Obama Says: "Whether We Like it Or Not, We Remain a Dominant Military Superpower"

[CrusaderFrank]

None of the Kool Aid Snorters can defend this, they're out looking at the Palin Speaking Contract with CSU Stanislaus that someone left in the garbage.

LOL

 

[Richard-H]

Can anyone show me where in the U.S. Constitution it says that the U.S. has to be a empire?

Did any of they founding Fathers every say that their goal was for the U.S. to be a World Super Power?

Our stature as a world super power happened as a result of WWII - more of an accident than by design. Once we were in that position, we had to act responsibly.

However, there is no mandate for us to be the world's dominant power.

The only real justification is that if we are not a world dominant power, that means that some other country will dominate us.

The true basis for the continued insistence that we be the world's single dominant power is just the instinctual nature of the wingnuts - they like so many civilizations before that are preprogrammed to dominate - like every other sleazy empire that has every existed. The wingnuts would have us be no different than the Romans.

Questioning the need for us to be a world superpower is the only intelligent thing to do. In fact, the true tradition of America is to be isolationist, not an empire.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Can anyone show me where in the U.S. Constitution it says that the U.S. has to be a empire?

Did any of they founding Fathers every say that their goal was for the U.S. to be a World Super Power?

Our stature as a world super power happened as a result of WWII - more of an accident than by design. Once we were in that position, we had to act responsibly.

However, there is no mandate for us to be the world's dominant power.

The only real justification is that if we are not a world dominant power, that means that some other country will dominate us.

The true basis for the continued insistence that we be the world's single dominant power is just the instinctual nature of the wingnuts - they like so many civilizations before that are preprogrammed to dominate - like every other sleazy empire that has every existed. The wingnuts would have us be no different than the Romans.

Questioning the need for us to be a world superpower is the only intelligent thing to do. In fact, the true tradition of America is to be isolationist, not an empire.

The only time there was peace on the planet was when Rome ruled the world

 

[LibocalypseNow]

And the demoralization goes on under this Administration. This Administration really is beginning to remind me of the Carter Administration. We are being demoralized more & more everyday under this Administration. We now have to pay the Russians to get us into Space? No planned future manned space flights while the Chinese & Russians rapidly advance in space exploration? Yikes! How much more of this kind of "Change" can the People take?

 

[WillowTree]

Time out conservatives,, don't make me defend him.. but please string the two sentences together.. like it or not we are the biggest military force in the world and then add the rest of what he said.. he's right. I hardly don't never say he is right but I think he is this time.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Sure sounds like he's sorry about the whole thing. Good thing he is doing his darndest to reduce us to a non-dominant superpower status. Makes everything so much easier, dontachaknow?

As soon as he gives all our nukes away to Russia we will be just another eurotrash socialist shithole.

YIPPY!!!!

 

[hyakku]

Did you guys even fucking watch the video?

Are you honestly telling me you LIKE being pulled into Israel's bullshit? That you ENJOY having to intervene on Georgia's behalf? Bullshit.

You all know NOTHING about our countries foundations, nothing about the true american dream. You're stupid ass "force for good" ideas come from that dumbass Wilson, not from our founding fathers. Jefferson and many of our other founders believed we were an exceptional nation and a beacon for the rest of the world. They designed our government to NOT intervene or half to be intervened for. They didn't believe in going out and showing off our morals, to push the world where it needed to be.

The Jeffersonian model was to aggrandize our wealth and liberty domestically, and project that power to the world and allow them to adopt it. Not to force empire upon other people, that's what they wanted to escape. On top of that, once you become an empire, they knew the only place from there was down, which is why they avoided massive land grabbing campaigns and expantionist policies beyond Manifest Destiny.

It's only after this asshole Wilson had to come about that these stupid fucking ideas of a benevelont hegemony of democratic states using their morals as a force for good to make the world a better place got popular. The world isn't peaches and creams, there is no GOOD or EVIL, just the weak and the strong. If we want to maintain our great standard of living and protect our security, becoming an empire is the LAST thing we should want, nor should we want to get overstretched in other people's affairs.


