Obama on Gaza Attacks

[Annie]

I'd like you to present something more of substance then name calling if you want to argue with me!

Shoot away!

Do you have something to say, add? Failure to see it so far.

 

[AmericaFirst]

[ wall - Google Search=

looks like the only place there was a wall, was between gaza and egypt

Umm.. I said maybe a wall should be built around Obama and his little girls. I also said that maybe Obama's home needs bulldozed and his children's water, electricity, medical aid should be taken from them.

Then you, not addressing my point asked about the illegal wall the jews built. I supplied the information to you.

Feel better?

 

[AmericaFirst]

ok, if both Israel and Egypt had them blockaded, they still have the Mediteranean where they could get supplies if they would use the aid they get for actual construction instead of trying to kill Israelis

also, they could feed themselves if they hadnt destroyed that greenhouse that the Israelis REBUILT and refurbished for them before they pulled out, but NO, they had to totally destroy that because a Jew touched it


you are a fucking moron

The jews patrol the coast! It is called GENOCIDE.

The jews have destroyed nearly all their crops, almost all the acres of olive trees are gone.

I know nothing of the greenhouse. Have a link?

 

[AmericaFirst]

Do you have something to say, add? Failure to see it so far.

Great! I will now ignore you!

 

[Annie]

The jews patrol the coast! It is called GENOCIDE.

The jews have destroyed nearly all their crops, almost all the acres of olive trees are gone.

I know nothing of the greenhouse. Have a link?

Troll.

 

[jakbo]

Or maybe Gaza could get fuel, medical supply, electricity and water from EGYPT and NOT Israel, especially when the very people who are giving Gaza those supplies are being targetted by rockets you fucking idiot!

If I were to say to anyone on here: You must share your food, gas, and supplies with the very people who are trying to kill your family, no one on here would think twice about what kind of assinine statement that is. But since Israel stopped doing exactly that, well Israel is a terrorist country!

Fucking idiots.

I'm sorry, but you're the fucking idiot in this conversation.

 

[DiveCon]

The jews patrol the coast! It is called GENOCIDE.

The jews have destroyed nearly all their crops, almost all the acres of olive trees are gone.

I know nothing of the greenhouse. Have a link?

oh brother
you are a total moron
go back to stormfront

 

[AmericaFirst]

oh brother
you are a total moron
go back to stormfront

Stormfront? You mean zionistfront? I'll leave the racism to you.

Olive trees - Uprooting Olive Trees

IMF Patrolling the coast

AFP: Israeli blockade grounds Gaza fishermen

::..Free Gaza..::

So where is the info on that greenhouse?

YouTube - Israeli Conscientious Objectors, Shministim, Send letter www.december18th.org

 

[DiveCon]

Stormfront? You mean zionistfront? I'll leave the racism to you.

Olive trees - Uprooting Olive Trees

IMF Patrolling the coast

AFP: Israeli blockade grounds Gaza fishermen

::..Free Gaza..::

So where is the info on that greenhouse?

YouTube - Israeli Conscientious Objectors, Shministim, Send letter www.december18th.org

Greenhouse project endangered in Gaza - The Boston Globe

there ya go, moron

 

[AmericaFirst]

Greenhouse project endangered in Gaza - The Boston Globe

there ya go, moron

You call me a moron when the article CLEARLY SAYS THE JEW SETTLERS DISMANTLED THE GREENHOUSES!

What does that make you?

 

[DiveCon]

You call me a moron when the article CLEARLY SAYS THE JEW SETTLERS DISMANTLED THE GREENHOUSES!

What does that make you?

read it again, moron
SOME jewish settlers dismantled their OWN greenhouses
not the larger refurbiushed ones
the palis did that

 

[AmericaFirst]

read it again, moron
SOME jewish settlers dismantled their OWN greenhouses
not the larger refurbiushed ones
the palis did that

I read it and found you are a liar. Please stick with facts when arguing with me.

" The refurbished greenhouses shine amid the rubble of Kfar Darom, a former Jewish settlement, embodying the hope that Israel's withdrawal from Gaza will drive an economic revival of this desperately poor and crowded urban strip.

