Obama: Interpol Now Above The Law

[L.K.Eder]

stupid point....we have had and do have cooperation WITHOUT giving them immunity

giving them immunity doesn't give anymore cooperation, that is stupidest thing i've read thing today....what you're saying is, because we don't give our own FBI the same immunity, were are not cooperating with them

no

yes

seriously. times have changed. crime is even more international than in the 80's when reagan signed his exec order introducing the exemptions. maybe the US has now realized that it needs the international data flow. and interpol is not much more than that. to have access to this data flow you have to play by the rules. comparisons to your FBI are irrelevant.

 

[Annie]

Actually times have changed, doesn't matter about right or wrong, just right or left. Right now, left wins. I wouldn't be surprised if change is over with the 2008 election. Sort of like Jesus and Judaism. Those that don't get it, will lose out.

 

[L.K.Eder]

20 years ago today, a US general proclaimed that General Pineapple was relieved of command and seeking custody in the vatican embassy of panama city. the new elected president said after national law they were not required to extradite noriega. guess who cared for that national law, the same guys who cared enough for that national law to invade the country in the first place after having supported the drug trafficker and human rights violator. hahahha

look up operation just cause, orwellian shit, my man

EDIT: yeah, another thing happened 20 years ago, europeans shot a communist dictator and his wife with the cameras rolling.

 

[The Rabbi]

if you don't like the cooperation, leave interpol. no-one forces you to stay in, right? you can't reap the benefits and not cooperate at the same time.

Why not? Interpol doesn't like it, they can leave. They can kiss my American ass while they're at it.
I don't care that the Euros have given up whatever rights they once had for socialism. That isn't my problem. My problem is to keep us from going too far down the Road to Serfdom. It is too late for the Euros.

rabbi, you are a great american.

Thank you.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Google the following: Executive Order #13524

"On Wednesday, however, for no apparent reason, President Obama issued an executive order removing the Reagan limitations. That is, Interpol’s property and assets are no longer subject to search and confiscation, and its archives are now considered inviolable. This international police force (whose U.S. headquarters is in the Justice Department in Washington) will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.

Why would we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files which, therefore, will be beyond the ability of Congress, American law-enforcement, the media, and the American people to scrutinize?"

Why Does Interpol Need Immunity from American Law? – Andy McCarthy – The Corner on National Review Online | North Houston Tea Party Patriots


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The President does not have the Power to protect them from Congress or the Courts. A little thing called separation of Powers applies. That he would try is interesting, where are all the looney leftoids to complain about executive orders and signings like they did under Bush?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Google the following: Executive Order #13524

"On Wednesday, however, for no apparent reason, President Obama issued an executive order removing the Reagan limitations. That is, Interpol&#8217;s property and assets are no longer subject to search and confiscation, and its archives are now considered inviolable. This international police force (whose U.S. headquarters is in the Justice Department in Washington) will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.

Why would we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files which, therefore, will be beyond the ability of Congress, American law-enforcement, the media, and the American people to scrutinize?"

Why Does Interpol Need Immunity from American Law? &#8211; Andy McCarthy &#8211; The Corner on National Review Online | North Houston Tea Party Patriots


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The President does not have the Power to protect them from Congress or the Courts. A little thing called separation of Powers applies. That he would try is interesting, where are all the looney leftoids to complain about executive orders and signings like they did under Bush?

you fuckers don't get that this is another level of hierarchy.

 

[Father Time]

Does anyone have a better source for this, for some reason I don't really trust it. If what this source says it's true, than it's absolutely abysmal. I really want to hear Obama's justification for this.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Does anyone have a better source for this, for some reason I don't really trust it. If what this source says it's true, than it's absolutely abysmal. I really want to hear Obama's justification for this.

obama definitely changed EDIT: the wording of the treaty via exec order. all the other shit is opinion. try to sift through this. i gave up.

EDIT:

it is not like interpol is a rogue organization that got granted immunity like blackwater , they are bound by law. all you whiners who cry about this should first try to understand what interpol actually is.

 

[Father Time]

Does anyone have a better source for this, for some reason I don't really trust it. If what this source says it's true, than it's absolutely abysmal. I really want to hear Obama's justification for this.

obama definitely changed EDIT: the wording of the treaty via exec order. all the other shit is opinion. try to sift through this. i gave up.

EDIT:

it is not like interpol is a rogue organization that got granted immunity like blackwater , they are bound by law. all you whiners who cry about this should first try to understand what interpol actually is.

I don't think granting international agencies immunity is something that should be taken lightly.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Does anyone have a better source for this, for some reason I don't really trust it. If what this source says it's true, than it's absolutely abysmal. I really want to hear Obama's justification for this.

obama definitely changed EDIT: the wording of the treaty via exec order. all the other shit is opinion. try to sift through this. i gave up.

EDIT:

it is not like interpol is a rogue organization that got granted immunity like blackwater , they are bound by law. all you whiners who cry about this should first try to understand what interpol actually is.

