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Hey, Soaring--did you ever actually read the articles appearing in this Newsweek issue? Here is just the opener, and it makes much more sense than your simple innuendo of using the cover as your avatar.

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We Are All Socialists Now

Jon Meacham and Evan Thomas
NEWSWEEK

From the magazine issue dated Feb 16, 2009

The interview was nearly over. on the Fox News Channel last Wednesday evening, Sean Hannity was coming to the end of a segment with Indiana Congressman Mike Pence, the chair of the House Republican Conference and a vociferous foe of President Obama's nearly $1 trillion stimulus bill. How, Pence had asked rhetorically, was $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts going to put people back to work in Indiana? How would $20 million for "fish passage barriers" (a provision to pay for the removal of barriers in rivers and streams so that fish could migrate freely) help create jobs? Hannity could not have agreed more. "It is … the European Socialist Act of 2009," the host said, signing off. "We're counting on you to stop it. Thank you, congressman."

There it was, just before the commercial: the S word, a favorite among conservatives since John McCain began using it during the presidential campaign. (Remember Joe the Plumber? Sadly, so do we.) But it seems strangely beside the point. The U.S. government has already—under a conservative Republican administration—effectively nationalized the banking and mortgage industries. That seems a stronger sign of socialism than $50 million for art. Whether we want to admit it or not—and many, especially Congressman Pence and Hannity, do not—the America of 2009 is moving toward a modern European state.

We remain a center-right nation in many ways—particularly culturally, and our instinct, once the crisis passes, will be to try to revert to a more free-market style of capitalism—but it was, again, under a conservative GOP administration that we enacted the largest expansion of the welfare state in 30 years: prescription drugs for the elderly. People on the right and the left want government to invest in alternative energies in order to break our addiction to foreign oil. And it is unlikely that even the reddest of states will decline federal money for infrastructural improvements.

If we fail to acknowledge the reality of the growing role of government in the economy, insisting instead on fighting 21st-century wars with 20th-century terms and tactics, then we are doomed to a fractious and unedifying debate. The sooner we understand where we truly stand, the sooner we can think more clearly about how to use government in today's world.

As the Obama administration presses the largest fiscal bill in American history, caps the salaries of executives at institutions receiving federal aid at $500,000 and introduces a new plan to rescue the banking industry, the unemployment rate is at its highest in 16 years. The Dow has slumped to 1998 levels, and last year mortgage foreclosures rose 81 percent.

All of this is unfolding in an economy that can no longer be understood, even in passing, as the Great Society vs. the Gipper. Whether we like it or not—or even whether many people have thought much about it or not—the numbers clearly suggest that we are headed in a more European direction. A decade ago U.S. government spending was 34.3 percent of GDP, compared with 48.2 percent in the euro zone—a roughly 14-point gap, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. In 2010 U.S. spending is expected to be 39.9 percent of GDP, compared with 47.1 percent in the euro zone—a gap of less than 8 points. As entitlement spending rises over the next decade, we will become even more French.

This is not to say that berets will be all the rage this spring, or that Obama has promised a croissant in every toaster oven. But the simple fact of the matter is that the political conversation, which shifts from time to time, has shifted anew, and for the foreseeable future Americans will be more engaged with questions about how to manage a mixed economy than about whether we should have one.

The architect of this new era of big government? History has a sense of humor, for the man who laid the foundations for the world Obama now rules is George W. Bush, who moved to bail out the financial sector last autumn with $700 billion.

Bush brought the Age of Reagan to a close; now Obama has gone further, reversing Bill Clinton's end of big government. The story, as always, is complicated. Polls show that Americans don't trust government and still don't want big government. They do, however, want what government delivers, like health care and national defense and, now, protections from banking and housing failure. During the roughly three decades since Reagan made big government the enemy and "liberal" an epithet, government did not shrink. It grew. But the economy grew just as fast, so government as a percentage of GDP remained about the same. Much of that economic growth was real, but for the past five years or so, it has borne a suspicious resemblance to Bernie Madoff's stock fund. Americans have been living high on borrowed money (the savings rate dropped from 7.6 percent in 1992 to less than zero in 2005) while financiers built castles in the air.

Now comes the reckoning. The answer may indeed be more government. In the short run, since neither consumers nor business is likely to do it, the government will have to stimulate the economy. And in the long run, an aging population and global warming and higher energy costs will demand more government taxing and spending. The catch is that more government intrusion in the economy will almost surely limit growth (as it has in Europe, where a big welfare state has caused chronic high unemployment). Growth has always been America's birthright and saving grace.