Hundreds of Palestinian workers have been hired to fix up the 3,200 greenhouses in Gaza that donors bought from departing settlers and gave to the Palestinian Authority.

So far, the effort has yielded mixed results: Palestinian firms have risen to the occasion, repairing greenhouses sabotaged by departing settlers and by Palestinian looters. Some already have been planted with crops of mint, tomatoes, and lettuce and are expected to yield harvests in November.

But problems with security, obstacles to the free passage of goods through Israel, and the limited water supply -- along with pervasive corruption in the Palestinian Authority -- threaten the success of the greenhouse project and the entire Gaza economy.

The greenhouses offered a rare example of cooperation among Israelis and Palestinians during the pullout in August. James Wolfensohn, the former World Bank president who is serving as a Middle East envoy, hammered out the deal to buy the greenhouses. He even gave half a million dollars of his own money to the donor group that spent $14 million for them.

But Israel still controls Gaza's borders, and it has yet to approve an agreement that would open up a reliable channel to ship goods out of the strip, despite continuing negotiations mediated by Wolfensohn's team. Two weeks ago, Wolfensohn criticized Israel in a letter to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, saying it was ''almost acting as though there has been no withdrawal" with its policy of continuing to seal off Gaza and delaying talks. Wolfensohn is a special envoy for the quartet of Middle East mediators -- the United Nations, the United States, the European Union, and Russia.

Without a guaranteed path to send Gaza's high-end vegetables and flowers onto the world market, Palestinian officials and international specialists said, the greenhouse project will wither on the vine. They warn that the enterprise, projected to generate $30 million to $100 million in annual revenues for the Palestinian Authority, will dwindle as perishable cargo rots inside Gaza's sealed borders.

The key to Gaza's economic success is the flow of goods across the border, said William Taylor, the top US adviser to Wolfensohn. Currently there is only one shipping point, at Karni Crossing between Israel and Gaza. On average, 35 trucks a day pass through the crossing, but the Israelis often close the border without notice because of security concerns or technical difficulties.

Karni was closed for 14 days from late September to early October, and the security procedures -- spreading out perishable cargoes of vegetables or seafood on sun-exposed tarmac for inspection -- mean that routinely 10 percent or more of a shipment is spoiled before it even leaves Gaza.

The greenhouse project, Taylor said, could push Israelis to change their practices at the crossing.

If the produce from the greenhouses can reach markets outside of Gaza, Taylor said, the profits would attract investment in other sectors of the Gaza economy such as furniture manufacturing and clothing factories.

A month after the last Israeli soldiers left Gaza, Palestinians have begun planting some of the greenhouses at the former settlements of Kfar Darom and Netzarim, once flashpoints in the conflict. The settlers' houses now stand in piles of rubble, demolished by Israeli soldiers, as part of the disengagement deal. The sites are guarded by a few dozen Palestinian soldiers who try to fend off looters who destroyed about 10 percent of the greenhouse infrastructure after the Israelis left."

 

[Annie]

I read it and found you are a liar. Please stick with facts when arguing with me.

" The refurbished greenhouses shine amid the rubble of Kfar Darom, a former Jewish settlement, embodying the hope that Israel's withdrawal from Gaza will drive an economic revival of this desperately poor and crowded urban strip.

Hundreds of Palestinian workers have been hired to fix up the 3,200 greenhouses in Gaza that donors bought from departing settlers and gave to the Palestinian Authority.

So far, the effort has yielded mixed results: Palestinian firms have risen to the occasion, repairing greenhouses sabotaged by departing settlers and by Palestinian looters. Some already have been planted with crops of mint, tomatoes, and lettuce and are expected to yield harvests in November.

But problems with security, obstacles to the free passage of goods through Israel, and the limited water supply -- along with pervasive corruption in the Palestinian Authority -- threaten the success of the greenhouse project and the entire Gaza economy.

The greenhouses offered a rare example of cooperation among Israelis and Palestinians during the pullout in August. James Wolfensohn, the former World Bank president who is serving as a Middle East envoy, hammered out the deal to buy the greenhouses. He even gave half a million dollars of his own money to the donor group that spent $14 million for them.

