Obama Pulled Quite a Few Clearances, and No Liberals Whined Then, Why Now?

[EverCurious]

Brennan has destroyed his credibility with me as a reasonable, rational, and fair person - he /intentionally/ undermined the US on the global stage because of his personal partisan beliefs. Damn straight he's got my wrath.

What he said was not "mere criticizing" of the President, you folks know it, and I know it, even the fucking media knows it.

If you kids want to intentionally play stupid on that reality, have at you.

 

[iceberg]

Are you trying to say that is not the same as pulling a clearance for political payback?

that's 9 people who all did something so horrible they lost their clearance. are you trying to say NONE of this was political payback?

obama loved to smear his detractors.

Actually- I didn't say that any of those lost their security clearances- I was addressing the lie that there was some sort of purge of the military under President Obama.

Each of the officers has information listed- you have any evidence that President Obama ordered any of those actions for political payback?

See you seem to be confused. Don the Con clearly pulled the security clearance from Brennan purely for political payback- there is no evidence that any of these were because of political payback.

Finally- you saying that President Obama 'loved to smear his detractors'?
Are you saying that Obama used to go on Twitter and make up names about his attackers and make up facts about them like Don the Con does?

I can remember no President in my lifespan- including Richard Nixon- who has had such a record of vilifying any and all who dare criticize him- as Don the Con does.

Trump is thin skinned and very, very vindictive. Clearly part of the reason the far right admire him so much.

Did you miss the part where fucking Brennan went on global news and said the sitting president of the US was traitorous? I seriously doubt that you can find a clearer case of lack of good fucking judgement here. Even the fucking media who despises Trump knows the guy crossed the line...

you can't have people with that clearance running around saying shit like that.
.

Of course Trump can't have anyone with that kind of clearance criticizing him.

Trump has made that very clear.

obama couldn't either.

precedence set.

 

[iceberg]

The inconsistency of liberals in their hatred of Trump is very revealing.

'Obama's Favorite General' Stripped Of Security Clearance Amid Leak Investigation

Gordon Lubold of FP reports that multiple current and former administration sources said Cartwright lost his clearance earlier this year. That delivers a big blow to the retired officer once regarded as Obama's 'favorite general,' who left the military and now serves in other military-related roles at the Center of Strategic and International Studies, Raytheon, and as a defense consultant for ABC News.
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Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Investor's Business Daily

Yet what has happened to our officer corps since President Obama took office is viewed in many quarters as unprecedented, baffling and even harmful to our national security posture. We have commented on some of the higher profile cases, such as Gen. Carter Ham. He was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command after only a year and a half because he disagreed with orders not to mount a rescue mission in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi.


Rear Adm. Chuck Gaouette, commander of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, was relieved in October 2012 for disobeying orders when he sent his group on Sept. 11 to "assist and provide intelligence for" military forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham.


Other removals include the sacking of two nuclear commanders in a single week — Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, head of the 20th Air Force, responsible for the three wings that maintain control of the 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles, and Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, the No. 2 officer at U.S. Strategic Command.​

Skeptoid: Did President Obama Really Purge the Military?

Major General Michael Carey — As commander of the US land-based nuclear missile program, Carey was responsible for three units of ICBMs. He was relieved in October 2013 for his conduct on a July trip to Moscow, where he went on what news reports called a "drunken bender," fraternized with local women and made inappropriate comments disparaging the Russian military. As a result, he was reassigned and made Special Assistant to the Commander of Air Force Space Command in Colorado.

Vice Admiral Tim Giardina — Giardina served as chief of staff of the US Pacific Fleet and was the number 2 officer of US Strategic Command (StratCom) until being relieved of duty in September 2013, following an investigation into his use of fake casino chips in a poker game. This is a class D felony in Iowa, where StratCom is located. He was already due to leave StratCom, and his bio currently lists him as "assigned to the staff of the vice chief of naval operations."

Lieutenant General David Holmes Huntoon, Jr. — Huntoon was serving as the Superintendent of the United States Military Academy in West Point until June 2013, when a report of an Inspector General's office investigation was released, which found that he had misused his position and forced subordinate officers to perform personal tasks. Huntoon was given a letter of reprimand, allowed to resign from his post and took his mandatory retirement the next month.

Major General C.M.M. Gurganus — This was one of two generals asked to retire early by the Commandant of the Marine Corps after a September 2012 Taliban surprise attack on a Marine airbase. Gurganus was found to have "not taken adequate force protection measures" at Camp Bastion, which led to the death of two Marines and the destruction of six Harrier jet fighters.

Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant — Sturdevant was the other general asked to retire in the wake of the Camp Bastion attack.

Brigadier General Bryan Roberts — The former commanding officer of Fort Jackson, the largest training post in the US Army, Roberts was suspended in May 2013 after an investigation into adultery and a physical altercation with a woman described as his mistress. Adultery in the military is punishable as an action that can bring discredit upon the armed forces.

Major General Ralph Baker — Baker was removed from his post as commanding officer of Combined Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa, as well as fined, after an administrative hearing into alcohol abuse and sexual misconduct charges in April 2013.

Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette — Gaouette held the position of commanding officer of Carrier Strike Group Three until a reprimand from the US Navy led to his removal. He was found to have used profanity in public and made several racially insensitive remarks. The origin of the complaint might have come from the captain of the aircraft carrier assigned to the Strike Group, who alleged Gaouette had humiliated him in public.

