Obama signs order to close GITMO--& order against "harsh" interrogation tactics!

[del]

that's why I named my son Ben---short for Benedict Arnold

that's why i named my daughter rose- short for rosenberg

 

[Truthmatters]

If you feel it also applies to you then go ahead.

 

[WillowTree]

mine is tater,, dick tater

 

[Tech_Esq]

"We intend to win this fight. We're going to win it on our terms,"

No matter how many Americans have to die to do it!

It's a great start! We should also remember to use proportionate response when dealing with the terrorists too. We wouldn't want the world to think we are bullying them or anything.

 

[WillowTree]

No matter how many Americans have to die to do it!

It's a great start! We should also remember to use proportionate response when dealing with the terrorists too. We wouldn't want the world to think we are bullying them or anything.

oh heaven forbid!

 

[Gunny]

Obama signs order to close Guantanamo in a year
By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer Ben Feller, Associated Press Writer 6 mins ago

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama began overhauling U.S. treatment of terror suspects Thursday, signing orders to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center, shut down secret overseas CIA prisons, review military war crimes trials and ban the harshest interrogation methods.

With his action, Obama started changing how the United States prosecutes and questions al-Qaida, Taliban or other foreign fighters who pose a threat to Americans — and overhauling America's image abroad, battered by accusations of the use of torture and the indefinite detention of suspects at the Guantanamo prison in Cuba.

"The message that we are sending the world is that the United States intends to prosecute the ongoing struggle against violence and terrorism and we are going to do so vigilantly and we are going to do so effectively and we are going to do so in a manner that is consistent with our values and our ideals," the president said.

The centerpiece order would close the much-maligned Guantanamo facility within a year, a complicated process with many unanswered questions that was nonetheless a key campaign promise of Obama's. The administration already has suspended trials for terrorist suspects at Guantanamo for 120 days pending a review of the military tribunals.

In the other actions, Obama:

_Created a task force to recommend policies on handling terror suspects who are detained in the future. Specifically, the group would look at where those detainees should be housed since Guantanamo is closing.

_Required all U.S. personnel to follow the U.S. Army Field Manual while interrogating detainees. The manual explicitly prohibits threats, coercion, physical abuse and waterboarding, a technique that creates the sensation of drowning and has been termed a form of torture by critics. However, a Capitol Hill aide says that the administration also is planning a study of more aggressive interrogation methods that could be added to the Army manual — which would create a significant loophole to Obama's action Thursday.

"We believe that the Army Field Manual reflects the best judgment of our military, that we can abide by a rule that says we don't torture, but that we can still effectively obtain the intelligence that we need," Obama said. He said his action reflects an understanding that "we are willing to observe core standards of conduct, not just when it's easy, but also when it's hard."

A task force will study whether other interrogation guidelines — beyond what's spelled out in the Army manual — are necessary for intelligence professionals in dealing with terror suspects.

But an Obama administration official said that provision should not be considered a loophole that will allow controversial "enhanced interrogation techniques" to be re-introduced. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to speak candidly about the administration's thinking.

The order also orders the CIA to close all its existing detention facilities abroad for terror suspects — and prohibits those prisons from being used in the future. The agency has used those secret "black site" prisons around the world to question terror suspects.

_Directed the Justice Department to review the case of Qatar native Ali al-Marri, who is the only enemy combatant currently being held on U.S. soil. The directive will ask the high court for a stay in al-Marri's appeals case while the review is ongoing. The government says al-Marri is an al-Qaida sleeper agent.

An estimated 245 men are being held at the U.S. naval base in Cuba, most of whom have been detained for years without being charged with a crime. Among the sticky issues the Obama administration has to resolve are where to put those detainees — whether back in their home countries or at other federal detention centers — and how to prosecute some of them for war crimes.

"We intend to win this fight. We're going to win it on our terms," Obama said as he signed three executive orders and a presidential directive.

The administration official said Obama's government will not transfer detainees to countries that will mistreat them, including their own home country.

In his first Oval Office signing ceremony, Obama was surrounded by retired senior military leaders. He described them as outstanding Americans who have defended the country — and its ideals.


I thought this place was a BAD idea from the start and was against the illegal and immoral tactics used so THANK YOU President Obama for having the balls to stand up and do something about it!

