Obama should declare himself willing to allow damage to the economy.

[koshergrl]

Seriously.

" Mr. Obama should hang tough, declaring himself willing, if necessary, to hold his ground even at the cost of letting his opponents inflict damage on a still-shaky economy. And this is definitely no time to negotiate a “grand bargain” on the budget that snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
In saying this, I don’t mean to minimize the very real economic dangers posed by the so-called fiscal cliff that is looming at the end of this year if the two parties can’t reach a deal. Both the Bush-era tax cuts and the Obama administration’s payroll tax cut are set to expire, even as automatic spending cuts in defense and elsewhere kick in thanks to the deal struck after the 2011 confrontation over the debt ceiling. And the looming combination of tax increases and spending cuts looks easily large enough to push America back into recession.
Nobody wants to see that happen. Yet it may happen all the same, and Mr. Obama has to be willing to let it happen if necessary. "

And this is the way progressivism works. Punish the people, take what you want, let them suffer or even die.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/opinion/krugman-lets-not-make-a-deal.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do you want to keep running the current deficits, for the sake of keeping people employed?

 

[SniperFire]

Looks like fiscal cliff time.

Works for me!

 

[Leweman]

Hasn't he done that the last four years?

 

[konradv]

" Mr. Obama should hang tough, declaring himself willing, if necessary, to hold his ground even at the cost of letting his opponents inflict damage on a still-shaky economy. And this is definitely no time to negotiate a “grand bargain” on the budget that snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
In saying this, I don’t mean to minimize the very real economic dangers posed by the so-called fiscal cliff that is looming at the end of this year if the two parties can’t reach a deal. Both the Bush-era tax cuts and the Obama administration’s payroll tax cut are set to expire, even as automatic spending cuts in defense and elsewhere kick in thanks to the deal struck after the 2011 confrontation over the debt ceiling. And the looming combination of tax increases and spending cuts looks easily large enough to push America back into recession.
Nobody wants to see that happen. Yet it may happen all the same, and Mr. Obama has to be willing to let it happen if necessary. "

And this is the way progressivism works. Punish the people, take what you want, let them suffer or even die.
Let?s Not Make a Deal - NYTimes.com&

Isn't that what Boehner's doing? Let the Republicans commit political suicide. They seem to be taking a page out of the Japanese samurai ethic, when you lose you finish the job by finishing yourself off. I'd be happy to lend them the knife.

 

[koshergrl]

Of course, it has always been his stance that it's okay to hurt Americans in order to establish socialism, negative eugenics and a culture of death.

He's pure dictator in that sense. But he's going to be a lot more open about it, and the left is going to be a lot more vocal in what it is, exactly, they want (suffering) from this admin.

The morons who voted this group in are going to get exactly what they thought they wanted. And they're going to find they don't want it so much.

 

[waltky]

Repubs gonna have to go back on campaign promises to work out a compromise...

GOP’s rejection of higher tax rates an obstacle to debt deal
November 8,`12 - To avoid “fiscal cliff,” House Republicans may have to break campaign promises

The new conciliatory tone among House Republican leaders this week will soon have to confront an old Washington reality: the GOP’s deep opposition to higher tax rates. As they begin bipartisan talks on a broad debt deal, White House and congressional leaders face a group of skeptical rank-and-file Republicans in the House who don’t view Tuesday’s Democratic victories as a reason to retreat on taxes. “The president may think that he’s got a mandate, but so do we. The president may have won a second term, but I won a third term,” Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) said Wednesday.

Somewhat chastened by Tuesday’s defeats in the presidential and Senate races, House Republicans said they are willing to work with President Obama on a deal that would include more tax revenue. But they continue to oppose any deal that would involve higher tax rates. At the core of the negotiations will be how to increase revenue without raising rates. Obama and Senate Democrats campaigned on reaching a debt deal that includes raising taxes on the top 2 percent of earners.

But many members of the House GOP caucus have made clear to Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) that any deal that includes higher individual tax rates would be doomed in the House, where the Republican conference returns with a slimmer but still robust majority next year. “Raising tax rates is unacceptable. And frankly, it couldn’t even pass the House,” Boehner said Wednesday in an interview on ABC’s “World News With Diane Sawyer.”