General Carter F. Ham — The commander of US Command Africa, Ham retired in the wake of the September 2011 attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Though the attack itself generated enormous controversy and blame on the Obama administration, Ham himself was never reprimanded and served the entirety of his two-year posting in Africa, retiring as scheduled at age 62, after a 40 year career.

yea ive seen obama smear reporters also who didnt praise him.

zero trust in any of this.

LOL feel free to name them- I will gladly compare Don the Con's smearing of reporters to anything Obama did.

Because Trump despises any reporters who don't suck up to him like Hannity does and loves to smear reporters.

not even gonna play this game with you. you're NOT going to be honest about it and you're NOT going to come at it with an open mind. i may as well be talking to the Obama PR President.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You do understand that the problem the left has is not that the clearance was pulled but WHY, right?

No, I think I understand it better than that, it is not WHY but WHO pulled the clearances.

 

[rightwinger]

The inconsistency of liberals in their hatred of Trump is very revealing.

'Obama's Favorite General' Stripped Of Security Clearance Amid Leak Investigation

Gordon Lubold of FP reports that multiple current and former administration sources said Cartwright lost his clearance earlier this year. That delivers a big blow to the retired officer once regarded as Obama's 'favorite general,' who left the military and now serves in other military-related roles at the Center of Strategic and International Studies, Raytheon, and as a defense consultant for ABC News.
​

Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Investor's Business Daily

Yet what has happened to our officer corps since President Obama took office is viewed in many quarters as unprecedented, baffling and even harmful to our national security posture. We have commented on some of the higher profile cases, such as Gen. Carter Ham. He was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command after only a year and a half because he disagreed with orders not to mount a rescue mission in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi.


Rear Adm. Chuck Gaouette, commander of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, was relieved in October 2012 for disobeying orders when he sent his group on Sept. 11 to "assist and provide intelligence for" military forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham.


Other removals include the sacking of two nuclear commanders in a single week — Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, head of the 20th Air Force, responsible for the three wings that maintain control of the 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles, and Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, the No. 2 officer at U.S. Strategic Command.​

Skeptoid: Did President Obama Really Purge the Military?

Major General Michael Carey — As commander of the US land-based nuclear missile program, Carey was responsible for three units of ICBMs. He was relieved in October 2013 for his conduct on a July trip to Moscow, where he went on what news reports called a "drunken bender," fraternized with local women and made inappropriate comments disparaging the Russian military. As a result, he was reassigned and made Special Assistant to the Commander of Air Force Space Command in Colorado.

Vice Admiral Tim Giardina — Giardina served as chief of staff of the US Pacific Fleet and was the number 2 officer of US Strategic Command (StratCom) until being relieved of duty in September 2013, following an investigation into his use of fake casino chips in a poker game. This is a class D felony in Iowa, where StratCom is located. He was already due to leave StratCom, and his bio currently lists him as "assigned to the staff of the vice chief of naval operations."

Lieutenant General David Holmes Huntoon, Jr. — Huntoon was serving as the Superintendent of the United States Military Academy in West Point until June 2013, when a report of an Inspector General's office investigation was released, which found that he had misused his position and forced subordinate officers to perform personal tasks. Huntoon was given a letter of reprimand, allowed to resign from his post and took his mandatory retirement the next month.

Major General C.M.M. Gurganus — This was one of two generals asked to retire early by the Commandant of the Marine Corps after a September 2012 Taliban surprise attack on a Marine airbase. Gurganus was found to have "not taken adequate force protection measures" at Camp Bastion, which led to the death of two Marines and the destruction of six Harrier jet fighters.

Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant — Sturdevant was the other general asked to retire in the wake of the Camp Bastion attack.

Brigadier General Bryan Roberts — The former commanding officer of Fort Jackson, the largest training post in the US Army, Roberts was suspended in May 2013 after an investigation into adultery and a physical altercation with a woman described as his mistress. Adultery in the military is punishable as an action that can bring discredit upon the armed forces.

Major General Ralph Baker — Baker was removed from his post as commanding officer of Combined Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa, as well as fined, after an administrative hearing into alcohol abuse and sexual misconduct charges in April 2013.

Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette — Gaouette held the position of commanding officer of Carrier Strike Group Three until a reprimand from the US Navy led to his removal. He was found to have used profanity in public and made several racially insensitive remarks. The origin of the complaint might have come from the captain of the aircraft carrier assigned to the Strike Group, who alleged Gaouette had humiliated him in public.

General Carter F. Ham — The commander of US Command Africa, Ham retired in the wake of the September 2011 attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Though the attack itself generated enormous controversy and blame on the Obama administration, Ham himself was never reprimanded and served the entirety of his two-year posting in Africa, retiring as scheduled at age 62, after a 40 year career.

Are you trying to say that is not the same as pulling a clearance for political payback?

that's 9 people who all did something so horrible they lost their clearance. are you trying to say NONE of this was political payback?

obama loved to smear his detractors.

Actually- I didn't say that any of those lost their security clearances- I was addressing the lie that there was some sort of purge of the military under President Obama.

Each of the officers has information listed- you have any evidence that President Obama ordered any of those actions for political payback?

See you seem to be confused. Don the Con clearly pulled the security clearance from Brennan purely for political payback- there is no evidence that any of these were because of political payback.

Finally- you saying that President Obama 'loved to smear his detractors'?
Are you saying that Obama used to go on Twitter and make up names about his attackers and make up facts about them like Don the Con does?

I can remember no President in my lifespan- including Richard Nixon- who has had such a record of vilifying any and all who dare criticize him- as Don the Con does.