But Israel still controls Gaza's borders, and it has yet to approve an agreement that would open up a reliable channel to ship goods out of the strip, despite continuing negotiations mediated by Wolfensohn's team. Two weeks ago, Wolfensohn criticized Israel in a letter to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, saying it was ''almost acting as though there has been no withdrawal" with its policy of continuing to seal off Gaza and delaying talks. Wolfensohn is a special envoy for the quartet of Middle East mediators -- the United Nations, the United States, the European Union, and Russia.

Without a guaranteed path to send Gaza's high-end vegetables and flowers onto the world market, Palestinian officials and international specialists said, the greenhouse project will wither on the vine. They warn that the enterprise, projected to generate $30 million to $100 million in annual revenues for the Palestinian Authority, will dwindle as perishable cargo rots inside Gaza's sealed borders.

The key to Gaza's economic success is the flow of goods across the border, said William Taylor, the top US adviser to Wolfensohn. Currently there is only one shipping point, at Karni Crossing between Israel and Gaza. On average, 35 trucks a day pass through the crossing, but the Israelis often close the border without notice because of security concerns or technical difficulties.

Karni was closed for 14 days from late September to early October, and the security procedures -- spreading out perishable cargoes of vegetables or seafood on sun-exposed tarmac for inspection -- mean that routinely 10 percent or more of a shipment is spoiled before it even leaves Gaza.

The greenhouse project, Taylor said, could push Israelis to change their practices at the crossing.

If the produce from the greenhouses can reach markets outside of Gaza, Taylor said, the profits would attract investment in other sectors of the Gaza economy such as furniture manufacturing and clothing factories.

A month after the last Israeli soldiers left Gaza, Palestinians have begun planting some of the greenhouses at the former settlements of Kfar Darom and Netzarim, once flashpoints in the conflict. The settlers' houses now stand in piles of rubble, demolished by Israeli soldiers, as part of the disengagement deal. The sites are guarded by a few dozen Palestinian soldiers who try to fend off looters who destroyed about 10 percent of the greenhouse infrastructure after the Israelis left."

What crap. What justification for being losers, which is what are the facts.

 

[DiveCon]

I read it and found you are a liar. Please stick with facts when arguing with me.

" The refurbished greenhouses shine amid the rubble of Kfar Darom, a former Jewish settlement, embodying the hope that Israel's withdrawal from Gaza will drive an economic revival of this desperately poor and crowded urban strip.

Hundreds of Palestinian workers have been hired to fix up the 3,200 greenhouses in Gaza that donors bought from departing settlers and gave to the Palestinian Authority.

So far, the effort has yielded mixed results: Palestinian firms have risen to the occasion, repairing greenhouses sabotaged by departing settlers and by Palestinian looters. Some already have been planted with crops of mint, tomatoes, and lettuce and are expected to yield harvests in November.

But problems with security, obstacles to the free passage of goods through Israel, and the limited water supply -- along with pervasive corruption in the Palestinian Authority -- threaten the success of the greenhouse project and the entire Gaza economy.

The greenhouses offered a rare example of cooperation among Israelis and Palestinians during the pullout in August. James Wolfensohn, the former World Bank president who is serving as a Middle East envoy, hammered out the deal to buy the greenhouses. He even gave half a million dollars of his own money to the donor group that spent $14 million for them.

But Israel still controls Gaza's borders, and it has yet to approve an agreement that would open up a reliable channel to ship goods out of the strip, despite continuing negotiations mediated by Wolfensohn's team. Two weeks ago, Wolfensohn criticized Israel in a letter to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, saying it was ''almost acting as though there has been no withdrawal" with its policy of continuing to seal off Gaza and delaying talks. Wolfensohn is a special envoy for the quartet of Middle East mediators -- the United Nations, the United States, the European Union, and Russia.

Without a guaranteed path to send Gaza's high-end vegetables and flowers onto the world market, Palestinian officials and international specialists said, the greenhouse project will wither on the vine. They warn that the enterprise, projected to generate $30 million to $100 million in annual revenues for the Palestinian Authority, will dwindle as perishable cargo rots inside Gaza's sealed borders.