Additionally, Republicans demand that any deal — with a target of $4 trillion in savings over 10 years — include steep savings drawn from reforming all entitlements. The Democratic counteroffer is a refusal to discuss any changes to Social Security. Crafting a package that can gain congressional approval is critical to avoiding the “fiscal cliff” — $700 billion in automatic tax hikes and spending cuts set to kick in after Jan. 1. The highest hurdle to reaching such a deal may be convincing enough House Republicans, many of whom were swept into power two years ago on the tea party wave, to go along with a compromise that breaks their campaign pledges never to raise taxes.

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[Procrustes Stretched]

Did you know like Romney in the 2012 Presidential Loser Election, when America stayed Blue, the Good Ship Wingnut has taken hold of the economic argument that is a loser for them? Yep, they ran out of ammo and have now resorted to plastic mallets and water pistols.

Oh yeah, they have talking points now...taxing the Super Wealthy will not settle the debt (not that anyone actually says it will) and other imbecilic straw man arguments

four thread

 

[jillian]

someone needs to tell the nutbars that if people wanted romney's "plan", we would have voted for romney's "plan"

so maybe its time to put country before grover norquist, eh?

 

[koshergrl]

He's still our president as well, Jillian. Electing him didn't establish a dictatorship in this country. Not yet, anyway. Lefties need to remember that.

 

[lukelk]

He's still our president as well, Jillian. Electing him didn't establish a dictatorship in this country. Not yet, anyway. Lefties need to remember that.

What the fuck drugs are you on, he is not a socialist or a dictator.

 

[koshergrl]

He's still our president as well, Jillian. Electing him didn't establish a dictatorship in this country. Not yet, anyway. Lefties need to remember that.

What the fuck drugs are you on, he is not a socialist or a dictator.

You have trouble with the English language, I see.

 

[lukelk]

He's still our president as well, Jillian. Electing him didn't establish a dictatorship in this country. Not yet, anyway. Lefties need to remember that.

What the fuck drugs are you on, he is not a socialist or a dictator.

You have trouble with the English language, I see.

Once again, what the hell are you talking about? Clearly you can't even tell I am using proper English, your side got thumped in the election. I am not sure how you side is not humbled. I guess you want to double down on retarded.

 

[tyroneweaver]

time to pony up dems. You wanna play santa claus to your constituents , but the payoff is let the rich stay rich.
Use some of that failed green energy money or perhaps those advertizing dollars used in mexico to attract food stamp recipients.

 

[WillowTree]

someone needs to tell the nutbars that if people wanted romney's "plan", we would have voted for romney's "plan"

so maybe its time to put country before grover norquist, eh?

damn the torpedos and full speed ahead, let's tax those mother fucking rich people right outta the country. Ten percent unemployment is the "new norm."

 

[WillowTree]

He's still our president as well, Jillian. Electing him didn't establish a dictatorship in this country. Not yet, anyway. Lefties need to remember that.

you mean you claim him? after he declared you the enemy and said to vote for REVENGE? really dayuuuum.

 

[WillowTree]

What the fuck drugs are you on, he is not a socialist or a dictator.

You have trouble with the English language, I see.

Once again, what the hell are you talking about? Clearly you can't even tell I am using proper English, your side got thumped in the election. I am not sure how you side is not humbled. I guess you want to double down on retarded.

humbled? does that go along with R E V E N G E,, we're supposed to bow down now and kiss liberal ass? fuck that shit numb nutz

 

[koshergrl]

He's still our president as well, Jillian. Electing him didn't establish a dictatorship in this country. Not yet, anyway. Lefties need to remember that.

you mean you claim him? after he declared you the enemy and said to vote for REVENGE? really dayuuuum.

I don't mean he's my president in that I have any respect for him or intend to support him..but he's my president in that we own him..not the other way around.

 

[koshergrl]

What the fuck drugs are you on, he is not a socialist or a dictator.

You have trouble with the English language, I see.

Once again, what the hell are you talking about? Clearly you can't even tell I am using proper English, your side got thumped in the election. I am not sure how you side is not humbled. I guess you want to double down on retarded.

Another shining example of the sort of pukes who support dems.

I imagine luke has a rap sheet.

 

[Dot Com]

oh for fucks sake kg is still here? Half the rw board abandons ship, as it were, after the election by the American people yet kg stays on? Interesting