Trump is thin skinned and very, very vindictive. Clearly part of the reason the far right admire him so much.

Did you miss the part where fucking Brennan went on global news and said the sitting president of the US was traitorous? I seriously doubt that you can find a clearer case of lack of good fucking judgement here. Even the fucking media who despises Trump knows the guy crossed the line...

Trump had just sold out United States Intelligence and told the world that he accepted Putin’s denial instead

Brennan said he considered it traitorous

It is an adequate way to describe what Trump did

 

[rightwinger]

that's 9 people who all did something so horrible they lost their clearance. are you trying to say NONE of this was political payback?

obama loved to smear his detractors.

Actually- I didn't say that any of those lost their security clearances- I was addressing the lie that there was some sort of purge of the military under President Obama.

Each of the officers has information listed- you have any evidence that President Obama ordered any of those actions for political payback?

See you seem to be confused. Don the Con clearly pulled the security clearance from Brennan purely for political payback- there is no evidence that any of these were because of political payback.

Finally- you saying that President Obama 'loved to smear his detractors'?
Are you saying that Obama used to go on Twitter and make up names about his attackers and make up facts about them like Don the Con does?

I can remember no President in my lifespan- including Richard Nixon- who has had such a record of vilifying any and all who dare criticize him- as Don the Con does.

Trump is thin skinned and very, very vindictive. Clearly part of the reason the far right admire him so much.

Did you miss the part where fucking Brennan went on global news and said the sitting president of the US was traitorous? I seriously doubt that you can find a clearer case of lack of good fucking judgement here. Even the fucking media who despises Trump knows the guy crossed the line...

you can't have people with that clearance running around saying shit like that.
.

Of course Trump can't have anyone with that kind of clearance criticizing him.

Trump has made that very clear.

obama couldn't either.

precedence set.

Show where Obama pulled a clearance out of political revenge

 

[EverCurious]

Skeptoid: Did President Obama Really Purge the Military?

Major General Michael Carey — As commander of the US land-based nuclear missile program, Carey was responsible for three units of ICBMs. He was relieved in October 2013 for his conduct on a July trip to Moscow, where he went on what news reports called a "drunken bender," fraternized with local women and made inappropriate comments disparaging the Russian military. As a result, he was reassigned and made Special Assistant to the Commander of Air Force Space Command in Colorado.

Vice Admiral Tim Giardina — Giardina served as chief of staff of the US Pacific Fleet and was the number 2 officer of US Strategic Command (StratCom) until being relieved of duty in September 2013, following an investigation into his use of fake casino chips in a poker game. This is a class D felony in Iowa, where StratCom is located. He was already due to leave StratCom, and his bio currently lists him as "assigned to the staff of the vice chief of naval operations."

Lieutenant General David Holmes Huntoon, Jr. — Huntoon was serving as the Superintendent of the United States Military Academy in West Point until June 2013, when a report of an Inspector General's office investigation was released, which found that he had misused his position and forced subordinate officers to perform personal tasks. Huntoon was given a letter of reprimand, allowed to resign from his post and took his mandatory retirement the next month.

Major General C.M.M. Gurganus — This was one of two generals asked to retire early by the Commandant of the Marine Corps after a September 2012 Taliban surprise attack on a Marine airbase. Gurganus was found to have "not taken adequate force protection measures" at Camp Bastion, which led to the death of two Marines and the destruction of six Harrier jet fighters.

Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant — Sturdevant was the other general asked to retire in the wake of the Camp Bastion attack.

Brigadier General Bryan Roberts — The former commanding officer of Fort Jackson, the largest training post in the US Army, Roberts was suspended in May 2013 after an investigation into adultery and a physical altercation with a woman described as his mistress. Adultery in the military is punishable as an action that can bring discredit upon the armed forces.

Major General Ralph Baker — Baker was removed from his post as commanding officer of Combined Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa, as well as fined, after an administrative hearing into alcohol abuse and sexual misconduct charges in April 2013.

Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette — Gaouette held the position of commanding officer of Carrier Strike Group Three until a reprimand from the US Navy led to his removal. He was found to have used profanity in public and made several racially insensitive remarks. The origin of the complaint might have come from the captain of the aircraft carrier assigned to the Strike Group, who alleged Gaouette had humiliated him in public.

General Carter F. Ham — The commander of US Command Africa, Ham retired in the wake of the September 2011 attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Though the attack itself generated enormous controversy and blame on the Obama administration, Ham himself was never reprimanded and served the entirety of his two-year posting in Africa, retiring as scheduled at age 62, after a 40 year career.

Are you trying to say that is not the same as pulling a clearance for political payback?

that's 9 people who all did something so horrible they lost their clearance. are you trying to say NONE of this was political payback?

obama loved to smear his detractors.

Actually- I didn't say that any of those lost their security clearances- I was addressing the lie that there was some sort of purge of the military under President Obama.

Each of the officers has information listed- you have any evidence that President Obama ordered any of those actions for political payback?

See you seem to be confused. Don the Con clearly pulled the security clearance from Brennan purely for political payback- there is no evidence that any of these were because of political payback.

Finally- you saying that President Obama 'loved to smear his detractors'?
Are you saying that Obama used to go on Twitter and make up names about his attackers and make up facts about them like Don the Con does?

I can remember no President in my lifespan- including Richard Nixon- who has had such a record of vilifying any and all who dare criticize him- as Don the Con does.

Trump is thin skinned and very, very vindictive. Clearly part of the reason the far right admire him so much.

