have seen so far is higher premiums for Medicare, more copay, and reduction in services.

If that is a snapshot of what is to come, hold onto your wallets folks.

 

[mudwhistle]

YOU voted for it people

now here comes the dictators hammer..

That's true. He won with a "clear mandate". Elections have consequences. It's really tough when the libturds learn just what those consequences are.

I don't think a stolen election is a clear mandate.

By Kenric Ward | Watchdog.org Virginia Bureau October 9, 2012

FREDERICKSBURG — A Virginia election-watch organization has sent letters to some 2,000 nursing homes warning that aggressive voter-registration groups may be “harvesting votes” of vulnerable seniors.

HELP: A nursing-home patient is assisted in casting her vote.

But in the absence of formal complaints to the State Board of Elections, skeptics say the Virginia Voters Alliance is merely grandstanding or, worse, trampling First Amendment rights.

“Facilities such as yours are often targeted under the guise of ‘helping’ senior citizens, while really having the intention of stealing the vote,” wrote VVA president Reagan George.

George, a tea party activist based in Chantilly, said a “representative sampling of techniques” includes:

Registering patients without their knowledge or against their will.
Registrations resulting in the person being registered multiple times with the state, or possibly two different states.
Registering patients who have been judged incompetent.
Applying for an absentee ballot either without the person’s knowledge or against the person’s will and inserting their organization as a “voting assistant.”
Submitting a prepared ballot to a patient for signature, forging the person’s signature or signing for recently deceased patients.

Links
Blog: On the Harvesting of Votes

VA: Group warns of ‘vote harvesting’ at nursing homes « Watchdog News

 

[gallantwarrior]

What about the growing population of people who (in Bill O'Reilly's words) "want stuff"?

You don't think that's true?

No, I don't. I think what a growing number of demographics in the country want is a renewed relationship between them and their government. A relationship that can function in this century and (with any luck as we go forward) the next few after that.

Some of us do, in fact, desire a different relationship with our government. We want government to leave us alone, to allow us to earn and spend our earnings as WE see fit. We don't need a nanny to house, clothe, feed, and tell us when to shit, piss, a lick our asses...or theirs.

 

[WillowTree]

Republican governors can try and make this work, or they can toss their hands up and pout. If the ACA fails, we'll go single payer.

I doubt that. There is no stomach in this country to go single payer among the American people or the Congress, ACA or no ACA. Furthermore, I would argue that single payer would be unconstitutional.

What about the growing population of people who (in Bill O'Reilly's words) "want stuff"?

Hopefully, in a few decades, when this oh so dreaded group becomes the super majority we will have the stomach for UHC.

They do want stuff. Coincidently the 47% who "want stuff" are the same ones who pay ZERO federal income tax, then they turn around and demonize people like MItt Romney for being successful.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I was just wondering. Have any of you seen your insurance premiums go DOWN since Obamacare was voted into law?

Have any of you been informed that your insurance costs will be LESS once the law is fully into effect?

All we have seen so far is higher premiums for Medicare, more copay, and reduction in services.

If that is a snapshot of what is to come, hold onto your wallets folks.

No. I have been told that my Tricare will be shrunk and eventually included in Medicare. Funny, I contracted with my government to receive healthcare in exchange for a defined number of my years dedicated to their service. I now have to purchase Tricare and pay part of my medical care costs. How many of you all really believe that your government healthcare will fare any better than that promised to veterans?