Obama on cusp of winning Iran nuclear vote

[Redfish]

Yep, and I remember the Democrat appeasers telling us how a treaty with North Korea would make us safer.

“This is a good deal for the United States,” said President Clinton. “North Korea will freeze and then dismantle its nuclear program. South Korea and our other allies will be better protected. The entire world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons.”

Media flashback: Clinton’s nuclear deal with North Korea - Hot Air

This whole agreement collapsed in 2002, when the CIA discovered that North Korea was secretly enriching uranium for further weapons production. The country, which also carried the title of virtually being the world’s largest prison, not only kept the nuclear weapons it already had at the time–which estimates said was to be just one–but they built more (shocker) and the geopolitical situation in Asia hasn’t changed.

As I explained earlier, N Korea has a unique situation where they can actually starve their people to death just to defy sanctions. Iran is a different story, they came to negotiation table precisely because their citizens were getting impatient over the continued economic hardships they are experiencing over sanctions. They are now in a very difficult spot since they blamed everything on the sanctions, the ball will be in their court now and they will have no excuse.

So why are we settling for the "best" deal that Obama says we can get? It certainly seems as if, what you say is true, they are ready to negotiate and we, the world, should be dictating to THEM the terms. And getting those Americans they have in prison release, at the very least.

Don't you always settle for the best deal you can get?

What do we gain from walking away? What is your alternate reality?

NO, you do not settle for the best deal you can get. Sometimes you just walk away. Its called negotiations, there can be no deal if one party refuses to compromise. The Iranians refused to compromise on anything. They kicked Kerry's sorry ass.

Send Trump or Fiorino into the negotiation, then you would get deal that was good for the USA and the Iranians.

The deal that Kerry made was a surrender agreement.

OK

Explain your alternate reality if we walk away. How does walking away keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?

Keep the sanctions in place. Break them economically. Give help to the sane opposition in Iran. Help them take down the crazy ayotollahs. Then give Israel. Saudi Arabia, and Jordan the green light to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.

Its called dealing from strength and having balls. Concepts that are totally foreign to pussy libs like you and obozo.

 

[Redfish]

A real US president would also sit down with Putin and explain that the crazy religious zealots in Iran and Syria are a danger to both countries and the world. If you want a deal, make one with Putin to destroy ISIS and the Iranian terrorist regime.

 

[rightwinger]

As I explained earlier, N Korea has a unique situation where they can actually starve their people to death just to defy sanctions. Iran is a different story, they came to negotiation table precisely because their citizens were getting impatient over the continued economic hardships they are experiencing over sanctions. They are now in a very difficult spot since they blamed everything on the sanctions, the ball will be in their court now and they will have no excuse.

So why are we settling for the "best" deal that Obama says we can get? It certainly seems as if, what you say is true, they are ready to negotiate and we, the world, should be dictating to THEM the terms. And getting those Americans they have in prison release, at the very least.

Don't you always settle for the best deal you can get?

What do we gain from walking away? What is your alternate reality?

NO, you do not settle for the best deal you can get. Sometimes you just walk away. Its called negotiations, there can be no deal if one party refuses to compromise. The Iranians refused to compromise on anything. They kicked Kerry's sorry ass.

Send Trump or Fiorino into the negotiation, then you would get deal that was good for the USA and the Iranians.

The deal that Kerry made was a surrender agreement.

OK

Explain your alternate reality if we walk away. How does walking away keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?

We deal with those who would supply the technology to Iran, convince them not doing so is in their best interest.

We can do the same thing with the deal in place....what is your real plan?

 

[rightwinger]

A real US president would also sit down with Putin and explain that the crazy religious zealots in Iran and Syria are a danger to both countries and the world. If you want a deal, make one with Putin to destroy ISIS and the Iranian terrorist regime.

Putin already supports the nuclear deal with Iran

 

[Redfish]

A real US president would also sit down with Putin and explain that the crazy religious zealots in Iran and Syria are a danger to both countries and the world. If you want a deal, make one with Putin to destroy ISIS and the Iranian terrorist regime.

Putin already supports the nuclear deal with Iran

Only because its good for Russia and because he knows that obama is a pussy.