Did you miss the part where fucking Brennan went on global news and said the sitting president of the US was traitorous? I seriously doubt that you can find a clearer case of lack of good fucking judgement here. Even the fucking media who despises Trump knows the guy crossed the line...

Trump had just sold out United States Intelligence and told the world that he accepted Putin’s denial instead

Brennan said he considered it traitorous

It is an adequate way to describe what Trump did

Actually no that's not what Trump said, that's the dishonest media bias spin. Rather similar to the bullshit being flown in here about how Brennan didn't fuck up. This kind of shit is why we don't trust the media and similar to why we don't trust Brennan now after his clearly biased statement intended 100% to undercut the president of the US on the implied basis of some "classified knowledge."

"He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.

The MSM reports, "Trump chose Putin over US intelligence agencies."

You folks are like hamsters on the wheel. The MSM puts a crumb of food on one side then you run as fast as your ass can wiggle to get it - of course it's not in the wheel, so you just run around like idiots accomplishing nothing. It's exhausting just watching

 

[rightwinger]

Are you trying to say that is not the same as pulling a clearance for political payback?

that's 9 people who all did something so horrible they lost their clearance. are you trying to say NONE of this was political payback?

obama loved to smear his detractors.

Actually- I didn't say that any of those lost their security clearances- I was addressing the lie that there was some sort of purge of the military under President Obama.

Each of the officers has information listed- you have any evidence that President Obama ordered any of those actions for political payback?

See you seem to be confused. Don the Con clearly pulled the security clearance from Brennan purely for political payback- there is no evidence that any of these were because of political payback.

Finally- you saying that President Obama 'loved to smear his detractors'?
Are you saying that Obama used to go on Twitter and make up names about his attackers and make up facts about them like Don the Con does?

I can remember no President in my lifespan- including Richard Nixon- who has had such a record of vilifying any and all who dare criticize him- as Don the Con does.

Trump is thin skinned and very, very vindictive. Clearly part of the reason the far right admire him so much.

Did you miss the part where fucking Brennan went on global news and said the sitting president of the US was traitorous? I seriously doubt that you can find a clearer case of lack of good fucking judgement here. Even the fucking media who despises Trump knows the guy crossed the line...

Trump had just sold out United States Intelligence and told the world that he accepted Putin’s denial instead

Brennan said he considered it traitorous

It is an adequate way to describe what Trump did

Actually no that's not what Trump said, that's the dishonest media bias spin. Rather similar to the bullshit being flown in here about how Brennan didn't fuck up. This kind of shit is why we don't trust the media and similar to why we don't trust Brennan now after his clearly biased statement intended 100% to undercut the president of the US on the implied basis of some "classified knowledge."

"He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.

The MSM reports, "Trump chose Putin over US intelligence agencies."

You folks are like hamsters on the wheel. The MSM puts a crumb of food on one side then you run as fast as your ass can wiggle to get it - of course it's not in the wheel, so you just run around like idiots accomplishing nothing. It's exhausting just watching

“He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.“

At least you didn’t buy into the lie that Trump meant to say “wouldn’t”

What possible reason could Trump have had to not believe Putin? That his own intelligence has repeatedly told him it was Russia and shown him the evidence

 

[EverCurious]

that's 9 people who all did something so horrible they lost their clearance. are you trying to say NONE of this was political payback?

obama loved to smear his detractors.

Actually- I didn't say that any of those lost their security clearances- I was addressing the lie that there was some sort of purge of the military under President Obama.

Each of the officers has information listed- you have any evidence that President Obama ordered any of those actions for political payback?

See you seem to be confused. Don the Con clearly pulled the security clearance from Brennan purely for political payback- there is no evidence that any of these were because of political payback.

Finally- you saying that President Obama 'loved to smear his detractors'?
Are you saying that Obama used to go on Twitter and make up names about his attackers and make up facts about them like Don the Con does?

I can remember no President in my lifespan- including Richard Nixon- who has had such a record of vilifying any and all who dare criticize him- as Don the Con does.

Trump is thin skinned and very, very vindictive. Clearly part of the reason the far right admire him so much.

Did you miss the part where fucking Brennan went on global news and said the sitting president of the US was traitorous? I seriously doubt that you can find a clearer case of lack of good fucking judgement here. Even the fucking media who despises Trump knows the guy crossed the line...

Trump had just sold out United States Intelligence and told the world that he accepted Putin’s denial instead

Brennan said he considered it traitorous

It is an adequate way to describe what Trump did

Actually no that's not what Trump said, that's the dishonest media bias spin. Rather similar to the bullshit being flown in here about how Brennan didn't fuck up. This kind of shit is why we don't trust the media and similar to why we don't trust Brennan now after his clearly biased statement intended 100% to undercut the president of the US on the implied basis of some "classified knowledge."

"He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.

The MSM reports, "Trump chose Putin over US intelligence agencies."

You folks are like hamsters on the wheel. The MSM puts a crumb of food on one side then you run as fast as your ass can wiggle to get it - of course it's not in the wheel, so you just run around like idiots accomplishing nothing. It's exhausting just watching

“He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.“

At least you didn’t buy into the lie that Trump meant to say “wouldn’t”

What possible reason could Trump have had to not believe Putin? That his own intelligence has repeatedly told him it was Russia and shown him the evidence

Regardless, the point is he never said that he believed Putin /over/ the intelligence agencies, the media spun the fuck out of it and ya'll ran in place like good pets about it...


