Obama proud of torturing american civilians.

[CMike]

Liberalism is based on lies.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Liberalism is based on lies.

When you die, you can tell John Locke all about it

 

[ABikerSailor]

Liberalism is based on lies.

Tell ya what pivot man (circle jerk reference)..........you're just pissed because your ass was pwned in 2 pages.

Wanna tell me how they could have captured someone in 2003, and said that the information elicited by waterboarding this individual, was what prevented an attack in 2002?

Don't tell me.....lemmie guess........over at Area 51 there is a time machine gizmo as well?

Get a fucking clue. Wanna know why I think Cheney had a man sized safe? He was keeping people in there, so he could listen to their muffled screams while he worked.

 

[CMike]

OK, lets start with CMike and his family, then we'll see how well he agrees with torture

I am not mass murdering anyone.

How about your family was in the LA building or on the plane that was going to crash into it?

How about if your family was in the center of where the "dirty bomb" was going to go off?

Would you then care so much about the comfort of those terrorists?

 

[CMike]

Liberalism is based on lies.

Tell ya what pivot man (circle jerk reference)..........you're just pissed because your ass was pwned in 2 pages.

Wanna tell me how they could have captured someone in 2003, and said that the information elicited by waterboarding this individual, was what prevented an attack in 2002?

Don't tell me.....lemmie guess........over at Area 51 there is a time machine gizmo as well?

Get a fucking clue. Wanna know why I think Cheney had a man sized safe? He was keeping people in there, so he could listen to their muffled screams while he worked.

I don't know what your smoking but whatever it is it's gotta be illegal.

Any asshole can write an editorial making any shit up. It doesn't mean it's true other than in the small brain of a liberal.

You are comparing what some sleezoid liberal writer writes in some editorial compared to Obama declassified Department of Justice and CIA documents.

Are you totally stoned?

If you read pages 8-11 in the declassified memo, it might bring you to reality.

http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/olc_05302005_bradbury.pdf

 

[CMike]

LOL. I'm quite familiar with the loopholes that allow rendition to skewer the constitution.
Do you REALLY want to go on a case by case tete-a-tete about the law of terrorism? I'm ready if you are.

Good job skipping over that part about inalienable rights.

Happy to.

 

[ABikerSailor]

No actually.......I watch the news.

Funding for the war was left off the books in the Bush Jr. admin. Fact.

Valerie Plame's name was leaked by Karl Rove, yet Libby took the fall. Fact.

With a track record like that to start with, what fucking stupid asshat is gonna believe them? Remember dipshit, the government doesn't always tell you the truth either.

Oh wait.............forgot who I was talking to..........the lead paint chip eating window licker on the short bus that forgot his helmet.

 

[CMike]

No wonder the libtards are so confused.

They rely for their facts, what their left wing leaders tell them. They never question anything. They just believe what they are told. They have no mind of their own.

They seek no documentation, and don't check out for themselves what they are told by their leaders and their minions.

It's actually pretty scary.
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[ABikerSailor]

No wonder the libtards are so confused.

They rely for their facts, what their left wing leaders tell them. They never question anything. They just believe what they are told. They have no mind of their own.

They seek no documentation, and don't check out for themselves what they are told by their leaders and their minions.

It's actually pretty scary.
YouTube - Funniest Movie Line Ever

Interesting.....I feel the same way about FAUX Noise viewers. They accept the rhetoric laid out by Murdoch's empire as fact, when most of the time, it's not.

Might wanna grow a brain there speedy.

 

[gautama]

No wonder the libtards are so confused.

They rely for their facts, what their left wing leaders tell them. They never question anything. They just believe what they are told. They have no mind of their own.

They seek no documentation, and don't check out for themselves what they are told by their leaders and their minions.

It's actually pretty scary.
YouTube - Funniest Movie Line Ever

Interesting.....I feel the same way about FAUX Noise viewers. They accept the rhetoric laid out by Murdoch's empire as fact, when most of the time, it's not.

Might wanna grow a brain there speedy.

Ahhhhh yesssssss..... the pint-sized "Don't ask. Don't tell" faggot of a lifetime sailor that got caught in the act of blowing a poodle.

How does it feel being out there in the real world without your reliable "three squares and a bunk" ?

I understand the Religious Charity Kitchens do a good job....d'ya hafta chant something from your "God is my Sensei" crap to get in ?

just askin.......

 

[Old Rocks]

Obama says waterboarding was torture

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama said Wednesday night that waterboarding authorized by former President George W. Bush was torture and that the information it gained from terror suspects could have been obtained by other means. "In some cases, it may be harder," he conceded at a White House news conference capping a whirlwind first 100 days in office.

The waterboarding of 3 arch terrorists saved thousands of american lives from torture.

If the terrorist attacks occurred, thousands of US civilians would have died from fire, and radiation. Of course, hundreds would have just been murdered by the plane crashing into a LA building

By protecting the 3 terrorists from being waterboarded, had Obama been president, the terrorist attacks would have occurred and americans would have been tortured.

http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/olc_05302005_bradbury.pdf

So you like torturing people.

Let's see, President Obama has been in office for over a year now, and how many Americans have died in terrorist attacks in the US?

And how many had died at this point in Bush's administration? In spite of over 50 explicit warning during the summer.

 

[CurveLight]

What the fuck is wrong with people who promote torture?

 

[Tommy Lucchese]

Obama says waterboarding was torture

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama said Wednesday night that waterboarding authorized by former President George W. Bush was torture and that the information it gained from terror suspects could have been obtained by other means. "In some cases, it may be harder," he conceded at a White House news conference capping a whirlwind first 100 days in office.