Putin is not a stupid man, if his US counterpart was not an idiot the entire world would be a safer place.

 

[rightwinger]

A real US president would also sit down with Putin and explain that the crazy religious zealots in Iran and Syria are a danger to both countries and the world. If you want a deal, make one with Putin to destroy ISIS and the Iranian terrorist regime.

Putin already supports the nuclear deal with Iran

Only because its good for Russia and because he knows that obama is a pussy.

Putin is not a stupid man, if his US counterpart was not an idiot the entire world would be a safer place.

Agree

Not having a nuclear Iran is good for Russia. I can see why Putin supports it

 

[Redfish]

A real US president would also sit down with Putin and explain that the crazy religious zealots in Iran and Syria are a danger to both countries and the world. If you want a deal, make one with Putin to destroy ISIS and the Iranian terrorist regime.

Putin already supports the nuclear deal with Iran

Only because its good for Russia and because he knows that obama is a pussy.

Putin is not a stupid man, if his US counterpart was not an idiot the entire world would be a safer place.

Agree

Not having a nuclear Iran is good for Russia. I can see why Putin supports it

Its about oil and gas, idiot. Russia is not afraid of Iran.

 

[chikenwing]

Any legislation,votes on treaties,or anything that is voted on.that doesn't have at least a small measure of votes from both sides of the fence,from ether party is not representative of the voters,and should be rejected on that alone. It matters not which party has control,lopsided votes like this one looks to and Obama care are good examples of bad work from our elected officials and should be rejected.

 

[Redfish]

Any legislation,votes on treaties,or anything that is voted on.that doesn't have at least a small measure of votes from both sides of the fence,from ether party is not representative of the voters,and should be rejected on that alone. It matters not which party has control,lopsided votes like this one looks to and Obama care are good examples of bad work from our elected officials and should be rejected.

Agree, but much too logical for our far left loons. Just wait for RW's next post. He will find a way to support one party votes like obozocare--------------watch.

 

[JoeB131]

So why are we settling for the "best" deal that Obama says we can get? It certainly seems as if, what you say is true, they are ready to negotiate and we, the world, should be dictating to THEM the terms. And getting those Americans they have in prison released, at the very least.

No, the only issue here was their nuclear program.

We have 43,000 foreign nationals in our prisons. When are going to let them go?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

As I explained earlier, N Korea has a unique situation where they can actually starve their people to death just to defy sanctions. Iran is a different story, they came to negotiation table precisely because their citizens were getting impatient over the continued economic hardships they are experiencing over sanctions. They are now in a very difficult spot since they blamed everything on the sanctions, the ball will be in their court now and they will have no excuse.

So why are we settling for the "best" deal that Obama says we can get? It certainly seems as if, what you say is true, they are ready to negotiate and we, the world, should be dictating to THEM the terms. And getting those Americans they have in prison release, at the very least.

Don't you always settle for the best deal you can get?

What do we gain from walking away? What is your alternate reality?

NO, you do not settle for the best deal you can get. Sometimes you just walk away. Its called negotiations, there can be no deal if one party refuses to compromise. The Iranians refused to compromise on anything. They kicked Kerry's sorry ass.

Send Trump or Fiorino into the negotiation, then you would get deal that was good for the USA and the Iranians.

The deal that Kerry made was a surrender agreement.

OK

Explain your alternate reality if we walk away. How does walking away keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?

Keep the sanctions in place. Break them economically. Give help to the sane opposition in Iran. Help them take down the crazy ayotollahs. Then give Israel. Saudi Arabia, and Jordan the green light to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.

Its called dealing from strength and having balls. Concepts that are totally foreign to pussy libs like you and obozo.

You do understand that the sanctions that were in place were not solely under American control? Without the other nations, I doubt we would have much effect.

 

[rightwinger]

So why are we settling for the "best" deal that Obama says we can get? It certainly seems as if, what you say is true, they are ready to negotiate and we, the world, should be dictating to THEM the terms. And getting those Americans they have in prison release, at the very least.

Don't you always settle for the best deal you can get?

What do we gain from walking away? What is your alternate reality?