As for the rest, look I'm quasi into the "hacksphere" (not a hacker for a long while, but I do keep up on it because it's an interesting subject) and the evidence given is flimsy at best. I have yet to see any evidence from any of our agencies that CrowdStrike was correct in their seemingly random pointing the finger at Russia for the hack. Not one shred, okay? If the gov has evidence of it, something we the people could see as clear cut, I'd be pleased to agree with them; but they don't and apparently won't present any evidence, they just go along with CrowdStrikes claim. It makes zero sense that they wouldn't present their evidence, its not like their like preventing the release of how it was done - we already know because CrowdStike put that out there... And more on that in a second...

Problem for me is that Crowdstrike does cloud based protection, Clinton and the DNC weren't using Cloud, they were using traditional databases and servers which would fall under the purview and protection expertise of their prior employee - McAfee, and what does he say about it? Exactly what I've always said about it:

"The sloppiness of the alleged DNC hack by itself proves it was not organized by a nation state, and the “utter nonsense” presented as proof of Moscow’s involvement is rather evidence of intelligence agencies being “ignorant and naïve.” The so-called evidence of the Russian involvement in the hacks not only looks like “the most deceptive propaganda was perpetrated on the American public” but actually proves quite the opposite, McAfee believes… Thus, McAfee believes, the whole “Russian hacking” narrative is either “propaganda intended to incite the American people, to anger toward Russia for some reason, or our intelligence community is so ignorant and naïve that they should all be replaced.”

I go with the latter personally, our government folks are ... older, and frankly dumb as shit when it comes to computer tech - and ample clear "evidence" of that fact ain't hard to trip over ya know. The biggest flaw relates to any argument that our gov was withholding evidence it was the Russians for some reason. The malware that was used in the attack, the one cited by CrowdStrike, is no fucking way modern Russian code, it was wrote in 2014 and publicly available to any hacker on the dark web for years and years before this intrusion occurred. It's bull-fucking-shit that Russian government hackers are using ancient software that's available to the public, any decent hacker would /die/ of embarrassment to be asked to use a code that's already got fucking McAfee protections on it... I mean seriously Russian hackers are godly okay? They've been hacking circles around us for decades, there is just no fucking way they're using that freebie noob level hackware, it's fucking asinine to even put it forward as viable to those of us who keep up with the "hacksphere" This is the kind of software a two bit ID thief uses, it ain't government level quality, nowhere near it ... and worse, the protective code for that shit was already out, that's why it was publicly available; hackers don't give up a working hack code, and sure as fuck not for free...

I'm not interested in "who can we blame this on" [Russian's] here, I'm actually interested in how the mother fuck did some of our top people get cracked by a two year old outdated malware?!? What a damned embarrassment... we invented this shit and now we can't even stay on top of it >.< DNC's gotta be fucking stupid, although I guess I shouldn't be surprised since the infamous computer illiterate Hillary Clinton was in charge at the time...

 

[rightwinger]

Actually- I didn't say that any of those lost their security clearances- I was addressing the lie that there was some sort of purge of the military under President Obama.

Each of the officers has information listed- you have any evidence that President Obama ordered any of those actions for political payback?

See you seem to be confused. Don the Con clearly pulled the security clearance from Brennan purely for political payback- there is no evidence that any of these were because of political payback.

Finally- you saying that President Obama 'loved to smear his detractors'?
Are you saying that Obama used to go on Twitter and make up names about his attackers and make up facts about them like Don the Con does?

I can remember no President in my lifespan- including Richard Nixon- who has had such a record of vilifying any and all who dare criticize him- as Don the Con does.

Trump is thin skinned and very, very vindictive. Clearly part of the reason the far right admire him so much.

Did you miss the part where fucking Brennan went on global news and said the sitting president of the US was traitorous? I seriously doubt that you can find a clearer case of lack of good fucking judgement here. Even the fucking media who despises Trump knows the guy crossed the line...

Trump had just sold out United States Intelligence and told the world that he accepted Putin’s denial instead

Brennan said he considered it traitorous

It is an adequate way to describe what Trump did

Actually no that's not what Trump said, that's the dishonest media bias spin. Rather similar to the bullshit being flown in here about how Brennan didn't fuck up. This kind of shit is why we don't trust the media and similar to why we don't trust Brennan now after his clearly biased statement intended 100% to undercut the president of the US on the implied basis of some "classified knowledge."

"He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.

The MSM reports, "Trump chose Putin over US intelligence agencies."

You folks are like hamsters on the wheel. The MSM puts a crumb of food on one side then you run as fast as your ass can wiggle to get it - of course it's not in the wheel, so you just run around like idiots accomplishing nothing. It's exhausting just watching

“He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.“

At least you didn’t buy into the lie that Trump meant to say “wouldn’t”

What possible reason could Trump have had to not believe Putin? That his own intelligence has repeatedly told him it was Russia and shown him the evidence

Regardless, the point is he never said that he believed Putin /over/ the intelligence agencies, the media spun the fuck out of it and ya'll ran in place like good pets about it...


As for the rest, look I'm quasi into the "hacksphere" (not a hacker for a long while, but I do keep up on it because it's an interesting subject) and the evidence given is flimsy at best. I have yet to see any evidence from any of our agencies that CrowdStrike was correct in their seemingly random pointing the finger at Russia for the hack. Not one shred, okay? If the gov has evidence of it, something we the people could see as clear cut, I'd be pleased to agree with them; but they don't and apparently won't present any evidence, they just go along with CrowdStrikes claim. It makes zero sense that they wouldn't present their evidence, its not like their like preventing the release of how it was done - we already know because CrowdStike put that out there... And more on that in a second...

