Obama panders to religious right

[Ravi]

Sigh.

I wonder if by expanding participation to smaller groups he's talking about Muslims.

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Barack Obama said Tuesday that if he were elected president he would have his own version of President Bush's office of faith-based initiatives that would ''help set our national agenda'' and inject morality into policy debates about everything from AIDS to genocide.
Obama, who has criticized Bush's initiative as politicized and underfunded, would prohibit religious discrimination in hiring or services by the groups that received federal funds from his ''Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.'' He estimated that the program would cost about $500 million per year.


He said he would keep Bush's 11 faith-based offices and expand participation by smaller religious groups.

Obama vows to amend faith-based program - 07/02/2008 - MiamiHerald.com

 

[doeton]

perhaps as long as they don't do that fist deal.

 

[Anguille]

Sigh.

I wonder if by expanding participation to smaller groups he's talking about Muslims.

Obama vows to amend faith-based program - 07/02/2008 - MiamiHerald.com

As a friend of mine remarked, " Obama was greeted in some corners as the second coming and now he IS the second coming.... no great news there... and he is simply conducting
his campaign by creating loaves and fishes for a vast multitude, and they will be kosher and accompanied by Maneschewitz Wine in South Florida and served with Miracle Whip and Wonder Bread in Central Pennsylvania and Ohio...".

 

[Charles_Main]

Just more proof that non of us know who Obama is. The man says what ever he thinks the current people he is talking to wants to hear.

Charles

 

[dilloduck]

Just more proof that non of us know who Obama is. The man says what ever he thinks the current people he is talking to wants to hear.

Charles

Politics as usual. Instead of bitching about the only 2 parties that America thinks they have to choose from we should be demanding something REALLY new. I'm beginning to think Americans love to be political victims and forget who is responsible for putting and keeping these idiots in office.

 

[Charles_Main]

Politics as usual. Instead of bitching about the only 2 parties that America thinks they have to choose from we should be demanding something REALLY new. I'm beginning to think Americans love to be political victims and forget who is responsible for putting and keeping these idiots in office.

Well I have been calling for people to not vote for Either party and instead vote for the lesser party of their choice, or even right in someone, but people just call me an idiot for that IDea.

I still think it is the only way we will ever see real change.

 

[Jeepers]

Brilliant play... even the conservatives are raving about this. Those that this move bothers are still going to vote for Obama... He could have the best of intentions but if he doesnt get the vote, he doesnt win... Many people still vote with their bible and now hes picked up some of that vote. Hell, maybe hes seen first hand that there are some advantages to having a social aid organization that bandys a little Jesus about...

 

[Ravi]

What makes it brilliant, exactly? I find it pretty disturbing.

But Obama's main message was the government's duty to address what he said are "moral problems" - such as war, poverty, joblessness, homelessness, violent streets, and crumbling schools - and to employ religious institutions to do it.

Obama cites faith as key to change - The Boston Globe

 

[Gunny]

Well I have been calling for people to not vote for Either party and instead vote for the lesser party of their choice, or even right in someone, but people just call me an idiot for that IDea.

I still think it is the only way we will ever see real change.

I think calling YOU an idiot for the idea is a bit strong. It has merit; however, it is not realistic nor practical. The only impact a third party candidate has had in any recent (relatively speaking) election is a negative one for one party or the other. It does not alter the end result, and the cronies in power that be breathe a collective sigh of relief, forget it two seconds later and go about business as usual having learned nothing. They don't care about "why", only the end result.

Then there's the fact that no matter what "change" is promised, it's nothing but bullshit. A third party candidate has about as much chance of making any real and substantial change as a Washington outsider. The fat, lazy, ineffectual wusses collectively known as Congress would have to be voted out as well, and there just aren't enough third party candidates to effect such a change even if someone could convince the sheeple there is more than just a "D" or an "R" in politics. The status quo will be maintained, "Mr Change" will have the rug pulled out from under his feet by the self-serving and self-perpetuating bureaucracy.

 

[Gunny]

What makes it brilliant, exactly? I find it pretty disturbing.
Obama cites faith as key to change - The Boston Globe

Barack Obama called "active faith" an obligation of religious Americans and a chief agent of societal change in a speech yesterday at the national meeting of a black church group.

Stopping for about two hours in St. Louis, the Democratic presidential nominee implored thousands of members of the African Methodist Episcopal Church, one of the nation's largest and most politically active black denominations, to help fix national and local ills.

As I have tried to point out more than once, Obama attends (or attended for over 20 years) a church that does not divorce its politics from its religion. The VERY thing certain fearmongering individuals will start accusing a Republican of if he just says the words "God" or "church."

Yet, here it is in black and white. The very thing the left has been accusing the right of for years coming out of the lips of their "chosen one" and the nonparticipation in this thread is staggering.