The key to Gaza's economic success is the flow of goods across the border, said William Taylor, the top US adviser to Wolfensohn. Currently there is only one shipping point, at Karni Crossing between Israel and Gaza. On average, 35 trucks a day pass through the crossing, but the Israelis often close the border without notice because of security concerns or technical difficulties.

Karni was closed for 14 days from late September to early October, and the security procedures -- spreading out perishable cargoes of vegetables or seafood on sun-exposed tarmac for inspection -- mean that routinely 10 percent or more of a shipment is spoiled before it even leaves Gaza.

The greenhouse project, Taylor said, could push Israelis to change their practices at the crossing.

If the produce from the greenhouses can reach markets outside of Gaza, Taylor said, the profits would attract investment in other sectors of the Gaza economy such as furniture manufacturing and clothing factories.

A month after the last Israeli soldiers left Gaza, Palestinians have begun planting some of the greenhouses at the former settlements of Kfar Darom and Netzarim, once flashpoints in the conflict. The settlers' houses now stand in piles of rubble, demolished by Israeli soldiers, as part of the disengagement deal. The sites are guarded by a few dozen Palestinian soldiers who try to fend off looters who destroyed about 10 percent of the greenhouse infrastructure after the Israelis left."

hey moron, it was right at the top for you
how did you miss it

(Correction: Because of a reporting error, a Page One story Monday about greenhouses in former Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip stated that Israeli settlers sabotaged greenhouses before withdrawing from Gaza in August. The article should have said some settlers dismantled their own greenhouses before leaving, and that Palestinians looted some greenhouses after the Israelis withdrew. A Palestinian official, Mahmoud Abu Samra, asserted to the reporter that Israelis had sabotaged some greenhouses, but he did not provide evidence to substantiate the allegation.)

 

[DiveCon]

What crap. What justification for being losers, which is what are the facts.

he didnt post the important CORRECTION

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

"If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that," ... "And I would expect Israelis to do the same thing"

clear and well-said, something we haven't seen in a pres. for 8 years

link please

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

"If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that," ... "And I would expect Israelis to do the same thing"

clear and well-said, something we haven't seen in a pres. for 8 years

psssssssssst...

WASHINGTON: When President-elect Barack Obama visited Israel in July - to the very town, in fact, whose repeated shelling culminated in new fighting in Gaza this weekend - he all but endorsed the punishing Israeli attacks now unfolding.

"If somebody was sending rockets into my house, where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that," he told reporters in Sderot, a small city on the edge of Gaza that has been attacked repeatedly by rocket fire. "And I would expect Israelis to do the same thing."

Now, Obama's presidency will begin facing the consequences of just such a counterattack, one of Israel's deadliest against Palestinians in decades, presenting him with yet another foreign crisis to deal with the moment he steps into the White House on Jan. 20, even as he and his advisers have struggled mightily to focus on the country's economic problems.

Since his election, Obama has said little specific about his foreign policy - in contrast to more expansive remarks about the economy. He and his advisers have deferred questions - critics could say, ducked them - by saying that until Jan. 20, only President George W. Bush would speak for the nation as president and commander in chief. "The fact is that there is only one president at a time," David Axelrod, Obama's senior adviser, said Sunday on CBS, reiterating a phrase that has become a mantra of the transition. "And that president now is George Bush."

Obama, vacationing in Hawaii, talked to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Saturday. "But the Bush administration has to speak for America now," Axelrod said. "And it wouldn't be appropriate for me to opine on these matters." As the fighting in Gaza shows, however, events in the world do not necessarily wait for Inauguration Day in the United States.

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"...Obama has not suggested he has any better ideas than Bush had to resolve the existential conflict between the Israelis and Hamas, the Palestinian movement that controls Gaza."

 

[DiveCon]

Looters strip Gaza greenhouses - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Looters strip Gaza greenhouses - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com

how about...

Loser misrepresents Gaza greenhouses incident- Mideast/N. Africa - usmb.com

what?

 

[AmericaFirst]

Looters strip Gaza greenhouses - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com

They looted the greenhouses because of the starvation from genocide. You should try thinking into the problem rather then following the mass media propaganda.

Please see - Bias and Distorted Media Coverage of Israel/Palestine