Obama says al Qaeda still greatest threat to U.S.

[nodoginnafight]

IMHO- Al Qaeda has been rendered impotent

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Though I don't agree that Bush effectively condemned thousands of people to die just so his friends could turn a profit. If he did, he will answer for it eventually.

I sure hope so. All indications that I have come across so far point to this being the case, sadly. And actually, I think it was more Cheney who was behind it. Bush was just a puppet.

 

[tigerbob]

Though I don't agree that Bush effectively condemned thousands of people to die just so his friends could turn a profit. If he did, he will answer for it eventually.

I sure hope so. All indications that I have come across so far point to this being the case, sadly. And actually, I think it was more Cheney who was behind it. Bush was just a puppet.

Irrespective of indications, I'd have a hard time believing that Bush (or indeed Cheney) was capably of something like that.

An idiot? Certainly. A monster? No.

 

[Annie]

Al Qaida was being trained in Iraq.

Please provide ANY evidence to back up your claim.

Thank You

Considering how the 'dithering' is now justified with Afghanistan, since little is known about enemies, this seems pretty on target to that time and place, NOTE Prior to invasion, it wasn't JUST WMD:

CNN.com - Rice: Iraq trained al Qaeda in chemical weapons - Sep. 25, 2002

WASHINGTON (CNN) --President Bush's national security adviser Wednesday said Saddam Hussein has sheltered al Qaeda terrorists in Baghdad and helped train some in chemical weapons development -- information she said has been gleaned from captives in the ongoing war on terrorism.

The comments by Condoleezza Rice were the strongest and most specific to date on the White House's accusations linking al Qaeda and Iraq.

The accusations followed those made by President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who earlier in the day said the United States has evidence linking Iraq and al Qaeda, but they did not elaborate. And the charges came as the White House sought to dispel accusations by Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, who blasted the administration for an "outrageous" effort to seek political gain from the Iraq debate.

Meanwhile, President Bush will meet with House Democrats and Republicans this morning at the White House to specifically discuss Iraq. Bush is expected to speak in the Rose Garden immediately following the meeting.

In an interview with PBS' "The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer," Rice said the U.S. government clearly knows "that there were in the past and have been contacts between senior Iraqi officials and members of al Qaeda going back for actually quite a long time."

"We know too that several of the detainees, in particular some high-ranking detainees, have said that Iraq provided some training to al Qaeda in chemical weapons development," Rice said.

"So, yes, there are contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. We know that Saddam Hussein has a long history with terrorism in general. And there are some al Qaeda personnel who found refuge in Baghdad," she said. "There clearly are contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq that can be documented."

At the same time, she cautioned that "no one is trying to make an argument at this point that Saddam Hussein somehow had operational control of what happened on September 11th, so we don't want to push this too far."...

 

[Sunni Man]

Annie, anyone who knows anything about the middle east, knew that Rice and others in the Bush administration were lying.

Heck, even I at the time was aware that Saddam and Osama hated each other.

To say that they were working together was basically stupid.

Surely, people in our government was aware of the real situation.

Rice has a Ph,D in political science. Of course she knew she was lying.

 

[CurveLight]

I am so grateful that we finally have a President that who puts America's interests first and cares about our country.

Yes, I agree. I think Bush had his own agenda concerning the Iraq invasion. That was wrong on so many levels.

Then you must be really proud of obama for ending our occupation in iraq and bringing all of our Troops home.

Oh shit......I gotta lay off the cabernet.

Obushama's a fucking sell out. How long will he be allowed to continue the neocon policies before those against bush start hitting him with the same level and frequency of criticisms?

 

[CurveLight]

Al Qaida was being trained in Iraq. Iraq was a valid target.

The war was fought under too much political correctness. That was bush's mistake.

No there was no alkida in iraq. You may remember mccain saying to obama "alkida is in iraq...they're called alkida in iraq." A lot of fucking morons ate that shit up. What they did not know is AIR was a propaganda term invented by the bush admin. The group they called AIR was mostly iraqis fighting the occupation....they counted on the msm to help them spread that bullshit and it was obviously a safe bet!

 

[Annie]

Annie, anyone who knows anything about the middle east, knew that Rice and others in the Bush administration were lying.

Heck, even I at the time was aware that Saddam and Osama hated each other.

To say that they were working together was basically stupid.

Surely, people in our government was aware of the real situation.

Rice has a Ph,D in political science. Of course she knew she was lying.

"The enemy of my enemy..." fits in nearly all philosophies. While Saddam's may have been based on sadism, not Obama's.

 

[CurveLight]

In hindsight Iraq was a mistake.