Problem for me is that Crowdstrike does cloud based protection, Clinton and the DNC weren't using Cloud, they were using traditional databases and servers which would fall under the purview and protection expertise of their prior employee - McAfee, and what does he say about it? Exactly what I've always said about it:

"The sloppiness of the alleged DNC hack by itself proves it was not organized by a nation state, and the “utter nonsense” presented as proof of Moscow’s involvement is rather evidence of intelligence agencies being “ignorant and naïve.” The so-called evidence of the Russian involvement in the hacks not only looks like “the most deceptive propaganda was perpetrated on the American public” but actually proves quite the opposite, McAfee believes… Thus, McAfee believes, the whole “Russian hacking” narrative is either “propaganda intended to incite the American people, to anger toward Russia for some reason, or our intelligence community is so ignorant and naïve that they should all be replaced.”

I go with the latter personally, our government folks are ... older, and frankly dumb as shit when it comes to computer tech - and ample clear "evidence" of that fact ain't hard to trip over ya know. The biggest flaw relates to any argument that our gov was withholding evidence it was the Russians for some reason. The malware that was used in the attack, the one cited by CrowdStrike, is no fucking way modern Russian code, it was wrote in 2014 and publicly available to any hacker on the dark web for years and years before this intrusion occurred. It's bull-fucking-shit that Russian government hackers are using ancient software that's available to the public, any decent hacker would /die/ of embarrassment to be asked to use a code that's already got fucking McAfee protections on it... I mean seriously Russian hackers are godly okay? They've been hacking circles around us for decades, there is just no fucking way they're using that freebie noob level hackware, it's fucking asinine to even put it forward as viable to those of us who keep up with the "hacksphere" This is the kind of software a two bit ID thief uses, it ain't government level quality, nowhere near it ... and worse, the protective code for that shit was already out, that's why it was publicly available; hackers don't give up a working hack code, and sure as fuck not for free...

I'm not interested in "who can we blame this on" [Russian's] here, I'm actually interested in how the mother fuck did some of our top people get cracked by a two year old outdated malware?!? What a damned embarrassment... we invented this shit and now we can't even stay on top of it >.< DNC's gotta be fucking stupid, although I guess I shouldn't be surprised since the infamous computer illiterate Hillary Clinton was in charge at the time...

I go with the latter personally, our government folks are ... older, and frankly dumb as shit when it comes to computer tech - and ample clear "evidence" of that fact ain't hard to trip over ya know

I will go with the tools and expertise of the CIA and NSA
Trump goes with Putin’s promises

 

[EverCurious]

Did you miss the part where fucking Brennan went on global news and said the sitting president of the US was traitorous? I seriously doubt that you can find a clearer case of lack of good fucking judgement here. Even the fucking media who despises Trump knows the guy crossed the line...

Trump had just sold out United States Intelligence and told the world that he accepted Putin’s denial instead

Brennan said he considered it traitorous

It is an adequate way to describe what Trump did

Actually no that's not what Trump said, that's the dishonest media bias spin. Rather similar to the bullshit being flown in here about how Brennan didn't fuck up. This kind of shit is why we don't trust the media and similar to why we don't trust Brennan now after his clearly biased statement intended 100% to undercut the president of the US on the implied basis of some "classified knowledge."

"He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.

The MSM reports, "Trump chose Putin over US intelligence agencies."

You folks are like hamsters on the wheel. The MSM puts a crumb of food on one side then you run as fast as your ass can wiggle to get it - of course it's not in the wheel, so you just run around like idiots accomplishing nothing. It's exhausting just watching

“He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.“

At least you didn’t buy into the lie that Trump meant to say “wouldn’t”

What possible reason could Trump have had to not believe Putin? That his own intelligence has repeatedly told him it was Russia and shown him the evidence

Regardless, the point is he never said that he believed Putin /over/ the intelligence agencies, the media spun the fuck out of it and ya'll ran in place like good pets about it...


As for the rest, look I'm quasi into the "hacksphere" (not a hacker for a long while, but I do keep up on it because it's an interesting subject) and the evidence given is flimsy at best. I have yet to see any evidence from any of our agencies that CrowdStrike was correct in their seemingly random pointing the finger at Russia for the hack. Not one shred, okay? If the gov has evidence of it, something we the people could see as clear cut, I'd be pleased to agree with them; but they don't and apparently won't present any evidence, they just go along with CrowdStrikes claim. It makes zero sense that they wouldn't present their evidence, its not like their like preventing the release of how it was done - we already know because CrowdStike put that out there... And more on that in a second...

Problem for me is that Crowdstrike does cloud based protection, Clinton and the DNC weren't using Cloud, they were using traditional databases and servers which would fall under the purview and protection expertise of their prior employee - McAfee, and what does he say about it? Exactly what I've always said about it:

"The sloppiness of the alleged DNC hack by itself proves it was not organized by a nation state, and the “utter nonsense” presented as proof of Moscow’s involvement is rather evidence of intelligence agencies being “ignorant and naïve.” The so-called evidence of the Russian involvement in the hacks not only looks like “the most deceptive propaganda was perpetrated on the American public” but actually proves quite the opposite, McAfee believes… Thus, McAfee believes, the whole “Russian hacking” narrative is either “propaganda intended to incite the American people, to anger toward Russia for some reason, or our intelligence community is so ignorant and naïve that they should all be replaced.”