It's so funny to see you conservatives defending such a stupid ideal proposed by a Democrat.

 

[WillowTree]

Did you guys even fucking watch the video?

Are you honestly telling me you LIKE being pulled into Israel's bullshit? That you ENJOY having to intervene on Georgia's behalf? Bullshit.

You all know NOTHING about our countriesI know it is "about our country's as in possessive, and that countries is for the plural of country.. that's about all I know.. see? foundations, nothing about the true american dream. You're stupid ass "force for good" ideas come from that dumbass Wilson, not from our founding fathers. Jefferson and many of our other founders believed we were an exceptional nation and a beacon for the rest of the world. They designed our government to NOT intervene or half to be intervened for. They didn't believe in going out and showing off our morals, to push the world where it needed to be.

The Jeffersonian model was to aggrandize our wealth and liberty domestically, and project that power to the world and allow them to adopt it. Not to force empire upon other people, that's what they wanted to escape. On top of that, once you become an empire, they knew the only place from there was down, which is why they avoided massive land grabbing campaigns and expantionist policies beyond Manifest Destiny.

It's only after this asshole Wilson had to come about that these stupid fucking ideas of a benevelont hegemony of democratic states using their morals as a force for good to make the world a better place got popular. The world isn't peaches and creams, there is no GOOD or EVIL, just the weak and the strong. If we want to maintain our great standard of living and protect our security, becoming an empire is the LAST thing we should want, nor should we want to get overstretched in other people's affairs.


It's so funny to see you conservatives defending such a stupid ideal proposed by a Democrat.

 

[hyakku]

Did you guys even fucking watch the video?

Are you honestly telling me you LIKE being pulled into Israel's bullshit? That you ENJOY having to intervene on Georgia's behalf? Bullshit.

You all know NOTHING about our countriesI know it is "about our country's as in possessive, and that countries is for the plural of country.. that's about all I know.. see? foundations, nothing about the true american dream. You're stupid ass "force for good" ideas come from that dumbass Wilson, not from our founding fathers. Jefferson and many of our other founders believed we were an exceptional nation and a beacon for the rest of the world. They designed our government to NOT intervene or half to be intervened for. They didn't believe in going out and showing off our morals, to push the world where it needed to be.

The Jeffersonian model was to aggrandize our wealth and liberty domestically, and project that power to the world and allow them to adopt it. Not to force empire upon other people, that's what they wanted to escape. On top of that, once you become an empire, they knew the only place from there was down, which is why they avoided massive land grabbing campaigns and expantionist policies beyond Manifest Destiny.

It's only after this asshole Wilson had to come about that these stupid fucking ideas of a benevelont hegemony of democratic states using their morals as a force for good to make the world a better place got popular. The world isn't peaches and creams, there is no GOOD or EVIL, just the weak and the strong. If we want to maintain our great standard of living and protect our security, becoming an empire is the LAST thing we should want, nor should we want to get overstretched in other people's affairs.


It's so funny to see you conservatives defending such a stupid ideal proposed by a Democrat.

Eh, grammar nazi's be grammar nazi's . Long diatribes full of seething rage should be typo free, but its better to leave them in. That way when the asshat that can't respond with anything reads it, he'll feel like he won by pointing out the grammar flaws.

 

[bucs90]

From January 2009 until about August 2009 this clown we have as a president shocked and suprised me week after week with his actions and statements.

Now.....he does not. He's been exposed. He is a radical far left college professor, with ABSOLUTELY no experience governing or running a business, FAR less experienced than even Sarah Palin was, who was voted in by morons. By sophomoric liberal morons who were mystified at his speeches.

I can't wrap my mind around this concept: A leader who does NOT want to be a military superpower.

If you took a poll of 300 random presidents, dictators, czars, kings or warlords of any nation, current or former, in the world and asked : "Would you like your military to become more powerful" I would bet it would be a 100% to 0% "Yes" response. Well, make it a 99.9% Yes, and a 0.1% "NO" coming from Obama.

