Obama lays down the fucking law...

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    While the spin doctors rushed to work behind the scenes as soon as it was over, the reality of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's first White House meeting with President Barack Obama was immediately plain for all to see and hear at their joint mini-press conference. This was a meeting of unequals, a meeting in which the head of the world's most powerful nation, however battered of late, firmly asserted its primacy in the face of a supplicant ally, however feisty.

    The president, even as he stressed the "extraordinary relationship" between our two countries - the "stalwart" alliance, the "historical" and "emotional" ties - set out his expectations in polite but unmistakable tones. And the prime minister, his own hopes largely unrealized, was reduced to trying to finesse the stark differences.

    The alternative for Netanyahu, after all, would have been an openly adversarial stance.

    Three potential areas of disagreement were widely and correctly highlighted in advance of this landmark meeting - on the "two-state" solution, on stopping Iran, and on the connection between them. Some analysts, incorrectly, suggested that, allies that we are, the gaps on all three would be papered over. Far from it.

    Thoroughly cognizant of Netanyahu's reluctance to formally endorse a sovereign Palestine, the president reiterated his vision of "a two-state solution in which Israelis and Palestinians are living side-by-side in peace and security."

    No big surprise there. His advisers had made plain in background briefings that he'd stress this commitment.

    But Obama went further, pushing the prime minister to seize a perceived "historic opportunity to get serious movement," referring positively to progress within the Annapolis process so unloved by the new Israeli coalition, criticizing the Israeli economic pressure on Gaza which was leaving Gazans with "no hope," and urging Israel to honor the road map commitment to a settlement freeze.

    "I have great confidence in Prime Minister Netanyahu's political skills, but also [in] his historic vision," said Obama, just a little patronizingly. And then, moving into full-blown teacher-to-pupil mode, he added: "I have great confidence that he is going to rise to the occasion."

    As for Iran, Obama acknowledged dryly that Netanyahu had been "very vocal in his concerns."

    Doubtless he had. The prime minister's advisers had clarified beforehand that he fully intended to focus on Iran and the threat posed by its march to a nuclear weapons capability.

    But such focus notwithstanding, out in public, with Iran doubtless watching closely, Netanyahu heard no deadline from Obama on the limits of engagement, just a vague presidential reference to the notion that, by year's end, the administration "should have some sense" of whether Teheran was responding to his carrots where it had ignored the Bush presidency's rhetorical sticks.

    Worse, Netanyahu heard no presidential mention of the possibility of military action, not even as a last resort. Instead, Obama reached out to the Iranians, saying he sought to "persuade them that it is not in their interest to pursue a nuclear weapon and that they should change course."

    And if they chose to ignore him?

    "We are not foreclosing a range of steps..." said Obama - and here Netanyahu would have been waiting with bated breath, only to be disappointed - "... including much stronger international sanctions."

    Later in the press conference, Obama might even be understood to have lumped Iranian threats against Israel into the same category as Israeli threats against Iran. "We want to achieve a situation where all countries in the region can pursue economic development, commercial ties and trade, and do so without the threat that populations are going to be subject to bombs and destruction," Obama said. "That's what I think the prime minister is interested in. That's what I'm interested in. And I hope that ends up being what the ruling officials in Iran are interested in as well."

    Finally, where Netanyahu holds that there's little prospect of substantive progress with the Palestinians so long as Iran is traveling along the nuclear path and emboldening Hamas and Islamists everywhere, Obama flatly said the opposite.

    "If there is a linkage between Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process," he mused, "I personally believe it actually runs the other way. To the extent that we can make peace with the Palestinians - between the Palestinians and the Israelis - then I actually think it strengthens our hand in the international community in dealing with the potential Iranian threat."


    He elaborated, "Imagine how much less mischief Hizbullah or Hamas could do if, in fact, we had moved a Palestinian-Israeli track in a direction that gave the Palestinian people hope. And if Hizbullah and Hamas [are] weakened, imagine how that impacts Iran's ability to make mischief and vice versa."


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    Obama lays down the law | International | Jerusalem Post

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    So David, what say you of Obama? You still support him?
     
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    Yea, DAVE.. peace isn't as important as purging non-jews from israel, right buddy? Kinda like how we've purged jews from America, eh? Don't you know that your TEAM JERSEY should mean more than common humanity?


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    racist motherfuckers..
     
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    you're an imbecile....



    seriously.
     
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    where is this coming from?
     
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    I'm pointing out Dave's hypocracy in desiring an ethnically pure israel despite living in a pluralistic America. AND, lampooning his concern, and yours it seems, that a pluralistic israel will totally undermine israel as a home for jews (AND palis). Obama is right on this and I applaud his rigid stance when it comes to facing a rather predictable zionist backlash. I'm sure you can imagine what the talk backs at the jpost look like by your prodding of Dave's support for Obama.


    but, if you'd rather just ignore all that and call me an antisemite then feel free.

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    The editorializing in that article is fascinating.
     
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    it's from the Jpost. what the hell else would you expect from them after yesterday's meeting? A fucking fruitbasket for the white house?
     
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    That's certainly change that I HOPE I can believe in!

    Maybe this Obama guy ain't so bad...
     
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    They've made Obama sound like a foppish, arrogant doosh.

    And Soggy laps it up.

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    I heard his actual speech and he supports a two state solution...and he didn't talk down to anyone or imply anything this article claims.
     

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