NO, you do not settle for the best deal you can get. Sometimes you just walk away. Its called negotiations, there can be no deal if one party refuses to compromise. The Iranians refused to compromise on anything. They kicked Kerry's sorry ass.

Send Trump or Fiorino into the negotiation, then you would get deal that was good for the USA and the Iranians.

The deal that Kerry made was a surrender agreement.

OK

Explain your alternate reality if we walk away. How does walking away keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?

Keep the sanctions in place. Break them economically. Give help to the sane opposition in Iran. Help them take down the crazy ayotollahs. Then give Israel. Saudi Arabia, and Jordan the green light to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.

Its called dealing from strength and having balls. Concepts that are totally foreign to pussy libs like you and obozo.

You do understand that the sanctions that were in place were not solely under American control? Without the other nations, I doubt we would have much effect.

Good point

If we back out, the other nations will lift the sanctions

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Don't you always settle for the best deal you can get?

What do we gain from walking away? What is your alternate reality?

NO, you do not settle for the best deal you can get. Sometimes you just walk away. Its called negotiations, there can be no deal if one party refuses to compromise. The Iranians refused to compromise on anything. They kicked Kerry's sorry ass.

Send Trump or Fiorino into the negotiation, then you would get deal that was good for the USA and the Iranians.

The deal that Kerry made was a surrender agreement.

OK

Explain your alternate reality if we walk away. How does walking away keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?

Keep the sanctions in place. Break them economically. Give help to the sane opposition in Iran. Help them take down the crazy ayotollahs. Then give Israel. Saudi Arabia, and Jordan the green light to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.

Its called dealing from strength and having balls. Concepts that are totally foreign to pussy libs like you and obozo.

You do understand that the sanctions that were in place were not solely under American control? Without the other nations, I doubt we would have much effect.

Good point

If we back out, the other nations will lift the sanctions

Exactly right. That's what started the whole process was others wanting to end sanctions. It really is a good deal for the US.
If you think about it, we gave up nothing and gained 10 years of nuke free Iran. Iran had to give up a lot to get the sanctions lifted.

 

[Bfgrn]

Please post the terms of the secret UN deal that overrides the published deal.

Oh, didn't know about that one? Check it out, fool.

There is no "secret UN deal that overrides the published deal"

Do you really think the UN and the International Atomic Energy Agency are stupid or pawns of Iran? Seriously, this adult shit is too complicated for you...

Statement by IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano | International Atomic Energy Agency

 

[Bfgrn]

So you do agree, that the best deal we could get with NK was a piece of crap not worth the paper it was written on. Then when Bush at least tries to enforce it you are going to blame him, really. Wow, just wow.

What part don't you understand?

Bush administration terminated a supply of fuel oil that was essential to the agreement — and then North Korea quickly kicked out the U.N. inspectors, restarted the nuclear plant and began developing its nuclear weapons...

The failure of the Agreed Framework, not the deal itself, led to North Korea building and testing nuclear weapons.

Translation Bush ENDED the agreement.

Blame Bush for North Korea's Nukes, Part I

South Korean President Kim Dae Jung, elected in 1998, began a "Sunshine Policy" to lessen tensions and build reconciliation between North and South Korea. In June 2000 the North and South Korean leaders held a historic three-day summit in Pyongyang, the first such contact in 50 years. They signed a pact in which they agreed to work toward reunification. Kim Dae Jung was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000.

So here's where we stood when Bush II became President: Kim Jong Il was (and remains) a genuinely horrible leader whose people were starving, and western intelligence agencies at least suspected he was processing uranium. But relations with South Korea were improving, the IAEA was still inspecting, and the plutonium processors were still sealed.

But then there was Bush.

Kim Dae Jung came to Washington in March 2001 to pay respects to the new U.S. President Bush and ask for his support for the Sunshine Policy. And what happened?

Bush dissed him, that's what. The arrogant little twerp snubbed a Nobel Prize winner and friend to America. And when word of the snub reached North Korea, the "Sunshine Policy" died.