As I recall, every intelligence agency not only our CIA believed this guy had WMD's. Could we have taken the chance that it was so?? This guy gassed 5,000 Kurds with WMD's and killed thousands of his own people in every way you can imagine. He was NO great loss to anyones society. Was it worth the price we payed in the blood of our young men?? I think history will answer that one. I sure can't.

Then I guess you never heard of Tyler Drumheller. He was a CIA Bureau Chief in Europe who went to the white house in August of 02' Iraq did not have wmd and their informant Curveball was a fucking drunk oaf passing bad info. In october of 02' Rumsfeld held a meeting listing the things that could go wrong in iraq. Number 13 was not finding wmd. Do you know there was such a lack of confidence in finding them that Generals actually fought over not being given the job of finding the wmd?

Here's a touch of common sense. We know the bush admin knew wmd were not there by how many Troops were put on the ground. If Saddam had wmd and whacked 10,000 in a few weeks what do you think the response would have been from the US public? "If you knew he had them why did you put our Troops in line for a slaughter!"

(decontamination in MOPP Level 4 in 110 degree temps don't make a good combination.)

 

[txlonghorn]

I think Bush was right to invade Iraq.

Why? I'm very curious to hear why you think so. I believe it is one of the biggest mistakes that this country has ever made, and we've made lots of 'em. It was a travesty. I truly believe that this war was initiated for the monetary benefit of buscho's cronies in the private security biz at the expense of tax payers, and for no other reason. None of their "reasons" for it add up, and I do believe that they cooked intelligence. If I'm right, I do hope that one day they are made to pay for what they did to this country.

Well, sir, if you are right...and I don't think you are...then Mr. Bush, Mr. Chenney, and EVERY member of congress who voted for it, have a LOT of explaining to do.

You see, the problem with your request for an explaination is moot. No matter what reason is given, you're not going to change your stance. Or you would have done so long ago when all the good reasons were given. There were plenty of reasons offered that many very objective people were willing to go along with. But if removing a ruthless murderous tyrant from power isn't enough, then that's on your own conscience. Not anyone elses. I'm sure that you would agree, well maybe not publicly, that the logic behind a get rich quick scheme as a reason for the US to go and invade another country is kinda dumb. If it were that easy to plan, it would have been that easy to see prior to any declaration.

 

[txlonghorn]

Though I don't agree that Bush effectively condemned thousands of people to die just so his friends could turn a profit. If he did, he will answer for it eventually.

I sure hope so. All indications that I have come across so far point to this being the case, sadly. And actually, I think it was more Cheney who was behind it. Bush was just a puppet.

yawn...can you put some solid NON biased proof on the table that has NOT resulted in war crimes against the Bush and company?

 

[Mr. Peepers]

You see, the problem with your request for an explaination is moot. No matter what reason is given, you're not going to change your stance. Or you would have done so long ago when all the good reasons were given. There were plenty of reasons offered that many very objective people were willing to go along with. But if removing a ruthless murderous tyrant from power isn't enough, then that's on your own conscience. Not anyone elses. I'm sure that you would agree, well maybe not publicly, that the logic behind a get rich quick scheme as a reason for the US to go and invade another country is kinda dumb. If it were that easy to plan, it would have been that easy to see prior to any declaration.

Money can easily turn people into monsters. Think about it... Iran is a threat. North Korea is a threat - much more so than pathetic Iraq ever was. Why didn't they go after them? Why didn't they just stay in Afghanistan and focus on the a-hoies responsible? Could it be that Iraq's army is a joke and they knew they couldn't feasibly fight back? Boy were they wrong. Did you know that none of the contractors hired local Iraqis but imported their workers? Why do you think that is? Look at the war profiteering that took place. Almost EVERY aspect of our military was contracted out for this clusterfuck, and this cost us probably hundreds of thousands, if not billions of dollars more than if should. Not to mention the 9 billion that was "lost". Look at the profit sheets and how many "security" corporations popped up. You should read "The Shock Doctrine". Very interesting reading based on pure fact.

I absolutely believe it was cooked up by the Bush administration for profit.

 

[rdean]

Republicans are by far the greatest threat to this country. They already talk about seceding from the Union. They talk about a military take over.

By far, Republicans are the US's greatest danger and worst enemy.

 

[CurveLight]

I think Bush was right to invade Iraq.

Why? I'm very curious to hear why you think so. I believe it is one of the biggest mistakes that this country has ever made, and we've made lots of 'em. It was a travesty. I truly believe that this war was initiated for the monetary benefit of buscho's cronies in the private security biz at the expense of tax payers, and for no other reason. None of their "reasons" for it add up, and I do believe that they cooked intelligence. If I'm right, I do hope that one day they are made to pay for what they did to this country.