I don't think granting international agencies immunity is something that should be taken lightly.

it shouldn't. but it should also be known what kind of immunity is talked about. in this case it reads like passive immunity.

 

[Father Time]

obama definitely changed EDIT: the wording of the treaty via exec order. all the other shit is opinion. try to sift through this. i gave up.

EDIT:

it is not like interpol is a rogue organization that got granted immunity like blackwater , they are bound by law. all you whiners who cry about this should first try to understand what interpol actually is.

I don't think granting international agencies immunity is something that should be taken lightly.

it shouldn't. but it should also be known what kind of immunity is talked about. in this case it reads like passive immunity.

Which means what?

Sorry I don't know very much about these kinds of things.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

i now read the three exec. orders and the act in question. and parts of the interpol constitution. i should have done that before firing my cheap shots.

must find out the motivation for the amendments.

so you're changing your earlier stance?

pretty bizarre executive order huh....

i am taking a neutral stance right now. i am certainly not following the one world order pee stained bullshit. if bullshit can be pee stained, hm. i think it can, as seen in this thread, haha. and i am also still laughing at the sentiment i thought i detected, where american law should supersede international law via exemptions.

15 American Exceptionalism and International Human Rights - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

There is no such thing as International Law. Countries operate with each other via Treaties. And NO one should be able to operate inside the borders of another Country without obeying the laws of said Country.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Does anyone have a better source for this, for some reason I don't really trust it. If what this source says it's true, than it's absolutely abysmal. I really want to hear Obama's justification for this.

obama definitely changed EDIT: the wording of the treaty via exec order. all the other shit is opinion. try to sift through this. i gave up.

EDIT:

it is not like interpol is a rogue organization that got granted immunity like blackwater , they are bound by law. all you whiners who cry about this should first try to understand what interpol actually is.

A President does not have the Authority or the power to change Treaties after they have been ratified by the Senate. It would require a new treaty and a new ratification by the Senate.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Does anyone have a better source for this, for some reason I don't really trust it. If what this source says it's true, than it's absolutely abysmal. I really want to hear Obama's justification for this.

Executive Order -- Amending Executive Order 12425 | The White House

 

[PoliticalChic]

Does anyone have a better source for this, for some reason I don't really trust it. If what this source says it's true, than it's absolutely abysmal. I really want to hear Obama's justification for this.

Executive Order 13524 of December 16, 2009

Amending Executive Order 12425 Designating Interpol as a Public International Organization Entitled to Enjoy Certain Privileges, Exemptions, and Immunities


By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words ‘‘except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act’’ and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.
Executive Order 13524 - Wikisource

 

[PoliticalChic]

you're shitting me....you think international law is ABOVE american law in our own land? that we should subjugate our constitution to FOREIGN laws?

if you don't like the cooperation, leave interpol. no-one forces you to stay in, right? you can't reap the benefits and not cooperate at the same time.

Why not? Interpol doesn't like it, they can leave. They can kiss my American ass while they're at it.
I don't care that the Euros have given up whatever rights they once had for socialism. That isn't my problem. My problem is to keep us from going too far down the Road to Serfdom. It is too late for the Euros.

Is this INTERPOL order of a piece with:

1. "Perhaps in an effort to rehabilitate the United States’ image&#61473; in the Muslim world, the Obama administration has joined&#61473; a U.N. effort to restrict religious speech. This country should never sacrifice freedom of expression on the altar of religion."
Column: Just say no to blasphemy laws - Opinion - USATODAY.com

And

2."The folks at United Nations headquarters in New York City, and our “allies” at Number 10 Downing Street in London, must be rubbing their hands with glee. Gun control groups here and abroad likewise are at last quietly cheering. Why? After a decade and a half of pushing unsuccessfully to secure America’s support for a legally-binding, international instrument to regulate the marketing, transfer and brokering in firearms, they are now on the brink of success. The process of formally negotiating an Arms Trade Treaty (“ATT”) now has Washington’s seal of approval; announced October 14th by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton."
“Perfect Storm” For UN Gun Control Agenda | The Barr Code


How long before we are forbidden from using the words 'sovereignty' of 'Constitution'?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Does anyone have a better source for this, for some reason I don't really trust it. If what this source says it's true, than it's absolutely abysmal. I really want to hear Obama's justification for this.

obama definitely changed EDIT: the wording of the treaty via exec order. all the other shit is opinion. try to sift through this. i gave up.

EDIT:

it is not like interpol is a rogue organization that got granted immunity like blackwater , they are bound by law. all you whiners who cry about this should first try to understand what interpol actually is.

A President does not have the Authority or the power to change Treaties after they have been ratified by the Senate. It would require a new treaty and a new ratification by the Senate.

a president does have the authority to change the International Organizations Immunities Act. read it. it is stated in the first section. and repeated in all exec orders, starting with the one by reagan in 1983. you have clearly not tried to gain knowledge about this, but try to bullshit your way anyway. fuck <yawn> you.