The Obama administration is caught in a paradox. It must borrow and spend to fix a crisis created by too much borrowing and spending. Having pumped the economy up with a stimulus, the president will have to cut the growth of entitlement spending by holding down health care and retirement costs and still invest in ways that will produce long-term growth. Obama talks of the need for smart government. To get the balance between America and France right, the new president will need all the smarts he can summon.

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No one LIKES it, but it is what it is, and turning the situation around will take just as much time as it did getting to where it is now, if not longer.
 
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God help you honey but you just can't seem to write a post unless it's to say.. "Well George Bush....". Practice this. George Bush is no longer the POTUS. George Bush is no longer the POTUS. You keep saying it and eventually it'll sink in.

I challenge you to do a search of my screen name and find how many times I mention George W. Bush. But ya know what? So what? Feeling a little guilty are we?

I wish to hell I had saved thread after thread of commentary such as yours when Bush was running for reelection where Bill Clinton was blamed for every goddamned dumb/costly/party-first-America-last thing George W. Bush did during his first term. How quickly we forgot, eh?


Feeling guilty? Can you clarify what you mean by that? Not having voted for Obama, I'm not feeling any guilt at all. You support him so you can own any guilt accrued by his mistakes. You might find however, that you get better results if you support Obama's policies rather than attempting to excuse his mistakes by pointing out the mistakes of others. I'm just sayin'.

I do that time and again, pal. Pay attention. The ONLY time I bring in Bush is when I see some stupid hypocrite yammering away about Obama when Bush had done the same thing. The ONLY time--unless a thread is an occasional reach back to the Iraq war when Obama wasn't even in the equation.
 
I challenge you to do a search of my screen name and find how many times I mention George W. Bush. But ya know what? So what? Feeling a little guilty are we?

I wish to hell I had saved thread after thread of commentary such as yours when Bush was running for reelection where Bill Clinton was blamed for every goddamned dumb/costly/party-first-America-last thing George W. Bush did during his first term. How quickly we forgot, eh?


Feeling guilty? Can you clarify what you mean by that? Not having voted for Obama, I'm not feeling any guilt at all. You support him so you can own any guilt accrued by his mistakes. You might find however, that you get better results if you support Obama's policies rather than attempting to excuse his mistakes by pointing out the mistakes of others. I'm just sayin'.

I do that time and again, pal. Pay attention. The ONLY time I bring in Bush is when I see some stupid hypocrite yammering away about Obama when Bush had done the same thing. The ONLY time--unless a thread is an occasional reach back to the Iraq war when Obama wasn't even in the equation.
how do you know those same people you call hypocrites didnt bitch about Bush doing it as well?


you DONT
 
Know what Maggie, you're right! It is all crapola and I don't own any of it.

But the fact that newly presidented Barry is so deeply discounted . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe people are working on their basic buying ignorance and realizing that junk is a ripoff. Or maybe people can easily imprint their own graphics on stuff from the privacy of their own homes these days. OR maybe all those polling numbers showing Obama's popularity still high are all made up by that evil MSM, in spite of the pile of crap on his plate from the getgo, and in spite of you and yours' best efforts to bring him down. Ya think?

Or maybe people are wising up to Barry's antics. :lol:
 
I bitched about Bush. Bring the troops home I said. Where are the troops now? Still where they were when the brush was president, and more have been deployed to Afgan than during the Brush's term. The current president hasn't done jack shit other than what was ongoing during the Bush admimistration. Obama is a liar.
 
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God help you honey but you just can't seem to write a post unless it's to say.. "Well George Bush....". Practice this. George Bush is no longer the POTUS. George Bush is no longer the POTUS. You keep saying it and eventually it'll sink in.

I challenge you to do a search of my screen name and find how many times I mention George W. Bush. But ya know what? So what? Feeling a little guilty are we?

I wish to hell I had saved thread after thread of commentary such as yours when Bush was running for reelection where Bill Clinton was blamed for every goddamned dumb/costly/party-first-America-last thing George W. Bush did during his first term. How quickly we forgot, eh?

Oh I think we'll remember what Barry is doing for a long, long time to come.
 
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought... license plates. I wonder how long it will be before the Great State of Florida begins offering license plates honoring this President. Any bets, Illinois will be the first? Hawaii? Kenya? Okay... that last one was just thrown in because I have been drinking. :lol:

Immie
 

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