Well, sir, if you are right...and I don't think you are...then Mr. Bush, Mr. Chenney, and EVERY member of congress who voted for it, have a LOT of explaining to do.

You see, the problem with your request for an explaination is moot. No matter what reason is given, you're not going to change your stance. Or you would have done so long ago when all the good reasons were given. There were plenty of reasons offered that many very objective people were willing to go along with. But if removing a ruthless murderous tyrant from power isn't enough, then that's on your own conscience. Not anyone elses. I'm sure that you would agree, well maybe not publicly, that the logic behind a get rich quick scheme as a reason for the US to go and invade another country is kinda dumb. If it were that easy to plan, it would have been that easy to see prior to any declaration.

Holy shit dude. *They did publicly declare they wanted to invade iraq and install permanent military bases. They also said it didn't matter if Saddam was in charge or not. They also said wmd was a good current excuse. Aka...we can scare the shit out of the american people if we chant wmd wmd wmd wmd wmd enough they will believe it. They made this public declaration over 9 years ago. Where in the hell have you been? Have you ever heard of the internet? (it's not there just for porn and chocolate.)

Cheney, rumsfeld, perle.......you know....a few guys with fringe government jobs surrounding the Executive Branch with some slight outside chance at access to control our military.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON THAT PEOPLE LIVE ON THE MSM AND NOTHING ELSE?

 

[CurveLight]

Republicans are by far the greatest threat to this country. They already talk about seceding from the Union. They talk about a military take over.

By far, Republicans are the US's greatest danger and worst enemy.

I'm a Republican. What do you see in my posts that justifies your ridiculous broad brushing?

 

[CurveLight]

Though I don't agree that Bush effectively condemned thousands of people to die just so his friends could turn a profit. If he did, he will answer for it eventually.

I sure hope so. All indications that I have come across so far point to this being the case, sadly. And actually, I think it was more Cheney who was behind it. Bush was just a puppet.

yawn...can you put some solid NON biased proof on the table that has NOT resulted in war crimes against the Bush and company?

Bush himself is fucking clueless and that is why Cheney ostensibly took the reigns on 9E and never gave them back. As for your call of non-biased.....well....we got Perle admitting the iraq invasion was illegal. We have him and some good buddies saying with their own pens they wanted into invade iraq. How the hell else can you get less bias info than from the horse's mouth? Or do all you neocon freaks simply pretend to ask for non biased info?

 

[Annie]

Republicans are by far the greatest threat to this country. They already talk about seceding from the Union. They talk about a military take over.

By far, Republicans are the US's greatest danger and worst enemy.

I'm a Republican. What do you see in my posts that justifies your ridiculous broad brushing?

Right. Tool.

 

[CurveLight]

Republicans are by far the greatest threat to this country. They already talk about seceding from the Union. They talk about a military take over.

By far, Republicans are the US's greatest danger and worst enemy.

I'm a Republican. What do you see in my posts that justifies your ridiculous broad brushing?

Right. Tool.

Amazing! Were you thinking of The Pot by them too? Lol. Hacks like you use childish names because it's all you have available. I don't think you could explain what makes someone a Republican without a google search and contradicting yourself repeatedly. Get your fat ass on a treadmill because you are not exercising anything here but an ego more stale than rosanne barr's 1983 toe jam.

 

[logical4u]

The move to go into Iraq was strategy, it might have been a mistake, but there were good reasons:
two highly populated areas were attacked 9/11
our nation is not designed with walled cities or houses, we are very vulnerable to attacks on our soil
by taking the fight to Iraq, it was 'removed' from our streets and towns
by puting the fight in Iraq, a message was given to terrorists: defend your own turf first
Defending Iraq from 'infidels' kept terrorists out of our country and in a country that helped grow them
It makes it harder for terrorists to recruit when the cannot defend 'home turf'
If our troops pull out of Iraq and Afganistan before the war is won, we will be right back to having terrorists concentrating attacks on our soil. It is a tough call for a president that thought all there was to the job was looking good.

 

[Sunni Man]

The move to go into Iraq was strategy, it might have been a mistake, but there were good reasons:
two highly populated areas were attacked 9/11
our nation is not designed with walled cities or houses, we are very vulnerable to attacks on our soil
by taking the fight to Iraq, it was 'removed' from our streets and towns
by puting the fight in Iraq, a message was given to terrorists: defend your own turf first
Defending Iraq from 'infidels' kept terrorists out of our country and in a country that helped grow them
It makes it harder for terrorists to recruit when the cannot defend 'home turf'
If our troops pull out of Iraq and Afganistan before the war is won, we will be right back to having terrorists concentrating attacks on our soil. It is a tough call for a president that thought all there was to the job was looking good.

This post gets my nomination for one of the dumbest ever on this board.