Post a link and abide by this board's copyright policy or this is gone.

 

[rcajun90]

Also Fidel is hinting what it will take to restore diplomatic relations with Cuba. He has long demanded Guntanamo back. The good news is it seems Fidel is about done.
Castro says he doubts he'll be lucid in 4 years - Yahoo! News

I wonder if Obama will go for it.

 

[DiveCon]

He admitted to torturing prisoners , he lied repetedly about US intel, he conspired with energy corporation heads to screw this country just to name a few.

in other words, you got NOTHING

 

[DiveCon]

I know you cant see it but the rest of the world realizes the man just admitted to a war crime.

no, he didnt you fucking moron

 

[DiveCon]

I cant help it , I hate traitors to my country.

why do you hate yourself?

 

[Red Dawn]

TORTURE:
2. Obama signed another executive order stopping what is referred to as "harsh" interrogation tactics of terrorists? What does this mean? No more waterboarding, no more sleep deprivation, no more reading of Harry Potter books in English to prisoners? I think this is a bad idea.

So, you're in favor of waterboarding. I'm not surprised!

Obviously the master mind of 9/11 was waterboarded & according to Dick Chenney they were able to interrupt other terrorists attacks, other terrorist were caught, etc. etc.

"According to Dick Cheney" has to be one of the funniest sayings in the english language.

Are you the last person on earth, other than sean hannity, that believes a fucking thing dick cheney says? Mr. "Its been confirmed that Atta met with Iraqi Intelligence"? Mr. "We know for a fact Iraq has reconstituted nuclear weapons"?

 

[Lycurgus]

Red Dawn, are you so naive to believe that harsh tactics have not been used for years from administration to administration? In turn water boarding is rather mild compared to many tactics. No, I am not offering justification, only stating fact. You guys act like Cheney is some kind of new age special monster. It's almost comical the hoopla going on about this, when compared to reality and history.

 

[user_name_guest]

I wonder what is more harsher: Water boarding or beheading. From what i seen the last year, according to some posters: water boarding.

Why? It's soo harsh. You don't come out alive. Really?

 

[oreo]

Becuase its a huge legal mess.

BTW the year this is a time table for when it HAS to be finished.

It may not take that long.

also you are aware that many have already been deemed not to be terrorists and released right?

Yes, which means the 200 or so left at GITMO are the hard line terrorists that are considered extremely dangerous.

 

[oreo]

Life Long Dem - Should the prisoners in Gitmo be given citizen status here in the states? Where should they go?

Thanks.

Ha.Ha.--I guess that's O.K. if they only sign an agreement to register as democrats & only vote democrats, & oh by the way when they feel like killing some of us, they have to go after only democrats--Ha.Ha.

 

[oreo]

who gathered the evidence? doyathink?

I don't think CSI operates in battlefields as yet.

 

[oreo]

Waterboarding Historically Controversial - washingtonpost.com


We have exicuted people for waterboarding prisoners

Do you remember 9/11? We actually had in custody 2 weeks prior to the attack one of the 9/11 terrorists. If harsher interrogation tactics been used against him, we might have saved 3000 American lives & stopped 2 wars from happening.

This same exact senario could happen to Obama. If he doesn't use harsh investigation tactics & innocents die, so does his Presidency.

 

[oreo]

So, you're in favor of waterboarding. I'm not surprised!






"According to Dick Cheney" has to be one of the funniest sayings in the english language.

Are you the last person on earth, other than sean hannity, that believes a fucking thing dick cheney says? Mr. "Its been confirmed that Atta met with Iraqi Intelligence"? Mr. "We know for a fact Iraq has reconstituted nuclear weapons"?

It is a fact, that by waterboarding the master mind of the 9/11 attacks we stopped others from happening plus rounded up a lot of high value Al Queda members.

I imagine you're also against the Patriot Act? Which stopped an Oklahoma style bombing in down town Toronto.

Let see another one 10 American airliners traveling from Europe to the U.S. was stopped--& I am certain many, many more that I probably won't live long enough to hear about.

Now imagine--if we would have waterboarded the 9/11 terrorist that we had in custody, 2 weeks prior to the 9/11 attack. We might have been able to save 3000 American lives, plus stop two wars.

You bet, I am in favor of waterboarding.