 

[WillowTree]

Did you guys even fucking watch the video?

Are you honestly telling me you LIKE being pulled into Israel's bullshit? That you ENJOY having to intervene on Georgia's behalf? Bullshit.

You all know NOTHING about our countriesI know it is "about our country's as in possessive, and that countries is for the plural of country.. that's about all I know.. see? foundations, nothing about the true american dream. You're stupid ass "force for good" ideas come from that dumbass Wilson, not from our founding fathers. Jefferson and many of our other founders believed we were an exceptional nation and a beacon for the rest of the world. They designed our government to NOT intervene or half to be intervened for. They didn't believe in going out and showing off our morals, to push the world where it needed to be.

The Jeffersonian model was to aggrandize our wealth and liberty domestically, and project that power to the world and allow them to adopt it. Not to force empire upon other people, that's what they wanted to escape. On top of that, once you become an empire, they knew the only place from there was down, which is why they avoided massive land grabbing campaigns and expantionist policies beyond Manifest Destiny.

It's only after this asshole Wilson had to come about that these stupid fucking ideas of a benevelont hegemony of democratic states using their morals as a force for good to make the world a better place got popular. The world isn't peaches and creams, there is no GOOD or EVIL, just the weak and the strong. If we want to maintain our great standard of living and protect our security, becoming an empire is the LAST thing we should want, nor should we want to get overstretched in other people's affairs.


It's so funny to see you conservatives defending such a stupid ideal proposed by a Democrat.

Eh, grammar nazi's be grammar nazi's . Long diatribes full of seething rage should be typo free, but its better to leave them in. That way when the asshat that can't respond with anything reads it, he'll feel like he won by pointing out the grammar flaws.

seems like one who knows sooooooooooooooooo much would know the simple things hey?? the basics??? like the difference in our country's and other countries.. but that's about all I know.

 

[bucs90]

Can anyone show me where in the U.S. Constitution it says that the U.S. has to be a empire?

Did any of they founding Fathers every say that their goal was for the U.S. to be a World Super Power?

Our stature as a world super power happened as a result of WWII - more of an accident than by design. Once we were in that position, we had to act responsibly.

However, there is no mandate for us to be the world's dominant power.

The only real justification is that if we are not a world dominant power, that means that some other country will dominate us.

The true basis for the continued insistence that we be the world's single dominant power is just the instinctual nature of the wingnuts - they like so many civilizations before that are preprogrammed to dominate - like every other sleazy empire that has every existed. The wingnuts would have us be no different than the Romans.

Questioning the need for us to be a world superpower is the only intelligent thing to do. In fact, the true tradition of America is to be isolationist, not an empire.

We dont have to be, but we became one because of the greatness of this country. We were so successful, that we blossomed into the most powerful nation the world has ever known. Along with that, of course, comes a big ass bulls-eye. Just like in sports. We are the Yankees of baseball, in a global political analogy. People are going to hate us just for being richer, better fed, happier, ect. Along with our success comes military power. And that military power often must fend off evil. Evil against us, but also evil against allies.....because allowing evil to spread and conquer allies will like cancer eventually get to us.

 

[bodecea]

OK, I fail to see a problem with what he said. Seriously.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

From January 2009 until about August 2009 this clown we have as a president shocked and suprised me week after week with his actions and statements.

Uh... to which clown are you referring? The Brown Clown, perhaps?

He's not shocked me... He's doing precisely what one should expect from a clown of the Marxist Muslim variety. Right down the middle...

 

[xotoxi]

From January 2009 until about August 2009 this clown we have as a president shocked and suprised me week after week with his actions and statements.

Uh... to which clown are you referring? The Brown Clown, perhaps?

He's not shocked me... He's doing precisely what one should expect from a clown of the Marxist Muslim variety. Right down the middle...

PI...still being a twat?

