Obama Pulled Quite a Few Clearances, and No Liberals Whined Then, Why Now?

[JimBowie1958]

The inconsistency of liberals in their hatred of Trump is very revealing.

'Obama's Favorite General' Stripped Of Security Clearance Amid Leak Investigation

Gordon Lubold of FP reports that multiple current and former administration sources said Cartwright lost his clearance earlier this year. That delivers a big blow to the retired officer once regarded as Obama's 'favorite general,' who left the military and now serves in other military-related roles at the Center of Strategic and International Studies, Raytheon, and as a defense consultant for ABC News.
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Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Investor's Business Daily

Defense: What the president calls "my military" is being cleansed of any officer suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the administration on matters of policy or force structure, leaving the compliant and fearful.


We recognize President Obama is the commander-in-chief and that throughout history presidents from Lincoln to Truman have seen fit to remove military commanders they view as inadequate or insubordinate. Turnover in the military ranks is normal, and in these times of sequestration and budget cuts the numbers are expected to tick up as force levels shrink and missions change.


Yet what has happened to our officer corps since President Obama took office is viewed in many quarters as unprecedented, baffling and even harmful to our national security posture. We have commented on some of the higher profile cases, such as Gen. Carter Ham. He was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command after only a year and a half because he disagreed with orders not to mount a rescue mission in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi.


Rear Adm. Chuck Gaouette, commander of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, was relieved in October 2012 for disobeying orders when he sent his group on Sept. 11 to "assist and provide intelligence for" military forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham.


Other removals include the sacking of two nuclear commanders in a single week — Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, head of the 20th Air Force, responsible for the three wings that maintain control of the 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles, and Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, the No. 2 officer at U.S. Strategic Command.


From Breitbart.com's Facebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."


Nine senior commanding generals have been fired by the Obama administration this year, leading to speculation by active and retired members of the military that a purge of its commanders is under way.


Retired U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely, an outspoken critic of the Obama administration, notes how the White House fails to take action or investigate its own officials but finds it easy to fire military commanders "who have given their lives for their country." Vallely thinks he knows why this purge is happening.


"Obama will not purge a civilian or political appointee because they have bought into Obama's ideology," Vallely said. "The White House protects their own. That's why they stalled on the investigation into Fast and Furious, Benghazi and ObamaCare. He's intentionally weakening and gutting our military, Pentagon and reducing us as a superpower, and anyone in the ranks who disagrees or speaks out is being purged."​

 

[FA_Q2]

You do understand that the problem the left has is not that the clearance was pulled but WHY, right?

 

[Two Thumbs]

The inconsistency of liberals in their hatred of Trump is very revealing.

'Obama's Favorite General' Stripped Of Security Clearance Amid Leak Investigation

Gordon Lubold of FP reports that multiple current and former administration sources said Cartwright lost his clearance earlier this year. That delivers a big blow to the retired officer once regarded as Obama's 'favorite general,' who left the military and now serves in other military-related roles at the Center of Strategic and International Studies, Raytheon, and as a defense consultant for ABC News.
​

Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Investor's Business Daily

Defense: What the president calls "my military" is being cleansed of any officer suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the administration on matters of policy or force structure, leaving the compliant and fearful.


We recognize President Obama is the commander-in-chief and that throughout history presidents from Lincoln to Truman have seen fit to remove military commanders they view as inadequate or insubordinate. Turnover in the military ranks is normal, and in these times of sequestration and budget cuts the numbers are expected to tick up as force levels shrink and missions change.


Yet what has happened to our officer corps since President Obama took office is viewed in many quarters as unprecedented, baffling and even harmful to our national security posture. We have commented on some of the higher profile cases, such as Gen. Carter Ham. He was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command after only a year and a half because he disagreed with orders not to mount a rescue mission in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi.


Rear Adm. Chuck Gaouette, commander of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, was relieved in October 2012 for disobeying orders when he sent his group on Sept. 11 to "assist and provide intelligence for" military forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham.


Other removals include the sacking of two nuclear commanders in a single week — Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, head of the 20th Air Force, responsible for the three wings that maintain control of the 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles, and Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, the No. 2 officer at U.S. Strategic Command.


From Breitbart.com's Facebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."


Nine senior commanding generals have been fired by the Obama administration this year, leading to speculation by active and retired members of the military that a purge of its commanders is under way.


Retired U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely, an outspoken critic of the Obama administration, notes how the White House fails to take action or investigate its own officials but finds it easy to fire military commanders "who have given their lives for their country." Vallely thinks he knows why this purge is happening.


"Obama will not purge a civilian or political appointee because they have bought into Obama's ideology," Vallely said. "The White House protects their own. That's why they stalled on the investigation into Fast and Furious, Benghazi and ObamaCare. He's intentionally weakening and gutting our military, Pentagon and reducing us as a superpower, and anyone in the ranks who disagrees or speaks out is being purged."​

b/c it's not the same and you're a racist.

don't ask me to explain

*drops mic*

 

[rightwinger]

The inconsistency of liberals in their hatred of Trump is very revealing.