I go with the latter personally, our government folks are ... older, and frankly dumb as shit when it comes to computer tech - and ample clear "evidence" of that fact ain't hard to trip over ya know. The biggest flaw relates to any argument that our gov was withholding evidence it was the Russians for some reason. The malware that was used in the attack, the one cited by CrowdStrike, is no fucking way modern Russian code, it was wrote in 2014 and publicly available to any hacker on the dark web for years and years before this intrusion occurred. It's bull-fucking-shit that Russian government hackers are using ancient software that's available to the public, any decent hacker would /die/ of embarrassment to be asked to use a code that's already got fucking McAfee protections on it... I mean seriously Russian hackers are godly okay? They've been hacking circles around us for decades, there is just no fucking way they're using that freebie noob level hackware, it's fucking asinine to even put it forward as viable to those of us who keep up with the "hacksphere" This is the kind of software a two bit ID thief uses, it ain't government level quality, nowhere near it ... and worse, the protective code for that shit was already out, that's why it was publicly available; hackers don't give up a working hack code, and sure as fuck not for free...

I'm not interested in "who can we blame this on" [Russian's] here, I'm actually interested in how the mother fuck did some of our top people get cracked by a two year old outdated malware?!? What a damned embarrassment... we invented this shit and now we can't even stay on top of it >.< DNC's gotta be fucking stupid, although I guess I shouldn't be surprised since the infamous computer illiterate Hillary Clinton was in charge at the time...

I go with the latter personally, our government folks are ... older, and frankly dumb as shit when it comes to computer tech - and ample clear "evidence" of that fact ain't hard to trip over ya know

I will go with the tools and expertise of the CIA and NSA
Trump goes with Putin’s promises

Yeah... "tools and expertise" that was breached by a years old, already protected from, malware... I can't say I'm seeing a lot of tech savvy from ya on that decision, but have at ya kido ~shrug~

And your link that Trump goes with Putin's promises please.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump had just sold out United States Intelligence and told the world that he accepted Putin’s denial instead

Brennan said he considered it traitorous

It is an adequate way to describe what Trump did

Actually no that's not what Trump said, that's the dishonest media bias spin. Rather similar to the bullshit being flown in here about how Brennan didn't fuck up. This kind of shit is why we don't trust the media and similar to why we don't trust Brennan now after his clearly biased statement intended 100% to undercut the president of the US on the implied basis of some "classified knowledge."

"He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.

The MSM reports, "Trump chose Putin over US intelligence agencies."

You folks are like hamsters on the wheel. The MSM puts a crumb of food on one side then you run as fast as your ass can wiggle to get it - of course it's not in the wheel, so you just run around like idiots accomplishing nothing. It's exhausting just watching

“He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.“

At least you didn’t buy into the lie that Trump meant to say “wouldn’t”

What possible reason could Trump have had to not believe Putin? That his own intelligence has repeatedly told him it was Russia and shown him the evidence

Regardless, the point is he never said that he believed Putin /over/ the intelligence agencies, the media spun the fuck out of it and ya'll ran in place like good pets about it...


As for the rest, look I'm quasi into the "hacksphere" (not a hacker for a long while, but I do keep up on it because it's an interesting subject) and the evidence given is flimsy at best. I have yet to see any evidence from any of our agencies that CrowdStrike was correct in their seemingly random pointing the finger at Russia for the hack. Not one shred, okay? If the gov has evidence of it, something we the people could see as clear cut, I'd be pleased to agree with them; but they don't and apparently won't present any evidence, they just go along with CrowdStrikes claim. It makes zero sense that they wouldn't present their evidence, its not like their like preventing the release of how it was done - we already know because CrowdStike put that out there... And more on that in a second...

Problem for me is that Crowdstrike does cloud based protection, Clinton and the DNC weren't using Cloud, they were using traditional databases and servers which would fall under the purview and protection expertise of their prior employee - McAfee, and what does he say about it? Exactly what I've always said about it:

"The sloppiness of the alleged DNC hack by itself proves it was not organized by a nation state, and the “utter nonsense” presented as proof of Moscow’s involvement is rather evidence of intelligence agencies being “ignorant and naïve.” The so-called evidence of the Russian involvement in the hacks not only looks like “the most deceptive propaganda was perpetrated on the American public” but actually proves quite the opposite, McAfee believes… Thus, McAfee believes, the whole “Russian hacking” narrative is either “propaganda intended to incite the American people, to anger toward Russia for some reason, or our intelligence community is so ignorant and naïve that they should all be replaced.”

I go with the latter personally, our government folks are ... older, and frankly dumb as shit when it comes to computer tech - and ample clear "evidence" of that fact ain't hard to trip over ya know. The biggest flaw relates to any argument that our gov was withholding evidence it was the Russians for some reason. The malware that was used in the attack, the one cited by CrowdStrike, is no fucking way modern Russian code, it was wrote in 2014 and publicly available to any hacker on the dark web for years and years before this intrusion occurred. It's bull-fucking-shit that Russian government hackers are using ancient software that's available to the public, any decent hacker would /die/ of embarrassment to be asked to use a code that's already got fucking McAfee protections on it... I mean seriously Russian hackers are godly okay? They've been hacking circles around us for decades, there is just no fucking way they're using that freebie noob level hackware, it's fucking asinine to even put it forward as viable to those of us who keep up with the "hacksphere" This is the kind of software a two bit ID thief uses, it ain't government level quality, nowhere near it ... and worse, the protective code for that shit was already out, that's why it was publicly available; hackers don't give up a working hack code, and sure as fuck not for free...