 

[CharlestonChad]

The very thing the left has been accusing the right of for years coming out of the lips of their "chosen one" and the nonparticipation in this thread is staggering.

To be honest with you, the nonparticipation comes from your own faults. You can't cry wolf 5 times a week with "obama=muslim,communist,terrorist,racist,sexist, socialist, ect" bullshit and actually expect us to want to engage in an argument about whether Obama is pandering to the religious right. Make up your fucking mind about which lies you want to spread.

 

[Ravi]

As I have tried to point out more than once, Obama attends (or attended for over 20 years) a church that does not divorce its politics from its religion. The VERY thing certain fearmongering individuals will start accusing a Republican of if he just says the words "God" or "church."

Yet, here it is in black and white. The very thing the left has been accusing the right of for years coming out of the lips of their "chosen one" and the nonparticipation in this thread is staggering.

I agree. It's the biggest hypocrisy imaginable for a Democrat - giving tax money to religious organizations. While it may not technically violate the constitution, I'm pretty sure it creates a huge loophole to do just that. Give money to a church, and they use it for their "good" works, while their money raised from attendees is used to do whatever they please - buy a new sound system for their church, make anti-war videos for distribution, make anti-gay videos for distribution.

It made me sick when Bush dreamed up the idea and it makes me even sicker that Obama plans to continue and expand it. And since the Dems seem willing to give him carte blanche on everything, where does it end? How are the Democrats any different than the Republicans?

 

[Gunny]

To be honest with you, the nonparticipation comes from your own faults. You can't cry wolf 5 times a week with "obama=muslim,communist,terrorist,racist,sexist, socialist, ect" bullshit and actually expect us to want to engage in an argument about whether Obama is pandering to the religious right. Make up your fucking mind about which lies you want to spread.

How is this MY "own faults?" I haven't cried anything, nor have I accused him of anything more than his own actions and words support.

For your edification: I have not once called him a muslim, communist, racist terrorist, nor sexist, and most definitely have not once called him an et cetera.

Your attempt to deflect by attacking me with an unloaded weapon is duly noted and rejected. I am idealogically opposed to his leftwing ideology, and my primary concern from the beginning has been his relationship with a church and a pastor that do not keep their politics separate from their religion.

Which, btw, would be the topic of this thread.

The truth of the matter is, most of you Democrats/liberals are turning a blind eye to his doing the exact same thing you've been fearmongering about the GOP/conservatives doing for years.

It's really not any tougher to figure out than THAT.

 

[Jeepers]

To be honest with you, the nonparticipation comes from your own faults. You can't cry wolf 5 times a week with "obama=muslim,communist,terrorist,racist,sexist, socialist, ect" bullshit and actually expect us to want to engage in an argument about whether Obama is pandering to the religious right. Make up your fucking mind about which lies you want to spread.

Fukin A charleston.. Which charleston are you from...


Okay.. Obama was a comunity organizer... he knows that there is value in religious help groups.. he is not pandering. He is just applying what he knows.. this is the sign of a great man. Not the pandering politician that you right fucks are trying to paint him as...

btw.. I am part of the atheist crowd...

 

[CharlestonChad]

How is this MY "own faults?" I haven't cried anything, nor have I accused him of anything more than his own actions and words support.

For your edification: I have not once called him a muslim, communist, racist terrorist, nor sexist, and most definitely have not once called him an et cetera.

Your attempt to deflect by attacking me with an unloaded weapon is duly noted and rejected. I am idealogically opposed to his leftwing ideology, and my primary concern from the beginning has been his relationship with a church and a pastor that do not keep their politics separate from their religion.

Which, btw, would be the topic of this thread.

The truth of the matter is, most of you Democrats/liberals are turning a blind eye to his doing the exact same thing you've been fearmongering about the GOP/conservatives doing for years.

It's really not any tougher to figure out than THAT.

"You" references YOU, half the anchors on Fox, and the USMB neocons. Everyday your people throw shit on the wall, and everyday the shit don't stick. Now you've gotten to the point where you want to compare bush and obama. Republican politics are a joke. If obama really is as untouchable as it's looking like, then this might be an FDR'esq November.

 

[CharlestonChad]

Fukin A charleston.. Which charleston are you from...


Okay.. Obama was a comunity organizer... he knows that there is value in religious help groups.. he is not pandering. He is just applying what he knows.. this is the sign of a great man. Not the pandering politician that you right fucks are trying to paint him as...

btw.. I am part of the atheist crowd...

I'm in SouthCarolina.

 

[Jeepers]

I'm in SouthCarolina.

Hey ya neighbor... I am actually south of broad, south of the ashley too however. That would put me square in the middle of James Island...

 

[CharlestonChad]

Hey ya neighbor... I am actually south of broad, south of the ashley too however. That would put me square in the middle of James Island...

cool. i'm downtown