The waterboarding of 3 arch terrorists saved thousands of american lives from torture.

If the terrorist attacks occurred, thousands of US civilians would have died from fire, and radiation. Of course, hundreds would have just been murdered by the plane crashing into a LA building

By protecting the 3 terrorists from being waterboarded, had Obama been president, the terrorist attacks would have occurred and americans would have been tortured.

http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/olc_05302005_bradbury.pdf

First off, what two plots?

And secondly, you have no way to know that they would happen. Arab terrorists are world-renowned for their incompetence.

 

[rightwinger]

What the fuck is wrong with people who promote torture?

They are outraged if others do it to Americans

It is justified if Americans do it to others

They don't realize that it is the same thing. The person committing torture can always justify it. The person receiving torture always deserves it. The end always justifies the means

 

[beowolfe]

The US would engage in torture, by allowing Al Qaida to torture thousands of americans civilians.

Are you aware that torture is against the Geneva Convention?

Stupid is as stupid does. I guess it should also be 'Stupid is as stupid says'.

 

[blu]

Obama says waterboarding was torture

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama said Wednesday night that waterboarding authorized by former President George W. Bush was torture and that the information it gained from terror suspects could have been obtained by other means. "In some cases, it may be harder," he conceded at a White House news conference capping a whirlwind first 100 days in office.

The waterboarding of 3 arch terrorists saved thousands of american lives from torture.

If the terrorist attacks occurred, thousands of US civilians would have died from fire, and radiation. Of course, hundreds would have just been murdered by the plane crashing into a LA building

By protecting the 3 terrorists from being waterboarded, had Obama been president, the terrorist attacks would have occurred and americans would have been tortured.

http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/olc_05302005_bradbury.pdf

First off, what two plots?

And secondly, you have no way to know that they would happen. Arab terrorists are world-renowned for their incompetence.

the ones bush "leaked" a vague idea about (like that la was going to be bombed or whatever), but then when asked for proof said he couldn't for security reasons. you also then had neocon characters running to fox and opeds saying how bush put the nation at risk by even mentioning that the incidents may have occurred if we didn't stop the plot. was pretty funny actually.

 

[CMike]

Obama says waterboarding was torture

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama said Wednesday night that waterboarding authorized by former President George W. Bush was torture and that the information it gained from terror suspects could have been obtained by other means. "In some cases, it may be harder," he conceded at a White House news conference capping a whirlwind first 100 days in office.

The waterboarding of 3 arch terrorists saved thousands of american lives from torture.

If the terrorist attacks occurred, thousands of US civilians would have died from fire, and radiation. Of course, hundreds would have just been murdered by the plane crashing into a LA building

By protecting the 3 terrorists from being waterboarded, had Obama been president, the terrorist attacks would have occurred and americans would have been tortured.

http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/olc_05302005_bradbury.pdf

So you like torturing people.

Let's see, President Obama has been in office for over a year now, and how many Americans have died in terrorist attacks in the US?

And how many had died at this point in Bush's administration? In spite of over 50 explicit warning during the summer.

The difference douche bag is after 911 Pres. Bush learned and put in safeguards that protected this country for 7 years.

Obama who went on his Al Qaida "terrorist rights" crusade managed to allow 3 Al Qaida terrorist attacks within America in his first year.

 

[CMike]

Good grief.

I posted the actual Obama declassified DOJ/CIA memo, and gave the relevant page numbers, however, it appears that the libs aren't bright enough to read it for themselves.

I can't copy and paste it because of the formatting.

So here it is in perhaps a format that even a liberal can understand.

CNSNews.com - CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles

According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”


KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.

After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators. Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah. KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)

This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘[o]ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”


The quotations in this part of the Justice memo were taken from an Aug. 2, 2004 letter that CIA Acting General Counsel John A. Rizzo sent to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.

Before they were subjected to “enhanced techniques” of interrogation that included waterboarding, KSM and Zubaydah were not only uncooperative but also appeared contemptuous of the will of the American people to defend themselves.

“In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including KSM and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques,” says the Justice Department memo. “Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’ Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced techniques in its interrogation of KSM, KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will know.’”


After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.

The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.

“You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM—once enhanced techniques were employed—led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles,” says the memo.

“You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discover of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave,’” reads the memo. “More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he had [redaction] large sum of money to an al Qaeda associate [redaction] … Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who was then captured. Zubair, in turn, provided information that led to the arrest of Hambali. The information acquired from these captures allowed CIA interrogators to pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to Hambali’s brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba cell. With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali confirmed much of what was learned from KSM.”

...In the memo itself, the Justice Department’s Bradbury told the CIA’s Rossi: “Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qa’ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.”

 

[Vanquish]

Wow. This guy has Bush kool-aid on an IV drip to his brain.

Bush put in safeguards? Really? Seriously? BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA *spits out coffee*

What the fuck is wrong with people who promote torture?

For them the ends justify the means. I had this debate with some other right-wing chick on these boards. They keep thinking that this "only gets done to terrorists" - which is totally untrue. Innocent people get hurt. And besides that, the founding fathers explained that these rights are for ALL men.

They just want to vent their frustration on their perceived enemy and think they can skewer anyone and be justified. It's utter bullshit of course.

 

[CMike]

Also if you look at page 10, in the middle of the page, of the Department of Justice memo, you will see a plot to crash a plane into a Los Angeles building and a plot to build and detonate a "dirty bomb" in Washington D.C. were foiled because of the waterboarding.

All other measures failed to get the information from them.

When asked about terrorist attacks they answered ominously "soon you will know", taunting the interrogators.

http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/olc_05302005_bradbury.pdf