I'm not interested in "who can we blame this on" [Russian's] here, I'm actually interested in how the mother fuck did some of our top people get cracked by a two year old outdated malware?!? What a damned embarrassment... we invented this shit and now we can't even stay on top of it >.< DNC's gotta be fucking stupid, although I guess I shouldn't be surprised since the infamous computer illiterate Hillary Clinton was in charge at the time...

I go with the latter personally, our government folks are ... older, and frankly dumb as shit when it comes to computer tech - and ample clear "evidence" of that fact ain't hard to trip over ya know

I will go with the tools and expertise of the CIA and NSA
Trump goes with Putin’s promises

Yeah... "tools and expertise" that was breached by a years old, already protected from, malware... I can't say I'm seeing a lot of tech savvy from ya on that decision, but have at ya kido ~shrug~

And your link that Trump goes with Putin's promises please.

“He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,”

 

[EverCurious]

Actually no that's not what Trump said, that's the dishonest media bias spin. Rather similar to the bullshit being flown in here about how Brennan didn't fuck up. This kind of shit is why we don't trust the media and similar to why we don't trust Brennan now after his clearly biased statement intended 100% to undercut the president of the US on the implied basis of some "classified knowledge."

"He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.

The MSM reports, "Trump chose Putin over US intelligence agencies."

You folks are like hamsters on the wheel. The MSM puts a crumb of food on one side then you run as fast as your ass can wiggle to get it - of course it's not in the wheel, so you just run around like idiots accomplishing nothing. It's exhausting just watching

“He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump said.“

At least you didn’t buy into the lie that Trump meant to say “wouldn’t”

What possible reason could Trump have had to not believe Putin? That his own intelligence has repeatedly told him it was Russia and shown him the evidence

Regardless, the point is he never said that he believed Putin /over/ the intelligence agencies, the media spun the fuck out of it and ya'll ran in place like good pets about it...


As for the rest, look I'm quasi into the "hacksphere" (not a hacker for a long while, but I do keep up on it because it's an interesting subject) and the evidence given is flimsy at best. I have yet to see any evidence from any of our agencies that CrowdStrike was correct in their seemingly random pointing the finger at Russia for the hack. Not one shred, okay? If the gov has evidence of it, something we the people could see as clear cut, I'd be pleased to agree with them; but they don't and apparently won't present any evidence, they just go along with CrowdStrikes claim. It makes zero sense that they wouldn't present their evidence, its not like their like preventing the release of how it was done - we already know because CrowdStike put that out there... And more on that in a second...

Problem for me is that Crowdstrike does cloud based protection, Clinton and the DNC weren't using Cloud, they were using traditional databases and servers which would fall under the purview and protection expertise of their prior employee - McAfee, and what does he say about it? Exactly what I've always said about it:

"The sloppiness of the alleged DNC hack by itself proves it was not organized by a nation state, and the “utter nonsense” presented as proof of Moscow’s involvement is rather evidence of intelligence agencies being “ignorant and naïve.” The so-called evidence of the Russian involvement in the hacks not only looks like “the most deceptive propaganda was perpetrated on the American public” but actually proves quite the opposite, McAfee believes… Thus, McAfee believes, the whole “Russian hacking” narrative is either “propaganda intended to incite the American people, to anger toward Russia for some reason, or our intelligence community is so ignorant and naïve that they should all be replaced.”

I go with the latter personally, our government folks are ... older, and frankly dumb as shit when it comes to computer tech - and ample clear "evidence" of that fact ain't hard to trip over ya know. The biggest flaw relates to any argument that our gov was withholding evidence it was the Russians for some reason. The malware that was used in the attack, the one cited by CrowdStrike, is no fucking way modern Russian code, it was wrote in 2014 and publicly available to any hacker on the dark web for years and years before this intrusion occurred. It's bull-fucking-shit that Russian government hackers are using ancient software that's available to the public, any decent hacker would /die/ of embarrassment to be asked to use a code that's already got fucking McAfee protections on it... I mean seriously Russian hackers are godly okay? They've been hacking circles around us for decades, there is just no fucking way they're using that freebie noob level hackware, it's fucking asinine to even put it forward as viable to those of us who keep up with the "hacksphere" This is the kind of software a two bit ID thief uses, it ain't government level quality, nowhere near it ... and worse, the protective code for that shit was already out, that's why it was publicly available; hackers don't give up a working hack code, and sure as fuck not for free...

I'm not interested in "who can we blame this on" [Russian's] here, I'm actually interested in how the mother fuck did some of our top people get cracked by a two year old outdated malware?!? What a damned embarrassment... we invented this shit and now we can't even stay on top of it >.< DNC's gotta be fucking stupid, although I guess I shouldn't be surprised since the infamous computer illiterate Hillary Clinton was in charge at the time...

I go with the latter personally, our government folks are ... older, and frankly dumb as shit when it comes to computer tech - and ample clear "evidence" of that fact ain't hard to trip over ya know

I will go with the tools and expertise of the CIA and NSA
Trump goes with Putin’s promises

Yeah... "tools and expertise" that was breached by a years old, already protected from, malware... I can't say I'm seeing a lot of tech savvy from ya on that decision, but have at ya kido ~shrug~

And your link that Trump goes with Putin's promises please.

“He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,”

Again. Putin said it's not him. Trump said, I don't see why it would be; or wouldn't be heh

Regardless, neither of those things says he believed Putin over the intelligence agencies. Run faster hamster, you need more spin.