'Obama's Favorite General' Stripped Of Security Clearance Amid Leak Investigation

Gordon Lubold of FP reports that multiple current and former administration sources said Cartwright lost his clearance earlier this year. That delivers a big blow to the retired officer once regarded as Obama's 'favorite general,' who left the military and now serves in other military-related roles at the Center of Strategic and International Studies, Raytheon, and as a defense consultant for ABC News.
​

Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Investor's Business Daily

Defense: What the president calls "my military" is being cleansed of any officer suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the administration on matters of policy or force structure, leaving the compliant and fearful.


We recognize President Obama is the commander-in-chief and that throughout history presidents from Lincoln to Truman have seen fit to remove military commanders they view as inadequate or insubordinate. Turnover in the military ranks is normal, and in these times of sequestration and budget cuts the numbers are expected to tick up as force levels shrink and missions change.


Yet what has happened to our officer corps since President Obama took office is viewed in many quarters as unprecedented, baffling and even harmful to our national security posture. We have commented on some of the higher profile cases, such as Gen. Carter Ham. He was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command after only a year and a half because he disagreed with orders not to mount a rescue mission in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi.


Rear Adm. Chuck Gaouette, commander of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, was relieved in October 2012 for disobeying orders when he sent his group on Sept. 11 to "assist and provide intelligence for" military forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham.


Other removals include the sacking of two nuclear commanders in a single week — Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, head of the 20th Air Force, responsible for the three wings that maintain control of the 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles, and Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, the No. 2 officer at U.S. Strategic Command.


From Breitbart.com's Facebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."


Nine senior commanding generals have been fired by the Obama administration this year, leading to speculation by active and retired members of the military that a purge of its commanders is under way.


Retired U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely, an outspoken critic of the Obama administration, notes how the White House fails to take action or investigate its own officials but finds it easy to fire military commanders "who have given their lives for their country." Vallely thinks he knows why this purge is happening.


"Obama will not purge a civilian or political appointee because they have bought into Obama's ideology," Vallely said. "The White House protects their own. That's why they stalled on the investigation into Fast and Furious, Benghazi and ObamaCare. He's intentionally weakening and gutting our military, Pentagon and reducing us as a superpower, and anyone in the ranks who disagrees or speaks out is being purged."​

Why do Republicans struggle with equivalencies?

Obama pulled clearances and removed them from duty for cause. Not following orders is cause for dismissal

Trump pulled a clearance because his feelings were hurt

 

[rightwinger]

From Breitbart.com'sebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."


Brennan did not work for Trump, he is a private citizen entitled to criticize his president

 

[candycorn]

If your policy is to pull clearances of those no longer employed by the government; fine. I think it's a dumb policy since you're willfully depriving yourself of expertise you can find nowhere else but whatever.

Apply the policy equally though. Do you think Trump could do that?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The inconsistency of liberals in their hatred of Trump is very revealing.

'Obama's Favorite General' Stripped Of Security Clearance Amid Leak Investigation

Gordon Lubold of FP reports that multiple current and former administration sources said Cartwright lost his clearance earlier this year. That delivers a big blow to the retired officer once regarded as Obama's 'favorite general,' who left the military and now serves in other military-related roles at the Center of Strategic and International Studies, Raytheon, and as a defense consultant for ABC News.
​

Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Investor's Business Daily

Defense: What the president calls "my military" is being cleansed of any officer suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the administration on matters of policy or force structure, leaving the compliant and fearful.


We recognize President Obama is the commander-in-chief and that throughout history presidents from Lincoln to Truman have seen fit to remove military commanders they view as inadequate or insubordinate. Turnover in the military ranks is normal, and in these times of sequestration and budget cuts the numbers are expected to tick up as force levels shrink and missions change.


Yet what has happened to our officer corps since President Obama took office is viewed in many quarters as unprecedented, baffling and even harmful to our national security posture. We have commented on some of the higher profile cases, such as Gen. Carter Ham. He was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command after only a year and a half because he disagreed with orders not to mount a rescue mission in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi.


Rear Adm. Chuck Gaouette, commander of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, was relieved in October 2012 for disobeying orders when he sent his group on Sept. 11 to "assist and provide intelligence for" military forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham.


Other removals include the sacking of two nuclear commanders in a single week — Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, head of the 20th Air Force, responsible for the three wings that maintain control of the 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles, and Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, the No. 2 officer at U.S. Strategic Command.


From Breitbart.com's Facebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."


Nine senior commanding generals have been fired by the Obama administration this year, leading to speculation by active and retired members of the military that a purge of its commanders is under way.


Retired U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely, an outspoken critic of the Obama administration, notes how the White House fails to take action or investigate its own officials but finds it easy to fire military commanders "who have given their lives for their country." Vallely thinks he knows why this purge is happening.