The late, great Mary McGrory wrote:

We should perhaps remember that President Bush has never liked talking to Koreans. His first overseas visitor was the estimable Kim Dae Jung, whom Bush snubbed.​

Bush, as he was eager to demonstrate, was not a fan. Kim's sin? He was instituting a sunshine policy with the North, ending a half-century of estrangement. Bush, who looked upon North Korea as the most potent argument for his obsession to build a national missile defense, saw Kim, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, as nothing but trouble. He sent him home humiliated and empty-handed. [McGrory, "Bush's Moonshine Policy," The Washington Post, December 29, 2002; emphasis added].​

As a reaction to Bush's unexpected hard-line stance, North Korea cancelled scheduled reconciliation talks with South Korea.

 

[rightwinger]

Looks like another in a long string of victories for Obama

Does the Republican Congress ever win anything?

 

[Redfish]

So why are we settling for the "best" deal that Obama says we can get? It certainly seems as if, what you say is true, they are ready to negotiate and we, the world, should be dictating to THEM the terms. And getting those Americans they have in prison release, at the very least.

Don't you always settle for the best deal you can get?

What do we gain from walking away? What is your alternate reality?

NO, you do not settle for the best deal you can get. Sometimes you just walk away. Its called negotiations, there can be no deal if one party refuses to compromise. The Iranians refused to compromise on anything. They kicked Kerry's sorry ass.

Send Trump or Fiorino into the negotiation, then you would get deal that was good for the USA and the Iranians.

The deal that Kerry made was a surrender agreement.

OK

Explain your alternate reality if we walk away. How does walking away keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?

Keep the sanctions in place. Break them economically. Give help to the sane opposition in Iran. Help them take down the crazy ayotollahs. Then give Israel. Saudi Arabia, and Jordan the green light to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.

Its called dealing from strength and having balls. Concepts that are totally foreign to pussy libs like you and obozo.

You do understand that the sanctions that were in place were not solely under American control? Without the other nations, I doubt we would have much effect.

Yes. But the USA sets the tone. Maybe the others would not follow, so what? The point is that obama has caved in to the radical muslims. Do you think maybe that was his plan all along?

 

[Redfish]

Looks like another in a long string of victories for Obama

Does the Republican Congress ever win anything?

You are one funny dude. "string of victories" ? are you fricken crazy?

 

[rightwinger]

Looks like another in a long string of victories for Obama

Does the Republican Congress ever win anything?

You are one funny dude. "string of victories" ? are you fricken crazy?

Lets see what Obama has won since Republicans took Congress

Supreme Court once again supported Obamacare
Supreme Court imposes Same Sex Marriage nationwide
Obama imposed immigration reform
Obama recognized Cuba
Nuclear disarmament agreement with Iran

Republicans bragged about their historic victory to take control of Congress....can you remind us what they have accomplished since taking over?

 

[Redfish]

NO, you do not settle for the best deal you can get. Sometimes you just walk away. Its called negotiations, there can be no deal if one party refuses to compromise. The Iranians refused to compromise on anything. They kicked Kerry's sorry ass.

Send Trump or Fiorino into the negotiation, then you would get deal that was good for the USA and the Iranians.

The deal that Kerry made was a surrender agreement.

OK

Explain your alternate reality if we walk away. How does walking away keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?

Keep the sanctions in place. Break them economically. Give help to the sane opposition in Iran. Help them take down the crazy ayotollahs. Then give Israel. Saudi Arabia, and Jordan the green light to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.

Its called dealing from strength and having balls. Concepts that are totally foreign to pussy libs like you and obozo.

You do understand that the sanctions that were in place were not solely under American control? Without the other nations, I doubt we would have much effect.

Good point

If we back out, the other nations will lift the sanctions

Exactly right. That's what started the whole process was others wanting to end sanctions. It really is a good deal for the US.
If you think about it, we gave up nothing and gained 10 years of nuke free Iran. Iran had to give up a lot to get the sanctions lifted.

I will bet you $1000 today that Iran will have a nuclear bomb within 2 years. They are already getting technology from North Korea----------------yeah, north korea, the country that clinton made a deal with that would keep them from getting nukes.

I will never understand how you libs are so gullible and naive.