 

[xsited1]

OK, I fail to see a problem with what he said. Seriously.

 

[hyakku]

Can anyone show me where in the U.S. Constitution it says that the U.S. has to be a empire?

Did any of they founding Fathers every say that their goal was for the U.S. to be a World Super Power?

Our stature as a world super power happened as a result of WWII - more of an accident than by design. Once we were in that position, we had to act responsibly.

However, there is no mandate for us to be the world's dominant power.

The only real justification is that if we are not a world dominant power, that means that some other country will dominate us.

The true basis for the continued insistence that we be the world's single dominant power is just the instinctual nature of the wingnuts - they like so many civilizations before that are preprogrammed to dominate - like every other sleazy empire that has every existed. The wingnuts would have us be no different than the Romans.

Questioning the need for us to be a world superpower is the only intelligent thing to do. In fact, the true tradition of America is to be isolationist, not an empire.

We dont have to be, but we became one because of the greatness of this country. We were so successful, that we blossomed into the most powerful nation the world has ever known. Along with that, of course, comes a big ass bulls-eye. Just like in sports. We are the Yankees of baseball, in a global political analogy. People are going to hate us just for being richer, better fed, happier, ect. Along with our success comes military power. And that military power often must fend off evil. Evil against us, but also evil against allies.....because allowing evil to spread and conquer allies will like cancer eventually get to us.

No, no, no. Good god where are you people getting this idea from? A country isn't inherently "great", "good", or "evil". Get this out of your head. Just like the team the Yankees isn't "great", "good" or "evil", its the human agency that instills these arbitrary, constructed moral ideas. The PLAYERS for the yankees are what make the yankees amazing, not their name or because they make more money.

You have it completely backwards. People don't hate us for being richer, or better fed. Why do you think they call it the AMERICAN dream, not the European Dream, or the Russian dream. Everyone aspires to acquire a high standard of living. Our success didn't bring us military power, our military helped bring us success.

And once again, there is no fucking "evil" out there. There are threats to national security that will always be prevalent and hence we need to always look out for OUR interests, not our allies, or anyone else, because we aren't "friends", they aren't "good", the enemy isn't "evil". It's about power, about who is strong, and who is weak.

Hard power (military and economic) is no longer the only or best type of power to be exercised in every situation. Soft power is increasingly becoming important, and that means forging stronger multilateral ties in issues where there are convergence, asserting our national interests where there interests diverge from ours, and finally, shaping these insitutions and their norms so that America continues to shape the international order.

It's become quite obvious to all but the most foolish of observers that a wanton, unilateral use of hard power is no longer as effective as it once was, hence a need to foster our soft power once more.

He's not saying he wants the military to grow weak, what he's saying is that we will always be a target because of our strong military. That is all.

 

[rightwinger]

Whether We Like it Or Not, We Remain a Dominant Military Superpower"

now for the rest of the quote...

and when conflicts break out, we get pulled into them



So the whether we like it or not refers to our being pulled into global conflicts because of our superpower status

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Whether We Like it Or Not, We Remain a Dominant Military Superpower"

now for the rest of the quote...

and when conflicts break out, we get pulled into them

So the whether we like it or not refers to our being pulled into global conflicts because of our superpower status

I like having sex with small children and farm animals and when conflicts break out, we get pulled into them...

yeah, I don't see any problem once you add the modifier...outstanding work as usual Ricki Retardo

 

[hyakku]

Whether We Like it Or Not, We Remain a Dominant Military Superpower"

now for the rest of the quote...

and when conflicts break out, we get pulled into them

So the whether we like it or not refers to our being pulled into global conflicts because of our superpower status

I like having sex with small children and farm animals and when conflicts break out, we get pulled into them...

yeah, I don't see any problem once you add the modifier...outstanding work as usual Ricki Retardo

What the fuck? Come on that was the most fucking ridiculous fallacy i've ever seen.

I think this thread's about run its course when Obama is making people crazy enough to admit their strange (and highly illegal) fetishes on the internet .