"Obama will not purge a civilian or political appointee because they have bought into Obama's ideology," Vallely said. "The White House protects their own. That's why they stalled on the investigation into Fast and Furious, Benghazi and ObamaCare. He's intentionally weakening and gutting our military, Pentagon and reducing us as a superpower, and anyone in the ranks who disagrees or speaks out is being purged."​

Why do Republicans struggle with equivalencies?

Obama pulled clearances and removed them from duty for cause. Not following orders is cause for dismissal

Trump pulled a clearance because his feelings were hurt

That's dandy and all, but no cause is required of the President to revoke clearance.

What now?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

From Breitbart.com'sebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."


Brennan did not work for Trump, he is a private citizen entitled to criticize his president

But not entitled to a security clearance.

 

[rightwinger]

It seems our conservative members are under instruction to flood the webs with lame “Obama did it too” threads

Obama fired people for cause that is not the equivalent of pulling clearances for political payback

 

[rightwinger]

From Breitbart.com'sebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."


Brennan did not work for Trump, he is a private citizen entitled to criticize his president

But not entitled to a security clearance.

Fired for cause....not political payback

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

If your policy is to pull clearances of those no longer employed by the government; fine. I think it's a dumb policy since you're willfully depriving yourself of expertise you can find nowhere else but whatever.

Apply the policy equally though. Do you think Trump could do that?

Do you honestly think Trump will ask anyone on the current popular list to have clearance revoked for advice or opinions? They all screwed up royally.

That said, I agree. Those on both sides of politics no longer involved should have it revoked.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

From Breitbart.com'sebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."


Brennan did not work for Trump, he is a private citizen entitled to criticize his president

But not entitled to a security clearance.

Fired for cause....not political payback

Huh? Trump did not fire Brennan, for cause or any other reason.

Your point is irrelevant. Trump can revoke a clearance on a whim. He needs no justification, though with members of the Obama administration he has all the justification he needs.

 

[Hellokitty]

From Breitbart.com'sebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."


Brennan did not work for Trump, he is a private citizen entitled to criticize his president

So a private citizens can't have their government security clearance revoked?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

From Breitbart.com'sebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."


Brennan did not work for Trump, he is a private citizen entitled to criticize his president

.......who doesnt need a security clearance.

 

[iceberg]

You do understand that the problem the left has is not that the clearance was pulled but WHY, right?

for something like this, right?

Defense: What the president calls "my military" is being cleansed of any officer suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the administration on matters of policy or force structure, leaving the compliant and fearful.

 

[iceberg]

If your policy is to pull clearances of those no longer employed by the government; fine. I think it's a dumb policy since you're willfully depriving yourself of expertise you can find nowhere else but whatever.

Apply the policy equally though. Do you think Trump could do that?

Do you honestly think Trump will ask anyone on the current popular list to have clearance revoked for advice or opinions? They all screwed up royally.

That said, I agree. Those on both sides of politics no longer involved should have it revoked.

this is my stance. i never knew it was policy for people leaving the role to keep their clearance and make $$$ off of it.

say it with me - people with high level security clearance who are not actively engaged in the need for such have this clearance while they report the nightly news.

our entire policy of who gets this clearance and why needs an enema. as far as i'm concerned, when your job is done for whatever reason, you're dropped to base level clearance ONLY at best. this is more just to keep people on the books and *if needed* they can raise it back up for what is needed then drop it again.

no one on either side of this "war" should have such information when they simply don't NEED TO KNOW. has nothing to do with brennan, obama, trump, ivanka or whoever.

 

[rightwinger]

If your policy is to pull clearances of those no longer employed by the government; fine. I think it's a dumb policy since you're willfully depriving yourself of expertise you can find nowhere else but whatever.

Apply the policy equally though. Do you think Trump could do that?

Do you honestly think Trump will ask anyone on the current popular list to have clearance revoked for advice or opinions? They all screwed up royally.

That said, I agree. Those on both sides of politics no longer involved should have it revoked.

Being a political adversary is not screwing up

 

[rightwinger]

You do understand that the problem the left has is not that the clearance was pulled but WHY, right?

for something like this, right?

Defense: What the president calls "my military" is being cleansed of any officer suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the administration on matters of policy or force structure, leaving the compliant and fearful.

Do you understand what a Commander in Chief is?
The military complies with his direction or they leave

Think Douglas MacArthur and Truman

 

[Rustic]

From Breitbart.com'sebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."


Brennan did not work for Trump, he is a private citizen entitled to criticize his president

But not entitled to a security clearance.

Fired for cause....not political payback

Lol
It seems you would eat the shit out of Obama’s ass if he asked you to...

 

[SassyIrishLass]

If your policy is to pull clearances of those no longer employed by the government; fine. I think it's a dumb policy since you're willfully depriving yourself of expertise you can find nowhere else but whatever.

Apply the policy equally though. Do you think Trump could do that?

Do you honestly think Trump will ask anyone on the current popular list to have clearance revoked for advice or opinions? They all screwed up royally.

That said, I agree. Those on both sides of politics no longer involved should have it revoked.

Being a political adversary is not screwing up

Promoting a fake dossier to undermine an election is....big time